Some EOS 5D Mark IV Information [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

A report over at Northlight mentions testing of the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is still a mix between 18 and 24MP. 24MP is the likely final outcome, with the lower MP sensor testing AF speed and buffer management issues (less than 8FPS is the likely shooting speed).</p></blockquote>
<p>We’ve heard recently that the camera is coming in 2016, with shipping of the C300 Mark II and EOS-1D X Mark II to happen before the EOS 5D Mark IV. There’s a lot of R&D dollars going into the 5D4 project, with the hopes of launching a product that is perceived to be a big jump in features and performance over the more-than-capable EOS 5D Mark III.</p>

 

[PureClassA]

Agree 100% with Keith's assessment and what Ive been saying all along. Everyone getting all bent out of shape over this 18MP sensor rumor, when all it is there for right now is to test other parts of the camera. Canon hasn't made the FF version of 24MP sensor from the t6 yet, and we can bet we'll see it in the 5D4. The real question is do we see DPAF in this one and will it use the sensor tech from the C300 II with the 15syops of DR everyone has been waiting for

 

[ahsanford]

A report over at Northlight mentions testing of the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is still a mix between 18 and 24MP. 24MP is the likely final outcome, with the lower MP sensor testing AF speed and buffer management issues (less than 8FPS is the likely shooting speed).</p></blockquote>
<p>We’ve heard recently that the camera is coming in 2016, with shipping of the C300 Mark II and EOS-1D X Mark II to happen before the EOS 5D Mark IV. There’s a lot of R&D dollars going into the 5D4 project, with the hopes of launching a product that is perceived to be a big jump in features and performance over the more-than-capable EOS 5D Mark III.</p>

We did not expect the 5D4 to be a high resolution monster, but again only a very modest bump in MP would have us expecting something else on the body to be much much better.

I've passed on the 5DS rigs in favor of what I hope will be a better high ISO rig in the 5D4. I don't shoot video, I don't need 8-10 fps, but I'll always welcome:

• Wider AF spread, more AF points, more AF options, etc. -- I'm hopeful this is going to happen as the 1DX II will apparently beat it to market and the 5D3 has the 1DX's basic system. Perhaps the 5D4 will clone the 1DX II's system in a similar way?
• Better high ISO performance
• A better / slicker / easier form of AFMA -- perhaps something realtime interactive with an external monitor, or something that auto-shoots 20 shots at each AFMA interval (like for printer calibration) and you just choose the best one.
• Wireless flash master on-board (not expecting this, but hey, it'd be nice)
• The option to change out to manual focusing screens
• Spot metering at any AF point (at this point, I'm just repeating myself so Canon will notice.)
• The viewfinder improvements we've seen with the 7D2 and 5DS bodies.

But I have a feeling the offering of the 5DS rigs was what (as a stills shooter) I was supposed to get, and that the 5D4 will be overwhelmingly video focused. In other words, now that the 5DS is out, the door is open for the 5D4 to be more specialized for video. I don't want to pony up $3.5k+ for a video rig that also takes decent stills.

- A

 

[bvukich]

• Spot metering at any AF point (at this point, I'm just repeating myself so Canon will notice.)

It may sound trivial, but this is the one feature that will probably decide between a 5d4 and 1dx2 for me.

 

[ahsanford]

• Spot metering at any AF point (at this point, I'm just repeating myself so Canon will notice.)

It may sound trivial, but this is the one feature that will probably decide between a 5d4 and 1dx2 for me.

It's not trivial, and that's exactly why they do it. If you're on the fence over this feature and you have the 1DX kind of money to spend on a rig, they've got you.

Apparently, you can enable this on your 5D3 (and a few other bodies) with Magic Lantern, but I've been leery of brickification of my primary rig.

- A

 

[PureClassA]

Expect the 5D4 to have the same AF as the 7D2. 65 points spread across the frame. The 1DX2 will have a new system all to itself

 

[ahsanford]

Expect the 5D4 to have the same AF as the 7D2. 65 points spread across the frame. The 1DX2 will have a new system all to itself

Given the FOV differences, I don't believe Canon clones AF systems from crop to FF or vice versa.

