There Will be a 4K 5D Camera [CR2]

[mb66energy]

Whoever thinks 5D4 will be a 30MP DSLR better get off your unicorn asap.

Do you think it will be 36 MPix?

 

[shutterlag]

The fact that this is "news" is an epci facepalm.

 

[kten]

I don't get demanding raw and 4K in mid range stills dslr. Seems like a marketing thing that people buy into rather than professional need. Yeah I played around with ML and like it for personal/low end production but I don't make living off high end vid. My cousin is DP (and just broke into directing too) wouldn't dream of trying to use a mid level still cam with ML on a large production set because if you have a need it needs to be perfectly reliable and not clunky. Pulling a battery half way through a rush because of lock-ups or flakey issues like the new sony's have isn't an option. The lower end market like wedding togs I know have enough PP to do without going near that so not worth it to them either.

Canon don't leave the features out due to spite but because they want tools that work all the time, everytime and in all conditions. All the Canons (an a few nikons) I've used do that, that is why I think sony are still prosumer toys in comparisson because they lack the conservative just works thing in favour of tick as many marketing boxes as you can which pros don't care about as much as regular consumers as they'd rather have what they need just work instead of cram as many features that only work flawless on a good day.

 

[Pompo]

Re: high res and high FPS are covered..what's missing HIGH ISO KING!

Since high res and high FPS are covered now (5Ds /r and 1DXII) Canon now needs to introduce the king of high iso 5DX clean ISO 51200!

 

[Quackator]

Which specific video features would increase cost?

4k video does, because it requires much better cooling and
consumes a lot of power. Also, it will require Cfast.

 

[J.R.]

Which specific video features would increase cost?

4k video does, because it requires much better cooling and
consumes a lot of power. Also, it will require Cfast.

Yes, and that's the reason I feel that the 5D4 will get 4K functional like in the Nikon D5 - with a 3/5 minute limit.

 

[Quackator]

My biggest gripe is - and has always been - the flimsy nature of all those connectors.
I'd love LEMO plugs, USB type C, BNC or whatever possible.

At least, don't solder surface mount connectors to the mainboard,
make it easy to service broken plugs. Modular connector interfaces, please!

 

[gregory4000]

Which specific video features would increase cost?

4k video does, because it requires much better cooling and
consumes a lot of power. Also, it will require Cfast.

Yes, and that's the reason I feel that the 5D4 will get 4K functional like in the Nikon D5 - with a 3/5 minute limit.


This is not true,
I doesn't cost more to add 4K. It's a firmware update and the cost is in the R&D. Fuji, Sony added 4k and soon nikon D5 will increase the recording limit to 30 minutes via a firmware update. Sony corrected its overheating issue by this process and Panasonic added logs doing this also.
This is important, Why, Because many will rant that they don't use or need video on their 5D'iv or 1dx ii but rest assure. your canon 5d will cost the same with or without the video feature, actually, Canon will probably charge more for a 5d as only a stills camera just like they charge more for removing a filter on the 5dsr. Its basic marketing logic. If they want it....make them pay for it.

 

[gregory4000]

Look guys, I know MOST wedding pros don't do video with their DSLRs ... but I know a few who DO. Their videography services utilize DSLRs (specifically 5D2) and their work has a beautiful organic film look. There are lots of other NON-stills guys out there (students and indy film guys) who like/need/want to use DSLRs. If it costs Canon an extra $100 to add a heat pipe and tweak the Digic chip to open up several thousand more unit sales, you DO it.

If it's a matter of doing a split line, which this CR quote could seem to suggest "there will be A 5D camera that shoots 4k" then that works too. Same body same ergonomic controls, same everything as a 5D4 but called a 5Dc with a different sensor and menu system perhaps (more tailored for video).

Either way, we stills guys need to stop fist banging over video. There's a another, already well-established potential audience of customers out there for Canon who desire DSLR sized cameras for video. Canon would be foolish not to address them in some form or fashion when it would be so easy for them to do it.

The more push they have into the Cinema EOS line, the more pressure it puts to make a DSLR sized camera that can accompany them. I think we are at that point...or at least I hope we are. A $15k C300II, a $6000 C100III, and a 5DC at $3500 is a well rounded 4K line up.

Bravo, well said.
I would like to add, for those who don't understand why a stills camera should have video.
Well, think of it this way. You can use your cell phone to shoot video ( almost all cell phones shoots still and video WHY?) or if you have this passion, purchase a $5000 video unit. But if your content with having 90% of high video quality and be able to use all your quality still lenes and if shooting full frame can have beautiful bokah in your clips that a $5000 camera may not have due to it's smaller sensor and best of all, this is installed on your great stills camera at really no extra cost. Why in the hell would you decline this feature on more selfishly, for many who may like to shoot a movie clip once in a while.

 

[douglaurent]

Let's see what the next big thing that's "going to destroy Canon" is when the next 5D brings Canon back to the lead in DSLR video and the 1DX2 shows it has great dynamic range. :

It doesn't need a next big thing, because an old thing like a Sony A7R2 will still be ahead of a new 5D4 4K camera because of it's many features only possible on mirrorless, having 42MP and no limitations to protect the own film camera department like Canon does it.

Nevertheless I did order the 1DX2 because it has 4K AND 60fps - something that the A7R2 doesn't have and might not have in the next generation because of heat problems, and something that no other Canon DSLR might get within this decade.

