There Will be a 4K 5D Camera [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>A good source is quite sure that <em>“there will be a 5D camera that shoots 4K video”</em>. The specifications of the video features are unknown, along with any other specifications for the camera.</p>
<p>The source was quite sure that an announcement for the next 5D will not come before the EOS-1D X Mark II begins shipping, which we’re told will definitely happen in April. There won’t be an overlap like there was with the EOS-1D X and EOS 5D Mark III roll out.</p>
<p>More to come…</p>
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[clarksbrother]

NAB is the second to last full week of April so there's a halfway decent chance the 1DX Mark II will ship prior to. The interesting part about the whole thing is that it was "there will be a 5D with 4K video" hinting the line could split? (i.e. Sony A7S / A7R) - Then again, it already sort of has with the 5DS.

If a 4K version was coming - NAB would be a good spot to showcase.

 

[Haydn1971]

The range widens ?

Two x high Mpx models
A 4k video version
A heterosexual 5D ?

 

[Chaitanya]

but in order to "protect" expensive cameras, 5D video will be castrated to the point that Panasonic G7 and Sony Rx series will be better performing and more advanced than this 3000$ Canon ****.

 

[H. Jones]

Let's see what the next big thing that's "going to destroy Canon" is when the next 5D brings Canon back to the lead in DSLR video and the 1DX2 shows it has great dynamic range. :

 

[Flamingtree]

This could be pretty sweet if..... the non 4k 5D Mk4 is a cheaper model. Because for me (I think) I want a 5D Mk4 but will never use 4k (or any other video feature for that matter), so I if I can save a bit, happy days!

 

[plam_1980]

I always thought it is more logical that there will be no overlapping, unlike the previous time. Many people tried to correct me that 5D mark IV will not cannibalize 1-series sales, but I believe Canon will not risk the preliminary orders of 1D X II by announcing 5D mark IV before they are shipped.
This can only mean that the new 5D will be awesome, at least I hope so ;D

 

[clarksbrother]

but in order to "protect" expensive cameras, 5D video will be castrated to the point that Panasonic G7 and Sony Rx series will be better performing and more advanced than this 3000$ Canon ****.

I own a Panasonic GH4 (basically a higher end G7). Great, great camera. But there's one thing those cameras can't do. Make their sensor bigger. As good as the GH4 is (and is is good). It's light sensitivity still pales in comparison to my 8 year old 5D Mark II.

 

[clarksbrother]

I always thought it is more logical that there will be no overlapping, unlike the previous time. Many people tried to correct me that 5D mark IV will not cannibalize 1-series sales, but I believe Canon will not risk the preliminary orders of 1D X II by announcing 5D mark IV before they are shipped.
This can only mean that the new 5D will be awesome, at least I hope so ;D

I like the way you think. And to a certain extent that's probably true. That said - the 1D and 5D series are very different cameras. Would the 5D canabalize the 1D? Maybe a little, but my sense is the audience of who buys a $6,000 camera vs a $3,500 camera is different enough where the effect would not be that large.

 

[K]

Not sure why Canon would offer up 2 different 5D cameras just for 4K. If someone is that serious about good 4K, they move up to the 1DX2. That also fits Canon's M.O. of up selling.

It will be one busy FF lineup for sure. 6D2, 5D4, 5D4 4k, 5DS, 5DSR, 1DX2

6 Full frame cameras...

Stands to reason that the 5DS will go away next generation like the D800. While I personally like the AA filter, the internet hordes of pixel peepers hate it. These are the folks that will pixel peep all day and admire the detail and resolution, but ignores the destruction of IQ due to moire. A bizarre contradiction. Anyway, not trying to sidetrack the discussion.

A 6D2 is logical, Canon needs an "entry" FF. Otherwise, that segment is wide open for NIkon's taking.

In Crop...

There's the flagship 7D2, then the enthusiast 80D.

That's 2 in the $1K+ segment.

After that, there's 2 Rebels.

4 crops, 3 of which are consumer oriented.

Maybe this is a sign of things to come - the DSLR market moving toward more specialist bodies with more offerings in FF. With less choice on the low end crops where people buy in huge volume and don't really care.

My guess is, the 5D4 will be one camera, it will have 4K because it has to - but that 4K will in some way or form not be as good as the 1DX2. Or it might be as good, but lacking other video features. Hard to say. This satisfies the video fanatics out there (kinda). 6D2 will happen. Then the 5DS will go away by next generation. They'll probably release the 5DS Mark II, which will be without an AA filter, and drop the 'R' ...but that is a longggg way out. That is a specialty camera, and in the realm that it is designed for - it's IQ will serve the needs for at least 4-5 years.

