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"Thanks Morris....yeah these are big crops and that probably is why the DOF covered both of them most of the time.
These ended up being ~ 4.25MPs out of the 24MPs I started with."

Thanks for posting Alan!

I think that says it all because the biggest challenge is keeping the birds in the viewfinder and next to that is AF spread, which is roughly 100% coverage, and it's speed of tracking. That's where the optical AF falls down and why I'm thinking R5. Shots I did of Redpolls fighting were about half the frame and close, and next to impossible to track and the 1DX2 couldn't refocus at 14 FPS. That's why I could almost be tempted by the 1DX3 but there are just too many negatives with it for me personally and I certainly won't be sacrificing hard to come by $$$ for it. If the R5 is good but expensive I will sacrifice $$$.

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You are speaking from the perspective of the 1DX2 that has just 61 focus points and not the best DSLRs for BIF. The D500 has 153 cross-type phase-detect focus points, covering most of the view (attached), like the D5, as well as better tracking algorithms, which is why BIF photographers favour them. The new 1DX3 has 155 cross-type focus points, which should greatly enhance it. As yet, the only EVF camera in the same league is the A9/A9II, despite the greater coverage of mirrorless. Not that I find using all the points necessary, and I am happy using my Canon gear with the central 9 points.

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You are right. In my mind I had sold it to get the 400 (promised the boss because I was also getting the 1DX2) but it took some time to unload it at a decent price. No regrets on that because of low useage (I actually never mounted it again after the 400 arrived). I didn't loose that much ... not like trying to sell a 1DX2. ;)

I wonder how many DO II there are out there? I do regret one thing - the closer focus of the 300 - I wish they'd but a close-up feature in all the telephotos for bugs.

Jack

Have either of you guys used the 400mm DO II with the 2X tele? Very curious about this setup. I could handle an 800mm with a small hit in aperature as the compromise.

It would still be faster than the upcoming peanut roll known as the 100-500 7.1...

The sad part is I'll probably end up buying that lens... I NEED REACH.
 

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Have either of you guys used the 400mm DO II with the 2X tele? Very curious about this setup. I could handle an 800mm with a small hit in aperature as the compromise.

It would still be faster than the upcoming peanut roll known as the 100-500 7.1...

The sad part is I'll probably end up buying that lens... I NEED REACH.
The 400mm DO II is fine with the 2xTC on a 1DX etc and 5DIII and 5DIV but the 5DSR doesn’t get the full advantage as the image degradation gets more noticeable with the higher resolution sensor.
 
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The 400mm DO II is fine with the 2xTC on a 1DX etc and 5DIII and 5DIV but the 5DSR doesn’t get the full advantage as the image degradation gets more noticeable with the higher resolution sensor.

Do you have any of your own personal examples of the 400 DO II with the 2X? Thanks for responding! Also - does the 2X kick it up to F8?
 

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Do you have any of your own personal examples of the 400 DO II with the 2X? Thanks for responding! Also - does the 2X kick it up to F8?
F4 X2 gives F8, which is a little darker than one would prefer but with the 1DX2 I've been able to boost shadows quite a bit. 800 can be a little challenging at times, say for BIF but the focus speed I get is quite good, the problem is FOV. Like Alan said we both had 300's as the best choice at the time and for me personally I hardly ever used 300. 99% of the time it was 600. My X1.4 had hardly any usefulness. Now both are useful but honestly 800 is the most used for me and certainly for song birds.

If, as I expect, I buy the R5, it's possible that it won't drive 400 X2 as well as the 1DX2 and may lack detail too so that may mean X1.4 becomes the go to, like Alan suggests. I chose 20 MP and 400 while Alan chose 30MP and 400. He has the resolution (including the 5DSR) while I have the FPS (and video). Most everyone would rather have both but you know how that goes. The 400 is a nice lens to handhold and I've carried it all day hiking with the 1DX2 and I'm 70 with moderate breathing issues.

There are times when a zoom would really be handy but generally you know in advance if you need 400, 560 or 800.

I might add that 800 with my 1DX2 definitely put me within reach of most birds that I see while sitting around quietly waiting, whereas 600 with my 6D left me always feeling a little shortchanged. One more thing, it seems I'm forever fighting with high ISOs so that's another reason I've appreciated the 1DX2. I practically never shoot at ISO 100 for example. I'm thrilled if I can get down to 1600 or 2000.

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F4 X2 gives F8, which is a little darker than one would prefer but with the 1DX2 I've been able to boost shadows quite a bit. 800 can be a little challenging at times, say for BIF but the focus speed I get is quite good, the problem is FOV. Like Alan said we both had 300's as the best choice at the time and for me personally I hardly ever used 300. 99% of the time it was 600. My X1.4 had hardly any usefulness. Now both are useful but honestly 800 is the most used for me and certainly for song birds.

If, as I expect, I buy the R5, it's possible that it won't drive 400 X2 as well as the 1DX2 and may lack detail too so that may mean X1.4 becomes the go to, like Alan suggests. I chose 20 MP and 400 while Alan chose 30MP and 400. He has the resolution (including the 5DSR) while I have the FPS (and video). Most everyone would rather have both but you know how that goes. The 400 is a nice lens to handhold and I've carried it all day hiking with the 1DX2 and I'm 70 with moderate breathing issues.

