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My preferred quick test is to put a stake in a lawn and focus on the base of the stake. If there are focus inaccuracies then the blades of grass give me a good idea of how far out it is.

I recall you saying you had tried micro-adjust. With the 7D1 I think the micro-adjust only works at one focal length on a zoom so if you adjust the long end it may through the short end out which may account for the variable response.
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I will try the stake on grass this weekend and see where I'm at with the focus this time. If the 7D just works on one focal length adjustment, that very well could be the problem. Thanks!
 
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Jack is right. When I test new lens or camera I use a little owl, see pictures. Here I was testing the lens sharpness on a new 100-400ii with extender on both the canon 5dmkiii and 7dmkii. My opinion both are extremely sharp.
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I want to upgrade to what you have but money is tight :-[
 
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Jack Douglas said:
I think Mikehit has offered a good plan. You need a dummy subject and to go through the process. If it were possible to bring a friend's camera/lenses into the picture that could be helpful (I did this comparative activity with a friend who had similar level Nikon gear (using tripod, same fixed subject) . I always add some sharpening that is lens specific using Canon DPP, which definitely is a subtle benefit.

Personally, it took me a long while to accept that my 300 F2.8 II was up to the level of sharpness of others who posted. Now I just enjoy it and accept it is what it is. My focus has shifted to aspects of composition that are within my grasp and not gear restricted. A group like we have visiting this thread tend to be pretty particular regarding their own photos but quite considerate of others.

It's more about having fun not fussing over gear. However, if a piece of gear has a problem that needs to be addressed it should be so I hope it works out for you.

Jack

+1 I am well on my way to this mode of thinking, Jack. I will just give it one more try with the group's recommendations on fixing the problem.
 
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AlanF said:
It's almost certainly not the 7D that is causing the soft images, it's the 100-400mm Mk 1 of which many copies are rubbish, although some are excellent.

The thing is I just can't pin the culprit. You could very well be right with the 100-400 Mk 1 though, but my gut feeling is it's the 7D. But I have been wrong several times before though.
 
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gje_b said:
Jack Douglas said:
gje_b said:
First newbie post! Couple of ospreys shot with 7D with 100-400mm. What's irks me is that I can't seem to take sharp pics like what the others have posted here. Been trying for some time now and have done adjustments upon adjustments on my shooting style and/or on the camera and lens based on numerous recommendations I read and I'm still not getting the sharpness.

I think we might all have ideas but you'll have to provide full information before anyone can really help sort out the possible issues.

Jack

Jack, I don't even know where to start as it seems like I am going in circles - from messing with AFMA to changing lenses to really watching the nuances of my shooting style, etc. I really am starting to think that it is the 7D.
Above all else, shoot in RAW format.... that and learning how to use photoshop or lightroom will do more for you photography than any camera or lens will....

try some experiments with IS on and off, with changing the shutter speed, and work on your stance to see what combination works best for you. We are all different and what works for one may not work for the other.... Personally, I find that my pictures are sharpest when I can lean the lens barrel against a tree....
 
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Here is the sharpest of my shots and it is in no way even close to the sharpness of the ones that the others have posted here. But I'll keep trying ;D. It is cropped from 18Mp down to 7Mp, iso 100, 1/400 sec, f7.1, 400mm.
 

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Don Haines said:
gje_b said:
Jack Douglas said:
gje_b said:
First newbie post! Couple of ospreys shot with 7D with 100-400mm. What's irks me is that I can't seem to take sharp pics like what the others have posted here. Been trying for some time now and have done adjustments upon adjustments on my shooting style and/or on the camera and lens based on numerous recommendations I read and I'm still not getting the sharpness.

I think we might all have ideas but you'll have to provide full information before anyone can really help sort out the possible issues.

Jack

Jack, I don't even know where to start as it seems like I am going in circles - from messing with AFMA to changing lenses to really watching the nuances of my shooting style, etc. I really am starting to think that it is the 7D.
Above all else, shoot in RAW format.... that and learning how to use photoshop or lightroom will do more for you photography than any camera or lens will....

try some experiments with IS on and off, with changing the shutter speed, and work on your stance to see what combination works best for you. We are all different and what works for one may not work for the other.... Personally, I find that my pictures are sharpest when I can lean the lens barrel against a tree....

+1 I only have LR and what's funny is that when I revisit the ones I have edited after a day or two, they all look wrong. I will be keep your tips in mind when the next opportunity comes. Thanks!
 