Four FF body lineup is more realistic I think. Across those 4, what is there that you can't do? Absolutely nothing.

 

[plam_1980]

I always thought it is more logical that there will be no overlapping, unlike the previous time. Many people tried to correct me that 5D mark IV will not cannibalize 1-series sales, but I believe Canon will not risk the preliminary orders of 1D X II by announcing 5D mark IV before they are shipped.
This can only mean that the new 5D will be awesome, at least I hope so ;D

I like the way you think. And to a certain extent that's probably true. That said - the 1D and 5D series are very different cameras. Would the 5D canabalize the 1D? Maybe a little, but my sense is the audience of who buys a $6,000 camera vs a $3,500 camera is different enough where the effect would not be that large.

I cannot say that the majority of the people who placed pre-orders will change their mind, but I believe there will be quite a few, and any number of change will be a loss for Canon (of course it depends on the profit per body and not on the total turnover, but I suspect that the profit of 1D bodies is bigger than the profit on 5D bodies, but I might be totally wrong, this is an interesting off-topic matter, does anyone have any idea if that is the case?).
Perhaps it will be interesting to start a poll for the readers of CR who have placed pre-orders what (if any) features of a new 5D will make them to cancel their pre-order

 

[roxics]

At this point I almost don't care anymore. It's not going to have the kind of features most video people desire these days anyway. Just getting something as basic as a resolution bump doesn't cover other important factors like increased dynamic range, a 10-bit codec/compressed raw recording, clean 4K out of the HDMI jack, 4K DCI spec resolution for those that desire it, peaking/waveforms, CLog and a way to load a LUT for display while shooting, a non-line skipping/non-cropping video feed off the sensor's full width, variable frame rates in single frame increments, a proper XLR audio solution that attaches to the camera in some way other than an 1/8" mic jack, an EVF/OVF hybrid, the list can go on.

I guess I'm just coming to terms with the fact that DSLRs will never have the kind of features we video people desire and they probably shouldn't either, as much as it would be nice. It is a pipe dream to get everything we need for stills and video in a single camera. It's not like this Canon is going to have some amazing new UHD capability that other cameras don't already have.

 

[KarstenReis]

Not sure why Canon would offer up 2 different 5D cameras just for 4K. If someone is that serious about good 4K, they move up to the 1DX2. That also fits Canon's M.O. of up selling.

It will be one busy FF lineup for sure. 6D2, 5D4, 5D4 4k, 5DS, 5DSR, 1DX2

6 Full frame cameras...

Stands to reason that the 5DS will go away next generation like the D800. While I personally like the AA filter, the internet hordes of pixel peepers hate it. These are the folks that will pixel peep all day and admire the detail and resolution, but ignores the destruction of IQ due to moire. A bizarre contradiction. Anyway, not trying to sidetrack the discussion.

A 6D2 is logical, Canon needs an "entry" FF. Otherwise, that segment is wide open for NIkon's taking.

In Crop...

There's the flagship 7D2, then the enthusiast 80D.

That's 2 in the $1K+ segment.

After that, there's 2 Rebels.

4 crops, 3 of which are consumer oriented.

Maybe this is a sign of things to come - the DSLR market moving toward more specialist bodies with more offerings in FF. With less choice on the low end crops where people buy in huge volume and don't really care.

My guess is, the 5D4 will be one camera, it will have 4K because it has to - but that 4K will in some way or form not be as good as the 1DX2. Or it might be as good, but lacking other video features. Hard to say. This satisfies the video fanatics out there (kinda). 6D2 will happen. Then the 5DS will go away by next generation. They'll probably release the 5DS Mark II, which will be without an AA filter, and drop the 'R' ...but that is a longggg way out. That is a specialty camera, and in the realm that it is designed for - it's IQ will serve the needs for at least 4-5 years.

Four FF body lineup is more realistic I think. Across those 4, what is there that you can't do? Absolutely nothing.

I remember reading an interview from a Canon exec or some post saying that Canon was moving to more specialized cameras and therefore would have a larger diversity of camera bodies to fit individual needs better. This would explain the divergence in series and expansion of additional model ranges.

 

[Sharlin]

I guess I'm just coming to terms with the fact that DSLRs will never have the kind of features we video people desire and they probably shouldn't either, as much as it would be nice. It is a pipe dream to get everything we need for stills and video in a single camera.

Right. And as a 98% stills photographer, I definitely don't want to pay extra for features that I'll never ever use.

