The Canon EOS 6D Mark II Mentioned [CR1]

[Ladislav]

I love my 6D. What I really don't expect from the next version is to be smaller. The current body is the same size like XXD crop cameras. If Canon changes the size and the battery of 6DII it will most probably take effect on the whole enthusiast segment - next XXD included. Creating a new battery type for just one body does not make sense. What really scares me is decreasing capacity of the battery and getting it closer to batteries used in XXXD cameras.

What I really expect from the next gen 6D is improvement in auto focus. I don't expect to compete with 5DIII or 7DII but having something like 70D is a must. I only use excellent center point on my 6D. All other points are mostly useless - focusing on them is very slow and often unreliable. Even my previous 650D had 9 cross type focus points, that's 8 more than 6D!

 

[Ivan Muller]

All the 6D needs imo only of course, is an AF joystick plus more cross AF points - ala 70D or something like that (even the 760 now has those) and 24mp will be welcome - if Canon can keep the noise down on the higher iso's.

A touch screen will be pretty cool too...and how about a custom lcd hood to make daylight focusing easier..

Keep the Wifi & GPS...I don't know what I will do without it...so NFC will be a nice too

Centre AF capabilities down to -3 EV is very nice...so why not down to -4??? - just because you can!

Please dont make the battery smaller, lets keep it the same all across the range..ie 5d2/3, S & R

Doesn't really have to be smaller but if they can do it without compromising the ergonomics, well that will be ok.

 

[Takingshots]

Keep it simple lol if CANon can do it ! >

Just like 5D MKIII , but smaller body,
Can be adjusted by -5 to +5 EV in increments of 1/3 or 1/2 EV in P, S, A, M, SCENE, night vision modes , Articulating screen.
High iso with strong auto focus performance

 

[The Flasher]

Why this obsession with dual card slots on the 6D Mk II in order to make it "pro". Didn't the 5D Mk II only have a single slot? Seems like it was used successfully by a few pros including a handful of wedding photographers.

Jarrod

So true. Btw. I use SanDisk cards and never ever had any problems. Anyone here that had problems with SanDisk in particular? I don't need dual slot on a 6D.

Too many reasons for dual slots to list here, but I've been shooting long enough to know that it's not if but when cards fail. The 6d is used by pros for its low light performance, light eight, and for me the wifi - huge asset when shooting on location with the client reviewing images as we go on the tablet, without having to transfer to laptop or having to shoot tethered. .. At least not every 15 minutes. . A dual slot is liability prevention on projects where a loss of images could spell financial losses due to reshoots etc.

I'd like to see this model upgraded to the same level and feature set as Nikon's d750, including the articulating screen.

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

And of all the things to fail, I wouldn't have thought the card/slot is the most likely. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had a problem with that.

Cards fail. They've gotten much better it they still fail. Sometimes it's a single file that goes corrupt, and as luck would have it it's the shot you wanted.

I originally bought the 6D as a backup body to my 5d3 and 1ds3, ended up using it as my main camera on most jobs due to the wifi work flow I described. I also use an a7r on certain work, but the wifi in that camera does not offer the same options

 

[LonelyBoy]

Cards fail. They've gotten much better it they still fail. Sometimes it's a single file that goes corrupt, and as luck would have it it's the shot you wanted.

I originally bought the 6D as a backup body to my 5d3 and 1ds3, ended up using it as my main camera on most jobs due to the wifi work flow I described. I also use an a7r on certain work, but the wifi in that camera does not offer the same options

Canon doesn't want to make the 6D a "pro" camera though. They want you to buy a 5D3/4/S/SR/whatever (or better yet, a 1DX) for that. They're not going to make a $2000 6D that has all the "pro" features so that no one buys the $3500 5D4 (numbers just guesses). No way. Don't get your hopes up that they will.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Sorry for interrupting the debate, guys. (-_-)/

Quick question from Japan:
Is "Articulating LCD" right way to call the system in U.S. (or any English-speaking countries) ?

In Japan, we call the 70D/Rebel type of screen "Vari-Angle LCD" and EOS M3 type "Tilt LCD".
Is there different name for each kind of flip-or-hinged-or-whatever-you-called LCDs?
Or you just call all of 'em "Articulating LCD" ?

Me and my friends are wondering when we read this 6DII article on CanonRumors.
I will appreciate if you guys give us some answers.

I don't think there is a specific distinction being used in the forum here. Articulated means that it has a pivot point (or pivot points).