There are times when a zoom would really be handy but generally you know in advance if you need 400, 560 or 800.

I might add that 800 with my 1DX2 definitely put me within reach of most birds that I see while sitting around quietly waiting, whereas 600 with my 6D left me always feeling a little shortchanged. One more thing, it seems I'm forever fighting with high ISOs so that's another reason I've appreciated the 1DX2. I practically never shoot at ISO 100 for example. I'm thrilled if I can get down to 1600 or 2000.

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I live @ 560 F8 all day every day so that would be nothing new to me. I need reach and would love to have 800mm @ F8 over 500mm at 7.1 because adding a tele to 500mm already @ 7.1 wouldn't really be doable.

Up here in the Pacific Northwest high ISO is a way of life...

I would love to see a shot with the 400/2X combo for sharpness.
 
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In Costa Rica my daughter had my 70-200 X1.4 on the R so I was either 800 or 400 all the time and this is 800, ISO 5000, 1/640, F8, no noise reduction. With the 1DX2 sharpening to 4 in DPP is very tolerable. I have tons of 800 shots and just grabbed this one as it jumped out at me scanning through. Good, bad or indifferent, that's what I'm getting.

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I live @ 560 F8 all day every day so that would be nothing new to me. I need reach and would love to have 800mm @ F8 over 500mm at 7.1 because adding a tele to 500mm already @ 7.1 wouldn't really be doable.
Only rarely would you want 1000 anyway because of the challenge of finding the subject. It's an adjustment at 800 and in bushes for closer small birds sometimes I can't find them. ;)

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Only rarely would you want 1000 anyway because of the challenge of finding the subject. It's an adjustment at 800 and in bushes for closer small birds sometimes I can't find them. ;)

Jack

Naw - I'd be @ 700 in that case. I only own the 1.4X III currently but your point is certainly well taken.

I'd be happy to "struggle " with the 400 DO II. :)
 

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In Costa Rica my daughter had my 70-200 X1.4 on the R so I was either 800 or 400 all the time and this is 800, ISO 5000, 1/640, F8, no noise reduction. With the 1DX2 sharpening to 4 in DPP is very tolerable. I have tons of 800 shots and just grabbed this one as it jumped out at me scanning through. Good, bad or indifferent, that's what I'm getting.

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Looks very workable to me - given the circumstances and lack of PP. I find the 5D4 and the R to both be extremely forgiving in terms of noise - especially compared to the 7D2.
 

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Looks very workable to me - given the circumstances and lack of PP. I find the 5D4 and the R to both be extremely forgiving in terms of noise - especially compared to the 7D2.
Well, the reason some of us are FF and not crop is ISO capability but many seem to demonstrate that crop having the higher MPs can produce similar when resized. The only crops I've had - a Nikon D5100 and a Canon 40D briefly although I shot with a 1D2 and a 1D4 for a few months. I loved the 1D4 but it couldn't come close to my 6D for higher ISO. I have nothing but praise for my few years with the 6D but FPS was just too low.

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Hi everyone! I've been so busy with work, haven't posted much lately. I finally made the jump from 500 to 600! I purchased the EF 600 F4 ll !!! My only chances to get out though, are on the weekends, since I usually work from dark to dark. Lately, most photos have been in the BIF form, since the local landfill has produced excellent raptor photo ops. Here are a some photos from the few weeks, first couple times out with new lens. I will also post a few images in the BIF thread as well, since the majority have been that lately. I do have a 500 F4 just sitting around collecting dust now, haha.

Images taken with 7D mkll / EF 600 F4 ll / 1.4xlll (except Wild Turkey which was bare 600)

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What do you mean by " Also - does the 2X kick it up to F8"? A 2xTC converts an f/4 to f/8, but have I missed something. I have posted many examples in the past with the 5DIV + 2xTC + 400mm DO II. Here is a good review with lots of examples http://arihazeghiphotography.com/blog/one-year-with-ef-400-do-is-ii/

Yeah that's exactly what I meant Alan. I can't afford the 500mm F4 or 600mm F4, but I would consider the 400mm F4 DO and a 2X to get me out to 800mm. 560mm would come at 6.3 and then the native 400mm at F4. I would enjoy a lens like that. I've always liked the 400mm DO II for it's compact size and light weight.
 

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Yeah that's exactly what I meant Alan. I can't afford the 500mm F4 or 600mm F4, but I would consider the 400mm F4 DO and a 2X to get me out to 800mm. 560mm would come at 6.3 and then the native 400mm at F4. I would enjoy a lens like that. I've always liked the 400mm DO II for it's compact size and light weight.
Yes 800mm at f/8 and 560mm is as wide as f/5.6. That is a magpie.
 

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Nice one - is that a magpie?
I really had to laugh. Anyone who lives where these guys "rule" would probably laugh to. As a kid I'd climb poplar trees, sometimes as high as 30 -40 feet and reach into a nest and throw the eggs out. Not condoning just admitting. :) Once I brought a baby home with "pet" in mind but my father would have nothing to do with that idea!

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