The thing is, DSLRs got video features because there's popular demand for that. It makes sense to include just enough video stuff to increase/keep up sales in the consumer/enthusiast segment in an era where an exclusively still camera just wouldn't cut it. Movie features help pay R&D bills, but you hit diminishing returns pretty quickly once you start adding advanced things that fewer and fewer people want - making it necessary to raise prices which in turn would drive away the stills shooters which, like it or not, still are the primary focus group for DSLRs.

 

[PureClassA]

Look guys, I know MOST wedding pros don't do video with their DSLRs ... but I know a few who DO. Their videography services utilize DSLRs (specifically 5D2) and their work has a beautiful organic film look. There are lots of other NON-stills guys out there (students and indy film guys) who like/need/want to use DSLRs. If it costs Canon an extra $100 to add a heat pipe and tweak the Digic chip to open up several thousand more unit sales, you DO it.

If it's a matter of doing a split line, which this CR quote could seem to suggest "there will be A 5D camera that shoots 4k" then that works too. Same body same ergonomic controls, same everything as a 5D4 but called a 5Dc with a different sensor and menu system perhaps (more tailored for video).

Either way, we stills guys need to stop fist banging over video. There's a another, already well-established potential audience of customers out there for Canon who desire DSLR sized cameras for video. Canon would be foolish not to address them in some form or fashion when it would be so easy for them to do it.

The more push they have into the Cinema EOS line, the more pressure it puts to make a DSLR sized camera that can accompany them. I think we are at that point...or at least I hope we are. A $15k C300II, a $6000 C100III, and a 5DC at $3500 is a well rounded 4K line up.

 

[Orangutan]

I guess I'm just coming to terms with the fact that DSLRs will never have the kind of features we video people desire and they probably shouldn't either, as much as it would be nice. It is a pipe dream to get everything we need for stills and video in a single camera.

Right. And as a 98% stills photographer, I definitely don't want to pay extra for features that I'll never ever use.

The thing is, DSLRs got video features because there's popular demand for that. It makes sense to include just enough video stuff to increase/keep up sales in the consumer/enthusiast segment in an era where an exclusively still camera just wouldn't cut it. Movie features help pay R&D bills, but you hit diminishing returns pretty quickly once you start adding advanced things that fewer and fewer people want - making it necessary to raise prices which in turn would drive away the stills shooters which, like it or not, still are the primary focus group for DSLRs.

Which specific video features would increase cost?

 

[slclick]

Stills only shooters have always been reassured that the addition of video does not change or at least significantly raise the cost of a high end dslr body. That is good common sense. What about now with the possibility of 4/5 k?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I guess I'm just coming to terms with the fact that DSLRs will never have the kind of features we video people desire and they probably shouldn't either, as much as it would be nice. It is a pipe dream to get everything we need for stills and video in a single camera.

Right. And as a 98% stills photographer, I definitely don't want to pay extra for features that I'll never ever use.
The thing is, DSLRs got video features because there's popular demand for that. It makes sense to include just enough video stuff to increase/keep up sales in the consumer/enthusiast segment in an era where an exclusively still camera just wouldn't cut it. Movie features help pay R&D bills, but you hit diminishing returns pretty quickly once you start adding advanced things that fewer and fewer people want - making it necessary to raise prices which in turn would drive away the stills shooters which, like it or not, still are the primary focus group for DSLRs.

Which specific video features would increase cost?

heat dissipation, very high speed recording card, very powerful processor (maybe two cores).

 

[jebrady03]

I can't remember where I saw it, but I saw an interview with a Canon exec who was asked about including video features into a still camera and it's result being an increased cost to the consumer. The gist of his response was "those people are idiots". More specifically I think he said something along the lines of that's not the case. But what I took away from it was "those people are idiots". I believe he also said something along the lines of video being a natural extension of their progression in stills, and not so much a separate R&D path.

 

[crazyrunner33]

NAB is the second to last full week of April so there's a halfway decent chance the 1DX Mark II will ship prior to. The interesting part about the whole thing is that it was "there will be a 5D with 4K video" hinting the line could split? (i.e. Sony A7S / A7R) - Then again, it already sort of has with the 5DS.

If a 4K version was coming - NAB would be a good spot to showcase.

Ok,so elsewhere there was someone saying that the 5Ds would see an update this year.

Anyone want to bet that the "5D camera that does 4K" will be the update of the 5Ds and *NOT* the 5D Mark IV?

I will add that it would make much much more sense to see a 5Ds Mark II shooting 4K than it would to see a 5D Mark IV doing 4K. High resolution stills, high resolution video.

It'll probably be the other way around, it's more difficult to produce a decent video image when trying to downsample from a very high resolution sensor. I wouldn't be surprised if both cameras have 4K, but most who focus on video will lean towards the lower resolution sensor.