Some EOS 5D Mark IV Information [CR1]

[Light_Pilgrim]

So in this case, is there anything Canon can offer in the next 12-18 months to professional landscape photographers looking for more DR? Anything similar to D810 coming?

 

[StudentOfLight]

I am hoping that 5D M4 improves on the current camera in all aspects. A decrease in MP for improvement in ISO is not a trade off I would favorite.

I would like to see 16 MP camera with very good low light response.

I'd love such a body, but I am hard pressed to think of an example where a nex-gen of a mature brand lowered its MP.

If Canon is going to make a low MP / high ISO a7S-like sensor for filming bigfoot under nothing but moonlight, I don't think it will be called a 5D4. They'd surely give it a new name, right?

- A

With wider aspect ratio screens becoming more popular, I wonder if Canon will offer video in:
21x9 UW-TV 4K (5120x2160) or
19x10 DCI 4K (4096x2160) instead of
16x9 UHD 4K (3840x2160) which all the competitors are offering.

In terms of 18MP... 5120x2160 would be a letterbox crop of 17.5MP full frame sensor. The same sensor could also shoot in APS-H crop mode to get UHD 4K as does the 1D-C.

I'd also like to see Quad-HD (2560x1440) as an intermediate resolution for video. if you need to deliver 1080p, then QHD would still allow you some cropping and/or downscaling potential while halving the memory-card requirements of full-4K capture. Does anyone think the 5D-IV will shoot 720p at faster than 60fps?

IMO a hypothetical 18MP sensor (5192x3460) could tick many boxes:
1) Can capture enough detail for excellent quality A3 prints,
2) Has sufficient sensor resolution for class-leading 4K capture,
3) Has advantages for high-ISO dynamic range,
4) images require less memory card space
5) Has potential for excellent buffer performance,
6) Offers efficiency with less data processing for output (Lower heat buildup maybe?)
7) Improved battery performance (Potentially more shots per charge?)

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Canon taking their sweet time.. It looks like they're trying to see how many customers they can lose to Sony this year.

 

[davidcl0nel]

For the top display, an eInk would be nice.
Then ist would be much more versatile and can offer different modes. Maybe also a small Histogramm, 200 dpi on this small display are sufficient for that...

The read color display should get 1920x1280 (3:2) at least! The current resolution is sooo 2003.

 

[drjlo]

We’ve heard recently that the camera is coming in 2016, with shipping of the C300 Mark II and EOS-1D X Mark II to happen before the EOS 5D Mark IV. There’s a lot of R&D dollars going into the 5D4 project

I am praying that late launch and "a lot of R&D dollars" means something truly fabulous for 5D IV. Otherwise, Canon will look kind of silly launching business-as-usual camera long after the launch of something like Sony A7r II with the 42 MP BSI FF sensor.

"Fabulous" would include (but not limited to): move away from the ancient 0.50µm fab process, improve the read-noise by moving the off-chip ADC to on-chip, Foveon-like sensor, BSI full frame, etc, etc.

 

[Ivar]

C'mon guys, Canon is a great system, there is no need for big departures of what it already has.

Just tweak little bit here and there and in the next year that is all what is needed.

 

[RobertG.]

24MP doesn't sound very convincing to me. If the sensor performs like the one in the 5D III, the cam is dead on arrival for me. Why not stick that 42MP Sony sensor into a 5D? It would justify a lot of R&D money. Make it 6FPS, proper AF, AE linked to AF points and all the other little things needed to make it slightly better than the Sony A7rII. Just offer the best sensor with the best AF in a 5D housing with the best weather sealing, dual card slots and longest battery life. I wouldn't mind if they limit the video features to protect their cinema line.

 

[unfocused]

Since the 5DIII is the best all-around camera available today, any improvement will just be gravy. Candidly, I doubt if I will even consider an upgrade until a year or two after the 5DIV surfaces.

Honestly, if you own the 5DIII and truly use it, I can't imagine expecting anything other than incremental improvements.

I am expecting:

A 1/3 to 1/2 stop improvement in high ISO performance;
1Dx autofocus;
A small increase in frame rate;
Additional weathersealing;
22-24 mp sensor;
Dual Pixel Autofocus;

Additional gravy would be:
Touch Screen;
4K recording;
Useable WiFi;
On camera flash transmitter.

Don't really give a rat's rear about dynamic range.

 

[douglaurent]

The 5DsR has been the last of 10+ Canon bodies I ever bought, unless the 5D4 delivers most of these points other manufacturers have already addressed: 4K video, slowmo video, swivel screen, focus peaking, more dynamic range, less noise, internal stabilization, being mirrorless, 36-50 megapixels resolution. Then I might buy 2-3 units, otherwise the money continues to go to Sony, Pentax, Panasonic and Nikon. Canon has the best lens lineup and quality, but in terms of cameras the status is disappointing.