For instance, the 5DS rigs didn't get the latest/greatest 7D2 AF setup -- they got the 5D3 setup. I'm expecting the 1DX II to offer something newer / better, and *eventually* (perhaps not with the 5D4) it will trickle down to the other FF rigs. As I'm possibly in a buying cycle in a year or two, I'm hoping the 5D4 does indeed get the good stuff this time around.

- A

 

[CinemaDP]

I shoot for network TV and we have a 4K pilot for TBS and need a small camera to the main cameras. I have been using a Canon 5d mark 3 and prior to that a Canon 5d Mark 2. My footage is being used by all networks and aired all over the world in reruns and prime time. I am waiting for the Canon 5d Mark iv but at this point I am going with the Sony A7rII because they are delivering August 10 2015. Why does Canon drop the ball on the Canon 5D Mark 4 can only be they don't want to compete with their own C cameras. I am not spending $15,000. on a C300 mark 2 for a crash camera and the MX10 is to low quality of a sensor.

Sony has the F5 and F55 and they are releasing in a viable crash camera in a month. Canon if you are looking please wake up. You created the industry with the 5D Mark 2 but now are slow, scared and losing me to Sony who I hate for their lack of customer services and support.

 

[Travler]

There was a rumor on another sight that said the Mark IV would have the same new focus system as the 1DX II. It is to cover more area more cross type and the red highlight to come back. I hope this is all true. Was thinking about the 5DS/R but really don't need that many MP. I will wait to see how this one plays out.

 

[candyman]

All good and well...but please (and I am repeating myself : ) give us EC in Manual Mode when using auto ISO. Preferable with firmware update in 5D MK3

 

[ahsanford]

If curious, here is Bryan Carnathan's list of advantages that the 1DX has over the 5D3 today (as a semi-potential wishlist for a 5D4):

Canon EOS 1D X Feature Advantages Over the EOS 5D Mark III

More advanced metering system (100k pixel, 252 zone RGB vs 63 zone iFCL)
EOS iTR AF (Intelligent Tracking and Recognition AF including facial recognition)
Frame rate is 2x faster (12 fps vs. 6 fps)
Higher frame burst rating (RAW: 38 vs. 18 rated / 54 vs. 33 tested)
AF point-linked spot metering and Multi-spot metering
Faster AF driven by more powerful battery pack (with select Canon L lenses)
EV 0-20 Metering range (vs. EV 1-20)
Higher native ISO settings available (51200 vs. 25600)
Higher expanded ISO settings available (204800 vs. 102400)
Less high ISO noise
Faster X-sync speed (1/250 vs. 1/200)
Dual DIGIC 5+ processors plus DIGIC 4 processor dedicated to AE functions
(5D III has a single DIGIC 5+ processor and a non-specified AF-dedicated processor)
Higher battery life rating (1,120 vs. 950 shots)
Higher shutter durability rating (400,000 vs. 150,000 cycles)
Higher viewfinder magnification (.76x vs .71x)
Shorter viewfinder blackout time
Viewfinder provides more nose relief from LCD (less nose spots on LCD)
Has a viewfinder shutter
Built-in Ethernet Port
More advanced self-cleaning sensor
Better Weather Sealing
Built in vertical grip
Accepts optional focus screens
7 LCD brightness levels (vs. 3)
More custom functions (31 vs. 13)

I'm not a camera body scholar, but one would think:

Red = Some delta between the brands must exist on these points. They allow the 1D to pull off what it's mission is (let's say crazy high burst/buffer) or support the realities those missions bring about (shutter life, battery life, processing power, etc). I would argue the 1D will always have/need to have something above and beyond the 5D on these metrics, so we shouldn't expect the 5D4 to get 1D level performance there.

Blue = (at least to me) Sillyness for market differentiation only -- no reason Canon can't offer this in a 5D4 other than for protecting the 1D price.

