There are two more APS-C RF mount cameras coming [CR2]

[EOS 4 Life]

The competitors just want to attach their lenses to Canon cameras.

Canon sells lenses.
Those are their competitors.

 

[Maximilian]

Point and shoot sales were never close to what smartphones sales are today.
If we include mobile phones then camera sales are higher than they have ever been.
Not to mention tablets and laptops.

Is it you wanting to have the last word or is it you ignoring my statements - whatever...

I'll repeat it once again:

A low price, entry market Rebel/Kiss/Rx000 seems to be a no-brainer to me.
How else should Canon gain new customers?

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I think it's likely that Canon will get to hear about *common* criticisms or suggestions made here.

It seems a lot easier to just contact Canon directly.
That is what I do.
TBH I also contact people that I know Canon listens to.
The downside is that they decide what gets passed on to Canon.

 

[Czardoom]

A low price, entry market Rebel/Kiss/Rx000 seems to be a no-brainer to me.
How else should Canon gain new customers?
(except for the fact, that this market segment is absolutely dead and shifted over to cells. But this is something Canon should have researched)

Personally, I would like to see a similar naming in all regions of the world (as a European, I'd prefer the Rx000 naming ).

Canon has told us that about 40% of it's camera sales are DSLRs and 30% are M cameras. Since there haven't been any new DSLRs in a few years, this likely means the vast majority of those sales are Rebels (plus any check of Amazon sales over the past year or more tells us this as well). The M50 and M50 II are also top sellers and probably make up the vast majority of M camera sales. In other words, probably somewhere around 50%-65% of Canon cameras sold are to the "absolutely dead" entry level market. Apparently Canon does research this. Maximilian, on the other hand, did not.

 

[Czardoom]

... Lastly, RFS has essentially the WORST / LEAST lenses on the market. Just terrible.

Man i got popcorn for this one. LOTS of popcorn.

Aside from the fact that you can use all the EF and EF-S lenses made by Canon, Sigma, Tamron and others. But why bother with reality when trying to make a point?

 

[Maximilian]

Apparently Canon does research this. Maximilian, on the other hand, did not.

Yo!

And you - on purpose - misread my posts. Please read again - carefully.

Otherwise I see your comments as trolling.

Thanks in advance for your excuse.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Canon sells lenses.
Those are their competitors.

Please, don't distract @Skyscraperfan with simple facts. He's far too busy trying to keep his balance on that soapbox.

 

[Kit.]

Then you will be stuck with Canon lenses even if they do bring third parties on board.

Indeed.

When I don't need my lens and my camera to be optimized for each other, both in the optical scheme and in the electronic protocol, I can as well use an SLR lens, and then there are plenty of EF lenses to choose from.

But if one is looking for a competitor to the lens I use the most, RF 14-35/4L, well... good luck to find something similar in convenience, optical quality and IS performance, but designed to be also compatible with the FE mount.

 

[mariosk1gr]

I would kill for a m6 type body with rf mount and serious video/photo implementation!

 

[Longtermer]

The problem is that they are not only enforcing those patents against their competitors, but also against their customers. It's not that a competitor copied their cameras. The competitors just want to attach their lenses to Canon cameras. The competitors did not choose the RF mount. They just do not have any other option than to use the RF mount, if they want to attach their lenses to Canon cameras. That's why it is so problematic, if Canon uses patents to prevent that.

Canon uses patents the same as most other large companies - ie to protect the IP which gives rise to their profits. Competitors can (and a number do) design lenses that attach to the RF mount - they just can't (from the little that has been made public) use Canon software to add extra functionality. So those lenses are largely 'manual'. But they can still be 'attached' to RF mount bodies.

To be clear, I wish Canon would come to some sort of licensing agreement with 3rd party producers - it would mean more lenses to choose from. But let's not completely mischaracterise the situation.

 

[PhotoGenerous]

What does everyone use the control ring for once you have ISO/shutter/aperture already available?

There are so many options, so I'm still experimenting with an entire control scheme overhaul.

I switched from Av to Fv. The top thumb dial switches variabales because it's Fv mode, but I mainly have it positioned so the main dial changes aperture. The control ring is set to change shutter speed (without needing to move the active Fv variable to shutter), and ISO is set to auto.

And then I've set the the Depth of Field button to hold and turn the main dial to change exposure compensation.

So my main dial controls my two most used variables, the control ring changes the other. The top thumb dial can be used to move change shutter speed if the control ring is locked.

That leaves the rear dial completely free because I think it's more ergonomic to use that as little as possible now that I have the option. So now it changes Picture Styles so I can quickly see what a scene looks like in black and white.

The final four styles are Monochrome, User 1, User 2, and User 3. First is Monochrome unchanged, then User 1 is set to Monochrome +2 contrast, User 2 is Mono +4, and User 3 is set to normal.

Since User 3 is the final style, you can't overshoot when selecting, so to revert to normal I just crank it to the right without needing to know which Monochrome I'm in.

 

[Skux]

I recently returned from a holiday to Australia, and the few people I saw cameras were either EOS 100 or 1000 series Rebels, Sony A6000 series cameras, or DJI Osmo-style vlogging kits. Shout out to the one dude with a Fujifilm medium format camera and another other guy with an entire Canon 5D setup.

There is still a market for entry level cameras, even though it's shrinking.