 

[PureClassA]

I was throwing that out there semi-sarcastically. Otherwise I don't see where else Canon has to go. There's plenty enough room to make a 7-8FPS 24MP 14-15 stop DR camera with a killer 1DX2 over it with 24-28MP at 12-14FPS and the most obscene AF system ever conceived that will be coveted by sports and journalist shooters the world over just as the 1DX is now.

The real question is do we see DPAF in this one and will it use the sensor tech from the C300 II with the 15syops of DR everyone has been waiting for

If it didn't then where would be the big jump in features and performance if it is 24MP (basically the same as the 5D3), less than 8fps (so maybe 1 fps more than the 5D3)?

A full 8fps at 24MP should be utterly trivial by 2016 (5D3 already gives 6fps at 23MP using just a single, older DIGIC) and I mean even 5Ds drives 250MB/s, so it all sounds odd (unless it uses the dual read which maybe somehow stresses the sensor 2x and gives them 2x speed and heat penalty compared to what can be done with a newer fab).

They are sounding more and more stuck by their conservative mindset and either not willing or able to spend before to upgrade manufacturing ability.

 

[KanonKaz]

As a working photojournalist, I'm mainly interested in two things that my 5D Mark III doesn't have:

Shoot at a high frame rate. 7-8 FPS is not fast enough for sports and news in my opinion. I was under the impression that this camera would come with at least 10 FPS. PLEASE DON'T MESS THIS UP CANON.

And....The variable crop sensor at Full, 1.3X and 1.6X. Important to have various lengths when shooting sports, and news as well.

I also have a Canon Mark IV. With the two cameras I do have, I'm close to that range. But each camera is lacking. A new camera combining all those features is optimum. Hopefully they aren't thinking of less than 8 FPS. That would be useless in many aspects of what I do as is my 5D Mark III.

 

[ahsanford]

As a working photojournalist, I'm mainly interested in two things that my 5D Mark III doesn't have:

Shoot at a high frame rate. 7-8 FPS is not fast enough for sports and news in my opinion. I was under the impression that this camera would come with at least 10 FPS. PLEASE DON'T MESS THIS UP CANON.

And....The variable crop sensor at Full, 1.3X and 1.6X. Important to have various lengths when shooting sports, and news as well.

I also have a Canon Mark IV. With the two cameras I do have, I'm close to that range. But each camera is lacking. A new camera combining all those features is optimum. Hopefully they aren't thinking of less than 8 FPS. That would be useless in many aspects of what I do as is my 5D Mark III.

I see the 5D3 as that stellar 9/10 in most categories professional camera that can take on myriad roles, but it does not hit any one of those metrics out of the park.

So when the world thinks of Canon 5D brand, covering sports is not on that list. I would not expect 10 FPS with the 5D4, not at all. You can shoot sports with it, but YMMV with that (relatively) limited buffer and burst rate.

10+ fps cameras have been relegated to the non-studio 1D and 1DX lines and now the 7D2 as it is clearly a tool for birding and wildlife. Canon could turn 10+ fps on with the 5D4, but at an expected $3500-4000 price point, I think that would undercut 1DX (and 1DX II) sales.

There are a few things that define the 1DX line today, and I don't see the 5D line ever having them:

10+ fps
Integral grip
Dedicated metering processor
Linked metering to selected AF point (<---- I really want this on the 5D4)
Something about the battery power giving an AF speed boost with certain lenses (someone straighten me out, I'm fuzzy on this one)

I just feel that Canon putting some of these 'top of Mt. Olympus' sort of features on a 5D would make it very hard to get $6-8k for a 1DX II someday. My guess is that we'll see a clear fps bump with the 5D4 over the 5DS, perhaps at 7-8 fps. No more.

- A

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

As a working photojournalist, I'm mainly interested in two things that my 5D Mark III doesn't have:

Shoot at a high frame rate. 7-8 FPS is not fast enough for sports and news in my opinion. I was under the impression that this camera would come with at least 10 FPS. PLEASE DON'T MESS THIS UP CANON.

And....The variable crop sensor at Full, 1.3X and 1.6X. Important to have various lengths when shooting sports, and news as well.

I also have a Canon Mark IV. With the two cameras I do have, I'm close to that range. But each camera is lacking. A new camera combining all those features is optimum. Hopefully they aren't thinking of less than 8 FPS. That would be useless in many aspects of what I do as is my 5D Mark III.

Those who need at least 10 photos per second, should buy 1D series cameras, or its poor cousin 7D Mark II.

There is no market reason for a 5D camera series to 10 photos per second.

 

[PureClassA]

Then buy a 1DX right now for $4000 or so. On the other hand, I'd love a Ferrari for a Lexus price.... If you are a professional in news and especially sports, with all due respect, you should already know better.