The Caterpillar 740B is a completely different example of articulation in a mechanical design. The 740B is an articulated dump truck, this means there is a pivot point in the middle of the truck. (see below)

 

[Mr_Canuck]

That's one cool dump truck. But that hydraulic has to get in the way.

 

[Mr_Canuck]

The 6DII needs improved AF (which should be like falling off a log; not hard to improve upon). They should make it as small as possible; take everything they learned from the SL1 and apply it to full-frame. A good grip will still hold the same battery. It'll probably have "improved video shooting" and something else superfluous like increased resolution to show that it's a worthy upgrade. But what else do they need to change really? Oh yeah, a built in flash? Even for use as a trigger? That would be notable.

 

[K]

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

The issue is not with us, the consumer, for not upgrading to the 5D. It's with Canon, who holds back on inexpensive, simple features that can make a huge difference.

What you're saying is what Canon wants everyone to do so Canon can make more money, and what has been my point all along. Why be made to spend nearly $1,800 more for this simple feature? The competition from Nikon has no problem at all offering the D610 with 2 slots at a reasonable price of $1,500. Their D7100/D7200 has this feature at it is around $1K. The 7D Mark II does. Why did they leave it off the 6D? To cripple it. Nothing more.

As to the sub discussion here on card reliability - I've had good luck with memory cards over all, over the years. This past year though, I did have a San Disk CF card go bad and only 1/2 of the photos were recovered using their tool. This was a top end SanDisk card too. Never had an issue before, or since.

Dual card slots is a must for anyone with a need to preserve the photos. Prior to this failure, I have always been aware of the need. Look, it is one thing to be stuck with 1 card slot due to the lack of technological innovation. At one time, cameras only had 1 slot. Well, these days - cameras can and do have 2 slots. This should be a standard feature for ANY DSLR over $1,000. It is unacceptable in my opinion for a manufacturer to hold out on that at any price point $1,000 and over.

As to need. I think even enthusiasts not being paid have a need. Time is money and time is life too. You can't get back the experiences when traveling. Or losing photos while traveling costs just as much, if not more, than the work done for a client. Lost your photos from a European vacation or trip to Asia? How much does that cost?

Worse, losing shots of your children at key times. Taking photos of your baby on their birth day. Sorry, there's no re-shoots.

You get the idea.


The 6D should have had dual SD slots. The 70D should have had dual SD slots. 70D wasn't cheap when it came out. It was several hundred dollars more than the Nikon equivalent that had a dual slot. Now, the 70D is a bit of a different animal with video features and all that. But to me, that's all the more reason to have another card slot.

$1,000 and over should have 2 slots, if not - Canon is being el-cheapo OR intentionally crippling cameras.


I hope Canon stops this behavior and offers the 6D2 with two slots.

 

[The Flasher]

Cards fail. They've gotten much better it they still fail. Sometimes it's a single file that goes corrupt, and as luck would have it it's the shot you wanted.

I originally bought the 6D as a backup body to my 5d3 and 1ds3, ended up using it as my main camera on most jobs due to the wifi work flow I described. I also use an a7r on certain work, but the wifi in that camera does not offer the same options

Canon doesn't want to make the 6D a "pro" camera though. They want you to buy a 5D3/4/S/SR/whatever (or better yet, a 1DX) for that. They're not going to make a $2000 6D that has all the "pro" features so that no one buys the $3500 5D4 (numbers just guesses). No way. Don't get your hopes up that they will.

With Canon I never get my hopes up. You got the part spot on "Canon wants you to buy..." where by Canon wants and not the customer wants.

But I digress. Take a look at the Nikon d750. This is a company that listens to the customer and make cameras with features that the customer wants at a competitive price point. Maybe this is an opportunity for canon to split the 6d into two models as well, one with more features than the other. They're so good at restricting features to protect other model lines anyways. So you could have a 6d2 mounted on a stand, realize that you're going to need more focus points in order to really get the shot perfect, and you reach into your bag where you're carrying 5 other bodies and pull out a 6dX for the slightly better feature set. See where I'm going with this.

 

[The Flasher]

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

The issue is not with us, the consumer, for not upgrading to the 5D. It's with Canon, who holds back on inexpensive, simple features that can make a huge difference.

What you're saying is what Canon wants everyone to do so Canon can make more money, and what has been my point all along. Why be made to spend nearly $1,800 more for this simple feature? The competition from Nikon has no problem at all offering the D610 with 2 slots at a reasonable price of $1,500. Their D7100/D7200 has this feature at it is around $1K. The 7D Mark II does. Why did they leave it off the 6D? To cripple it. Nothing more.