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I was looking at the local osprey pair today....

These shots are with a 7D2 and the Tamron 150-600 at 600mm. They are shot at ISO320 and an 800th of a second. Normally I would have gone for a higher shutter speed, but I was resting the lens barrel against an antenna support on the roof, which GREATLY! helps stability. (The rule of thumb for crop cameras is to shoot with the shutter speed at twice the focal length)

One of the things you need to do is experiment with the lens you are using to find out where the lens is sharp and where it is not.... on this lens, shooting at F6.3 and 600mm is very soft. At F8 it is ok, best at F9.2, and then starts getting soft again after F11.... You will have to play with your lens to see how it performs.....

The four pictures below are about at the limit of what my gear can do... two pictures are the entire frame to show you the size of the target, and then the crops of the target to show detail. Unfortunately, to do significantly better, I either need a $15,000 600F4 lens or to get closer to the osprey.... The bird is perched on a 140 foot high antenna and the nest is on a 90 foot pole so getting closer isn't going to happen.
 

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Don Haines said:
I was looking at the local osprey pair today....

These shots are with a 7D2 and the Tamron 150-600 at 600mm. They are shot at ISO320 and an 800th of a second. Normally I would have gone for a higher shutter speed, but I was resting the lens barrel against an antenna support on the roof, which GREATLY! helps stability. (The rule of thumb for crop cameras is to shoot with the shutter speed at twice the focal length)

One of the things you need to do is experiment with the lens you are using to find out where the lens is sharp and where it is not.... on this lens, shooting at F6.3 and 600mm is very soft. At F8 it is ok, best at F9.2, and then starts getting soft again after F11.... You will have to play with your lens to see how it performs.....

The four pictures below are about at the limit of what my gear can do... two pictures are the entire frame to show you the size of the target, and then the crops of the target to show detail. Unfortunately, to do significantly better, I either need a $15,000 600F4 lens or to get closer to the osprey.... The bird is perched on a 140 foot high antenna and the nest is on a 90 foot pole so getting closer isn't going to happen.

Thanks for the tips. I may have had the chance to rest the lens barrel on something rigid but it never crossed my mind. I will try and remember next time. A lot of my shots from about the same distance to the one you just posted cannot compare. Mine just loses the details. But I will review them and note the settings on the sharpest ones. Thanks again. I really appreciate it.
 
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gje_b said:
Don Haines said:
I was looking at the local osprey pair today....

These shots are with a 7D2 and the Tamron 150-600 at 600mm. They are shot at ISO320 and an 800th of a second. Normally I would have gone for a higher shutter speed, but I was resting the lens barrel against an antenna support on the roof, which GREATLY! helps stability. (The rule of thumb for crop cameras is to shoot with the shutter speed at twice the focal length)

One of the things you need to do is experiment with the lens you are using to find out where the lens is sharp and where it is not.... on this lens, shooting at F6.3 and 600mm is very soft. At F8 it is ok, best at F9.2, and then starts getting soft again after F11.... You will have to play with your lens to see how it performs.....

The four pictures below are about at the limit of what my gear can do... two pictures are the entire frame to show you the size of the target, and then the crops of the target to show detail. Unfortunately, to do significantly better, I either need a $15,000 600F4 lens or to get closer to the osprey.... The bird is perched on a 140 foot high antenna and the nest is on a 90 foot pole so getting closer isn't going to happen.

Thanks for the tips. I may have had the chance to rest the lens barrel on something rigid but it never crossed my mind. I will try and remember next time. A lot of my shots from about the same distance to the one you just posted cannot compare. Mine just loses the details. But I will review them and note the settings on the sharpest ones. Thanks again. I really appreciate it.
Are the camera and/or lens on warranty? Why not coming to a photo store and try another telephoto lens on the body?

In terms of shooting technique, 400x1.6 crop = 560. You may want to shoot at 1/800. To get that speed in your osprey shot, you have to raise ISO to 200, which is pretty standard for this camera. Canon 7D shows very good results with ISO up to 400 in good light.

Are you shooting with IS on or off? Is the distance set correctly on the lens?
 
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Very nice photos everyone. I haven't had a chance to post anything lately, too busy taking pictures. I did finally get a chance to go through the 25k photos I've taken the last two months. Taken with 7D mkii / EF500 f4 / 1.4xiii, cropped to frame the bird.
 

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