 

[time123]

I do hope that if Canon releases a 5D camera with 4K that they offer a non-4K version as well. From a build perspective if they wanted to do 4K right there would likely need to be a lot more additional technology exclusively geared towards video capture such as dedicated processors, stronger heat dissipation components, more complex software, possible software licensing costs for specific codecs, etc. All of this additional tech will also cost more and that will simply get passed on down to the consumer but I'd rather spend that money on glass. High quality video recording is an very computationally taxing effort.

I see this like the whole Image Stabilization discussion on lenses that don't have it; you can't just tack on a single chip and call it a day, rather it takes a completely different and significantly more challenging engineering approach with many new additional expenses. If I wanted to record high quality, ultra high definition video I'd get a video camera. For me it boils down to the fact that I'd rather have Canon focusing their stills camera division on stills camera technology and their video camera division focusing on video camera technology. Some co-mingling is OK though but where do you draw the line between the two. We'll see soon (or not soon) enough though.

 

[Alejandro]

Since japanese hate the number 4, i can totally see a 5dp (5d Photo) and a 5dc (5d Cinema).

 

[CanoKnight]

This is exactly it. Even if there is a 5D with 4K, it will be the same low quality compressed crap the 1DX has. Perhaps Magic Lantern will eventually give us access to RAW, perhaps not, but on release we will have crappy 4K.

Have you seen the 1dx ii video from canon Australia? If the 5d4 /5dc is anything like it I will order it pronto !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p67plTeMyD8

 

[time123]

... This 5D IV could be a Windows ME / Vista esque camera ...

People would be lining up around the block to buy a camera that takes 10 minutes to start up, automatically reboots between every 1 and 100th shot, randomly deletes photos, requires new stability patches to be installed monthly, frequently phones back home to Canon with who knows what kind of information, and occasionally does nothing but show a blue screen with technical jargon on it ;D

 

[winfel]

It doesn't need a next big thing, because an old thing like a Sony A7R2 will still be ahead of a new 5D4 4K camera because of it's many features only possible on mirrorless, having 42MP and no limitations to protect the own film camera department like Canon does it.

Is there any feature that is only possible on mirrorless?

 

[Nakean]

but in order to "protect" expensive cameras, 5D video will be castrated to the point that Panasonic G7 and Sony Rx series will be better performing and more advanced than this 3000$ Canon ****.

I own a Panasonic GH4 (basically a higher end G7). Great, great camera. But there's one thing those cameras can't do. Make their sensor bigger. As good as the GH4 is (and is is good). It's light sensitivity still pales in comparison to my 8 year old 5D Mark II.

You can't be serious. If the gh4 pixels were as blurry as those coming from the 5dmkII or MKIII for that matter, I'm sure it wouldn't exhibit any noise either. I own all three and when I look at 5D footage it doesn't even seem in focus! Even at GH4's 1080p.

 

[3kramd5]

And yes, I find it very unlikely they couldn't have packaged one on the 5DS.

What are you trying to show with the picture? An empty space that could have been used or...?

An area where if they tried they likely could have packaged a headphone jack. The PWB looks rather empty and there is free space. The connectors aren't that big, particularly the surface mount variety.

I think that "empty space" is where the bit of rubber goes that attaches the rubber door to the camera

Sure, but there are multiple ways to skin a cat (or attach a door). Point being, even if it didn't go there with all else being equal, I suspect that if they really wanted to, or if they deemed it important, they could have included one.

 

[3kramd5]

My biggest gripe is - and has always been - the flimsy nature of all those connectors.
I'd love LEMO plugs, USB type C, BNC or whatever possible.

At least, don't solder surface mount connectors to the mainboard,
make it easy to service broken plugs. Modular connector interfaces, please!

In my experience surface mount is easier to replace than through hole; just need enough local heat to reflow the pads, not through the thickness of the board. Through hole is more robust, but the connector is supported by the panel so it's a non issue.

 

[clarksbrother]

but in order to "protect" expensive cameras, 5D video will be castrated to the point that Panasonic G7 and Sony Rx series will be better performing and more advanced than this 3000$ Canon ****.

I own a Panasonic GH4 (basically a higher end G7). Great, great camera. But there's one thing those cameras can't do. Make their sensor bigger. As good as the GH4 is (and is is good). It's light sensitivity still pales in comparison to my 8 year old 5D Mark II.

You can't be serious. If the gh4 pixels were as blurry as those coming from the 5dmkII or MKIII for that matter, I'm sure it wouldn't exhibit any noise either. I own all three and when I look at 5D footage it doesn't even seem in focus! Even at GH4's 1080p.

Blurry? Do you mean noise level/noise floor? There's a definite difference in the noise floor of the 5D series vs the GH4, basically in terms of similar ISO performance I've found the 5D Mark III has about a 2 stop advantage. The 5D Mark II a 1-1.5 stop advantage.

If you're having issues of blur, than I strongly suggest you get your lenses looked at as that's an optics problem, not an electronics one. When I've tested, I've used the same lens on both the 5D Mark II (and the III from work) as I do on my GH4 (with a Metabones speedbooster adapter). At same video resolutions, they're equally sharp, which is to say, very.

 

[pwp]

Since Japanese hate the number 4, i can totally see a 5dp (5d Photo) and a 5dc (5d Cinema).

Yet one of the best in the 1-Series line was the still viable 1D Mk4. :

-pw