As to the sub discussion here on card reliability - I've had good luck with memory cards over all, over the years. This past year though, I did have a San Disk CF card go bad and only 1/2 of the photos were recovered using their tool. This was a top end SanDisk card too. Never had an issue before, or since.

Dual card slots is a must for anyone with a need to preserve the photos. Prior to this failure, I have always been aware of the need. Look, it is one thing to be stuck with 1 card slot due to the lack of technological innovation. At one time, cameras only had 1 slot. Well, these days - cameras can and do have 2 slots. This should be a standard feature for ANY DSLR over $1,000. It is unacceptable in my opinion for a manufacturer to hold out on that at any price point $1,000 and over.

As to need. I think even enthusiasts not being paid have a need. Time is money and time is life too. You can't get back the experiences when traveling. Or losing photos while traveling costs just as much, if not more, than the work done for a client. Lost your photos from a European vacation or trip to Asia? How much does that cost?

Worse, losing shots of your children at key times. Taking photos of your baby on their birth day. Sorry, there's no re-shoots.

You get the idea.


The 6D should have had dual SD slots. The 70D should have had dual SD slots. 70D wasn't cheap when it came out. It was several hundred dollars more than the Nikon equivalent that had a dual slot. Now, the 70D is a bit of a different animal with video features and all that. But to me, that's all the more reason to have another card slot.

$1,000 and over should have 2 slots, if not - Canon is being el-cheapo OR intentionally crippling cameras.


I hope Canon stops this behavior and offers the 6D2 with two slots.

+1

 

[ahsanford]

As much as people want an AF upgrade and (apparently) dual card slots, the 6D2's most glaring need is a pop up flash. Because nothing says "entry level" like some accessories required.

Selling a 6D without a flash is like selling a lowest trimline version of a car without any brakes.

- A

 

[K]

Why this obsession with dual card slots on the 6D Mk II in order to make it "pro". Didn't the 5D Mk II only have a single slot? Seems like it was used successfully by a few pros including a handful of wedding photographers.

Jarrod

So true. Btw. I use SanDisk cards and never ever had any problems. Anyone here that had problems with SanDisk in particular? I don't need dual slot on a 6D.

Yes. Me. With a Sandisk card.

It is very rare I admit. But with memory cards, it is only a matter of time.

 

[zlatko]

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

The issue is not with us, the consumer, for not upgrading to the 5D. It's with Canon, who holds back on inexpensive, simple features that can make a huge difference.

What you're saying is what Canon wants everyone to do so Canon can make more money, and what has been my point all along. Why be made to spend nearly $1,800 more for this simple feature? The competition from Nikon has no problem at all offering the D610 with 2 slots at a reasonable price of $1,500. Their D7100/D7200 has this feature at it is around $1K. The 7D Mark II does. Why did they leave it off the 6D? To cripple it. Nothing more.

As to the sub discussion here on card reliability - I've had good luck with memory cards over all, over the years. This past year though, I did have a San Disk CF card go bad and only 1/2 of the photos were recovered using their tool. This was a top end SanDisk card too. Never had an issue before, or since.

Dual card slots is a must for anyone with a need to preserve the photos. Prior to this failure, I have always been aware of the need. Look, it is one thing to be stuck with 1 card slot due to the lack of technological innovation. At one time, cameras only had 1 slot. Well, these days - cameras can and do have 2 slots. This should be a standard feature for ANY DSLR over $1,000. It is unacceptable in my opinion for a manufacturer to hold out on that at any price point $1,000 and over.

As to need. I think even enthusiasts not being paid have a need. Time is money and time is life too. You can't get back the experiences when traveling. Or losing photos while traveling costs just as much, if not more, than the work done for a client. Lost your photos from a European vacation or trip to Asia? How much does that cost?

Worse, losing shots of your children at key times. Taking photos of your baby on their birth day. Sorry, there's no re-shoots.

You get the idea.

The 6D should have had dual SD slots. The 70D should have had dual SD slots. 70D wasn't cheap when it came out. It was several hundred dollars more than the Nikon equivalent that had a dual slot. Now, the 70D is a bit of a different animal with video features and all that. But to me, that's all the more reason to have another card slot.

$1,000 and over should have 2 slots, if not - Canon is being el-cheapo OR intentionally crippling cameras.

I hope Canon stops this behavior and offers the 6D2 with two slots.