As for myself I took the EOS RP with the 24-105 f4-7.1mm and 50mm f1.8, and even that got very heavy after a day of walking around the cities. It will be interesting to see what Canon can make for this segment in RF mount.

 

[Bob Howland]

As for myself I took the EOS RP with the 24-105 f4-7.1mm and 50mm f1.8, and even that got very heavy after a day of walking around the cities. It will be interesting to see what Canon can make for this segment in RF mount.

How about an R7 body, 18-150 lens and EL-100 strobe?

Off-topic:Is anybody else having problems with the text insertion cursor changing position erratically while typing?

 

[unfocused]

It reminds me of car radios...

Of all the terrible car analogies that have been used on this site over the years, this has got to be one of the worst. A radio is an accessory, completely unnecessary for driving a car. If Canon were preventing third-party camera strap makers from attaching their straps to Canon bodies, you would have a point. But, with lenses? No.

 

[David - Sydney]

And are they regular users or novice photographers? Try to start taking pictures of models with a mobile phone or a camera in your twenties and you will know that the camera has a purpose.

We also need to consider different markets/regions. Some countries have much lower average salaries and what would be considered a professional camera in them. In the end, it is the result that counts. We/models etc can be snobbish but we need to consider that phones can be much more expensive than entry level ILCs plus you can do basic adjustments in-phone and publish quickly especially if it is only for online work. The business economics work out in this case.

Did my daughter need a high mp camera body for her wedding when she hasn't printed a single shot? Admittedly the photography had a D3 but we checked her previous results and not the tool she used.

 

[David - Sydney]

I recently returned from a holiday to Australia, and the few people I saw cameras were either EOS 100 or 1000 series Rebels, Sony A6000 series cameras, or DJI Osmo-style vlogging kits. Shout out to the one dude with a Fujifilm medium format camera and another other guy with an entire Canon 5D setup.

There is still a market for entry level cameras, even though it's shrinking.

As for myself I took the EOS RP with the 24-105 f4-7.1mm and 50mm f1.8, and even that got very heavy after a day of walking around the cities. It will be interesting to see what Canon can make for this segment in RF mount.

We Australians use a wide variety of bodies and there is a very active prosumer group of users
Just look at the seascapers at sunrise or the tripods wielders at Vivid or even around Circular Quay for the lunar eclipse. When I go diving, the range of equipment taken underwater by others has a staggering value when you add it all up.
I travel with either R5+24-105/4L for one lens; EF16-35mm/4L + RF100-500mm for 2 lens combo or others for more specific use. For a recent trip to Iceland, I took RF24-105mm/4L, RF100-500mm, EF16-35mm/4 + EF8-15mm. The Scott eVest is brilliant to migrate weight from my Lowepro 450AW when it comes to check-in time

 

[David - Sydney]

I've configured mine for the AF method selection, but I cannot say that I use it often.

Fascinating... does this alleviate dual back button focus ie can you restrict it to switching between eye-AF and single point?

 

[David - Sydney]

Maybe it is not in Canon's best interest, but it is quite an evil move against its own customers.

Well, you can see the reactions to "evil" in the previous comments. Ascribing emotions to corporations can be fraught.
Google removed its "don't be evil" manta in their code of conduct in 2018. Does this mean that they can be evil now?
Elon Musk was a "genius" at Tesla but yet to see if he is the same at Twitter or just incompetent (ie a twit). The bankers who assisted the deal are already sitting on negative equity.
Apple operates a closed shop... 'it just works" wins loyal and enthusiastic customers every day. Some hate the thought of a closed ecosystem and votes with their dollars elsewhere but Apple is still extremely profitable

 

[SnowMiku]

As someone who has both a R5 and R7, I can tell you the £2000 combination of an R7 and RF 100-400mm weighing just over 1 kg has very close IQ and reach to a £7000 combo of an R5 and RF 100-500mm coming in at over 2 kg.

I have the 90D and the EF 70-300mm L which is equivalent to 112-480mm F/9. I think it is a great affordable deal for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for an RF body and the RF 100-500mm. It's good to see that other people on here understand this

 

[neuroanatomist]

As for myself I took the EOS RP with the 24-105 f4-7.1mm and 50mm f1.8, and even that got very heavy after a day of walking around the cities. It will be interesting to see what Canon can make for this segment in RF mount.

On trips with family I take two kits. One is EOS M based (currently the M6II, and while I have the full set of EF-M lenses, the travel set is the M11-22, M18-150, and M22/2). That kit fits in a Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 20, but more commonly I use a small LowePro TLZ that is a tight fit for the body + 18-150, and the other lenses go in little DashPoint 20/30 cases all in a regular backpack with other stuff.

The other kit is full frame, currently the R3 along with the RF 14-35/4, RF 24-105/4 and RF 100-500L, along with a RRS TQC-14 tripod and with the TS-E 17 and/or TS-E 24 added if we’re going to an urban destination. The 3-Zoom kit fits in a LowePro FastPack 300, or the 400 AW if bringing TS-E(s).

When walking around with family during the day, I bring the M kit. When going out solo at blue hour, I take the FF kit.

If Canon replicates the M form factor in an APS-C R body and brings out an RF-S 11-22 and fast pancake prime, I might consider replacing the M kit. It would be a little bigger, but would enable the APS-C body to serve as a backup for the FF body.