As a working photojournalist, I'm mainly interested in two things that my 5D Mark III doesn't have:

Shoot at a high frame rate. 7-8 FPS is not fast enough for sports and news in my opinion. I was under the impression that this camera would come with at least 10 FPS. PLEASE DON'T MESS THIS UP CANON.

And....The variable crop sensor at Full, 1.3X and 1.6X. Important to have various lengths when shooting sports, and news as well.

I also have a Canon Mark IV. With the two cameras I do have, I'm close to that range. But each camera is lacking. A new camera combining all those features is optimum. Hopefully they aren't thinking of less than 8 FPS. That would be useless in many aspects of what I do as is my 5D Mark III.

 

[KanonKaz]

Do you guys know what most news photographers make? And what most freelance news photographers make? $7K is NOT an option. And most will not buy that. Nor will most newspapers fork over that kind of money for their staff when newspapers are barely hanging on.

7D Mark II does not have a variable crop sensor. 1.6X is limited comparatively. First gen 1DX does not have a variable crop sensor either. The SD Mark IV could answer both of those issues. And it was reported on here that it would come with a 10 FPS drive.When you're on a limited budget, these are very real concerns.

Canon has been getting smoked in the PJ market for the last few years now and there are obvious reasons why. Yes, I realize that market is small, but it's the market that changed things for Canon years ago when their autofocus was infinitely faster than anything Nikon came up with.

 

[eninja]

All good and well...but please (and I am repeating myself : ) give us EC in Manual Mode when using auto ISO. Preferable with firmware update in 5D MK3

The 7D2 and 5Ds/5DsR got that feature, so the 5D4 is very likely to get it.

Correct me if I am really really wrong.. I find that a lot of people don't understand this feature.

In Manual mode for 6D (also 5Diii), you can not set exposure compensation - that is, when set to Auto ISO - the camera will register ISO to produce standard exposure, meaning, metering = 0.

The desired feature is the ability to set EC to +1 for instance, so that while in Auto ISO, ISO is set such that metering is +1, which is not available on 6D (also 5Diii)

Just sharing.

 

[LonelyBoy]

7D Mark II does not have a variable crop sensor. 1.6X is limited comparatively. First gen 1DX does not have a variable crop sensor either. The SD Mark IV could answer both of those issues. And it was reported on here that it would come with a 10 FPS drive.When you're on a limited budget, these are very real concerns.

What exactly do you expect "variable crop" to do? It auto-crops pixels away for you. It "changes your view" as much as you can in post. It will not put more pixels on a smaller target. I really don't understand the appeal.

 

[ahsanford]

7D Mark II does not have a variable crop sensor. 1.6X is limited comparatively. First gen 1DX does not have a variable crop sensor either. The SD Mark IV could answer both of those issues. And it was reported on here that it would come with a 10 FPS drive.When you're on a limited budget, these are very real concerns.

What exactly do you expect "variable crop" to do? It auto-crops pixels away for you. It "changes your view" as much as you can in post. It will not put more pixels on a smaller target. I really don't understand the appeal.

We understand a crop mode is not a teleconverter -- you gain no detail, agree.

But for Nikon, it keeps your file size down and boosts your FPS. That's a nice option, isn't it?

- A

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

24MP doesn't sound very convincing to me. If the sensor performs like the one in the 5D III, the cam is dead on arrival for me. Why not stick that 42MP Sony sensor into a 5D? It would justify a lot of R&D money. Make it 6FPS, proper AF, AE linked to AF points and all the other little things needed to make it slightly better than the Sony A7rII. Just offer the best sensor with the best AF in a 5D housing with the best weather sealing, dual card slots and longest battery life. I wouldn't mind if they limit the video features to protect their cinema line.

A7R II sensor and video in a 5D3 would be hecka awesome

 

[davidmurray]

A report over at Northlight mentions testing of the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is still a mix between 18 and 24MP. 24MP is the likely final outcome, with the lower MP sensor testing AF speed and buffer management issues (less than 8FPS is the likely shooting speed).</p></blockquote>
<p>We’ve heard recently that the camera is coming in 2016, with shipping of the C300 Mark II and EOS-1D X Mark II to happen before the EOS 5D Mark IV. There’s a lot of R&D dollars going into the 5D4 project, with the hopes of launching a product that is perceived to be a big jump in features and performance over the more-than-capable EOS 5D Mark III.</p>

Very happy with this report - assuming that 24MP is the way it's going. 8FPS is also good.

The big questions are:
+ what is the sensor noise going to be like,
+ what will the maximum high ISO that can result in professionally acceptable photographs, and
+ will auto focus work with F11 (i.e. with a slower big white and a 2x extender)?