Canon makes a number cameras with dual card slots. You just don't want to buy them. So you've made an arbitrary rule that cameras over $1,000 "should" have dual card slots. Canon fails to meet the rule you made, so they are "being el-cheapo". Well, there are plenty of cameras over $1,000 that don't have dual card slots, so it seems that the camera world is not aware of and not following your rule.

About "crippling" cameras. People who want features but don't want to pay for them always complain about "crippling", as if camera companies owe them something, or should give them something for free. But that's not how business works. That's not how photographers work either. We charge more for additional services, larger prints, higher resolution, etc.

Why doesn't the Nikon D610 offer autofocus down to -3EV? Why doesn't it have interchangeable focusing screens? The 6D has these simple features for around $1,149. Why does Nikon make you pay more to get these simple features? Why did they leave them off the D610? "To cripple it. Nothing more."

... Actually, I don't believe that. I'm just mirroring your words, but choosing to highlight Nikon's omissions to show that this works both ways. But if you feel strongly about this "crippling" business, you should absolutely *right now* be shooting Nikon. I don't understand why you bought Canon in the first place if you perceive them as being so "el-cheapo" and so badly motivated to make more money.

 

[zlatko]

As much as people want an AF upgrade and (apparently) dual card slots, the 6D2's most glaring need is a pop up flash. Because nothing says "entry level" like some accessories required.

Selling a 6D without a flash is like selling a lowest trimline version of a car without any brakes.

- A

Glaring need? Canon makes other cameras with pop up flash. Not every camera needs pop up flash.

 

[ahsanford]

Take a look at the Nikon d750. This is a company that listens to the customer and make cameras with features that the customer wants at a competitive price point. Maybe this is an opportunity for canon to split the 6d into two models as well, one with more features than the other.

Exactly my point. The D750 is not necessarily a great camera for your needs, but consider two photographers today:

Person 1 owns a D600 or D610 and 4-5 Nikon lenses

Person 2 owns a 6D and 4-5 Canon lenses.

Both have grown as photographers and now feel a little constrained by what their respective cameras can do. They have both committed to upgrading their camera body in the next 12-24 months.

Person 1 has the choice of:

• Waiting for a like for like update like a future D620, which would be a (roughly) modest 10% spec update for about $1400. Unless there is a killer new feature added, most photographers would not take that upgrade on a 2-3 year old camera.
• Spending $2000 for a D750, with a similar sensor but a massive upgrade to the AF system, slightly higher burst rate and (if you're into that) an articulating LCD screen.
• Spending $3000 for a D810, which mops the floor with the D610.

Person 2 has the choice of:

• Like waiting for the D620, the Canon person can wait for the 6D2 and hope that Canon goes upmarket with it and makes it more pro. Probably won't happen. Probably will see a modest spec bump and come in around $1500-1700.
• Pay $2500 for an aging 5D3, which is (really loosely) a 6D1 with a killer AF system and solid video features. But its sensor is aging and is roughly on par with what they have with their 6D1 now.
• Ponying up north of $3000 for the various new 5DS / 5D4 / 5Dc models that are coming.

Yes, you could argue the 5D3 drops into 'D750 competitor' territory now that it's price is dropping, but I contend very few people will buy a cut-rate 5D3 in years 4-6 of its lifecycle when there are newer options out there.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

As much as people want an AF upgrade and (apparently) dual card slots, the 6D2's most glaring need is a pop up flash. Because nothing says "entry level" like some accessories required.

Selling a 6D without a flash is like selling a lowest trimline version of a car without any brakes.

- A

Glaring need? Canon makes other cameras with pop up flash. Not every camera needs pop up flash.

I think it's a glaring need as this is not a pro rig for photographers who already own speedlites or demand weathersealing up top. This is a budget FF rig and dollars drive the sale. So someone stepping up from (say) a Rebel or 70D is not just paying X for the camera, they are paying X + Y for the camera plus flash. In many cases, those upgraders are already taking it in the face by needing to pitch their EF-S glass and buy a standard EF zoom as well.

Again, look at Nikon. I don't love their products, but I do (in some cases) believe they have a stronger value proposition -- they've decided pop-up flashes are better than nothing and have thrown them into the design. Canon -- in this budget FF market segment -- tell its comparable customers to pony up for a dedicated flash unit instead.

Don't get me wrong, Nikon is not perfect with optional wi-fi doodads and such, but in some cases, I've feel they've made the right call for the market.