Green = sensor-related and there more a matter of release timing than 1D vs. 5D performance levels. It stands to a reason that (eventually) the 5D line will outperform an aging 1D sensor.

But I'm curious to see what you folks think might be 1D-level features that the 5D4 could reasonably get.

- A

 

[RGF]

I am hoping that 5D M4 improves on the current camera in all aspects. A decrease in MP for improvement in ISO is not a trade off I would favorite.

I would like to see 16 MP camera with very good low light response.

 

[ahsanford]

I am hoping that 5D M4 improves on the current camera in all aspects. A decrease in MP for improvement in ISO is not a trade off I would favorite.

I would like to see 16 MP camera with very good low light response.

I'd love such a body, but I am hard pressed to think of an example where a nex-gen of a mature brand lowered its MP.

If Canon is going to make a low MP / high ISO a7S-like sensor for filming bigfoot under nothing but moonlight, I don't think it will be called a 5D4. They'd surely give it a new name, right?

- A

 

[Policar]

I want an AR7RII for landscape and as a b cam for video. But I also want super low light performance.

And an A7S for low light videography. But I also want to print 11X17 at 300dpi without upscaling.

I also want a legit SLR because I far prefer an optical viewfinder, ideally with great dynamic range. Maybe a D810.

The best in each of those three categories is definitely not a Canon, but if a Canon is 80% of all of those things then I have to buy one camera and not three.

If Canon introduces the C300 MK II's dual ISO thing on this and the low light is competitive with Sony (the 5D Mark III is nowhere close) I'm all in.

Otherwise getting a used A7S or an A7S Mk II.

 

[rs]

All good and well...but please (and I am repeating myself : ) give us EC in Manual Mode when using auto ISO. Preferable with firmware update in 5D MK3

The 7D2 and 5Ds/5DsR got that feature, so the 5D4 is very likely to get it.

 

[LonelyBoy]

I'd love such a body, but I am hard pressed to think of an example where a nex-gen of a mature brand lowered its MP.

If Canon is going to make a low MP / high ISO a7S-like sensor for filming bigfoot under nothing but moonlight, I don't think it will be called a 5D4. They'd surely give it a new name, right?

- A

Isn't there a rumored 5Dcinema hanging out here?

 

[rs]

I'd love such a body, but I am hard pressed to think of an example where a nex-gen of a mature brand lowered its MP.

If Canon is going to make a low MP / high ISO a7S-like sensor for filming bigfoot under nothing but moonlight, I don't think it will be called a 5D4. They'd surely give it a new name, right?

- A

Isn't there a rumored 5Dcinema hanging out here?

Those 5D C specs sounded like a rehash of the 1D C to me. 18MP, 4K, 12fps.

 

[RGF]

I am hoping that 5D M4 improves on the current camera in all aspects. A decrease in MP for improvement in ISO is not a trade off I would favorite.

I would like to see 16 MP camera with very good low light response.

I'd love such a body, but I am hard pressed to think of an example where a nex-gen of a mature brand lowered its MP.

If Canon is going to make a low MP / high ISO a7S-like sensor for filming bigfoot under nothing but moonlight, I don't think it will be called a 5D4. They'd surely give it a new name, right?

- A

Could call it 5DU (ultra) or 5DH (high) sensitivity. Extend the 5D line into high MP, high light sensitivity and normal.

Just a thought

 

[RGF]

If the megapixel count is that low on the mkiv I feel like they have to come with native iso 32 or at least iso 64 and much better dynamic range. Actually the dynamic range has to be better then any other dslr on the market.

Improved but not necessarily market leader

 

[ahsanford]

If the megapixel count is that low on the mkiv I feel like they have to come with native iso 32 or at least iso 64 and much better dynamic range. Actually the dynamic range has to be better then any other dslr on the market.

Sure, but who wants industry best low-ISO DR at a low MP? Landscapers want detail, right?

I think if you make a low MP rig, it's principally for high ISO use and for video. The a7S was dead on for that.

- A