- A

 

[scyrene]

Why this obsession with dual card slots on the 6D Mk II in order to make it "pro". Didn't the 5D Mk II only have a single slot? Seems like it was used successfully by a few pros including a handful of wedding photographers.

Jarrod

So true. Btw. I use SanDisk cards and never ever had any problems. Anyone here that had problems with SanDisk in particular? I don't need dual slot on a 6D.

Too many reasons for dual slots to list here, but I've been shooting long enough to know that it's not if but when cards fail. The 6d is used by pros for its low light performance, light eight, and for me the wifi - huge asset when shooting on location with the client reviewing images as we go on the tablet, without having to transfer to laptop or having to shoot tethered. .. At least not every 15 minutes. . A dual slot is liability prevention on projects where a loss of images could spell financial losses due to reshoots etc.

I'd like to see this model upgraded to the same level and feature set as Nikon's d750, including the articulating screen.

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

And of all the things to fail, I wouldn't have thought the card/slot is the most likely. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had a problem with that.

Cards fail. They've gotten much better it they still fail. Sometimes it's a single file that goes corrupt, and as luck would have it it's the shot you wanted.

I originally bought the 6D as a backup body to my 5d3 and 1ds3, ended up using it as my main camera on most jobs due to the wifi work flow I described. I also use an a7r on certain work, but the wifi in that camera does not offer the same options

Ah, wifi. That's something I hadn't thought of.

 

[scyrene]

I don't know enough about the way you work to make too detailed a comment, but I do wonder... if the work is so critical, why go for the entry-level camera at all? If time is money, I imagine you could build into your margins the cost of a slightly more expensive camera? Just curious.

The issue is not with us, the consumer, for not upgrading to the 5D. It's with Canon, who holds back on inexpensive, simple features that can make a huge difference.

What you're saying is what Canon wants everyone to do so Canon can make more money, and what has been my point all along. Why be made to spend nearly $1,800 more for this simple feature? The competition from Nikon has no problem at all offering the D610 with 2 slots at a reasonable price of $1,500. Their D7100/D7200 has this feature at it is around $1K. The 7D Mark II does. Why did they leave it off the 6D? To cripple it. Nothing more.

As to the sub discussion here on card reliability - I've had good luck with memory cards over all, over the years. This past year though, I did have a San Disk CF card go bad and only 1/2 of the photos were recovered using their tool. This was a top end SanDisk card too. Never had an issue before, or since.

Dual card slots is a must for anyone with a need to preserve the photos. Prior to this failure, I have always been aware of the need. Look, it is one thing to be stuck with 1 card slot due to the lack of technological innovation. At one time, cameras only had 1 slot. Well, these days - cameras can and do have 2 slots. This should be a standard feature for ANY DSLR over $1,000. It is unacceptable in my opinion for a manufacturer to hold out on that at any price point $1,000 and over.

As to need. I think even enthusiasts not being paid have a need. Time is money and time is life too. You can't get back the experiences when traveling. Or losing photos while traveling costs just as much, if not more, than the work done for a client. Lost your photos from a European vacation or trip to Asia? How much does that cost?

Worse, losing shots of your children at key times. Taking photos of your baby on their birth day. Sorry, there's no re-shoots.

You get the idea.


The 6D should have had dual SD slots. The 70D should have had dual SD slots. 70D wasn't cheap when it came out. It was several hundred dollars more than the Nikon equivalent that had a dual slot. Now, the 70D is a bit of a different animal with video features and all that. But to me, that's all the more reason to have another card slot.

$1,000 and over should have 2 slots, if not - Canon is being el-cheapo OR intentionally crippling cameras.


I hope Canon stops this behavior and offers the 6D2 with two slots.

I dunno. Your points are valid, *but* if card failure was something I feared, I'd do what I could to mitigate it. I imagine dual slots are fairly cheap to implement, so that's fair enough. Maybe I'm just more laid back about it though - if I miss a shot, that's a shame but not too bad. There is no situation that would upset me massively, but everybody is different. (Ten or twenty years later, does it matter if that photo of your baby was taken in day 1 or day 2?).

Funnily enough, I use a camera with dual slots but have never used the option where the files are written to both. A one slot camera wouldn't bother me. But as you say, if it's cheap to implement and the competition does it, it's reasonable to ask for.

 

[Takingshots]

Canon 5DS is selling for $3699.
I think (my guessimate) the new 5DIV will be around $2999 and 6D MKii will be around $2,199.
And they might just add (the low pass filter cancellation) 5D IV R and charge $3199...