There Will be a 4K 5D Camera [CR2]

[dolina]

Since Japanese hate the number 4, i can totally see a 5dp (5d Photo) and a 5dc (5d Cinema).

Yet one of the best in the 1-Series line was the still viable 1D Mk4. :

-pw

It was quickly replaced in less than two years by the 1D X.

1D X was announced in October 2011 and the replacement will start shipping by mid-April 2016.

 

[ijohnsson]

Stands to reason that the 5DS will go away next generation like the D800. While I personally like the AA filter, the internet hordes of pixel peepers hate it. These are the folks that will pixel peep all day and admire the detail and resolution, but ignores the destruction of IQ due to moire. A bizarre contradiction. Anyway, not trying to sidetrack the discussion.

The 5Ds DOES have an AA filter, whereas the 5DsR does not. I own the 5DsR and have never ever seen any moire problem. Seems you have the model numbers confused?

 

[plam_1980]

<em>“there will be a 5D camera that shoots 4K video”</em>

So then...
5D mark 5? mark 6?

Hahaha...
Sorry, couldn't resist the bad joke.

Bad joke? I don't get it. Is that why it's bad?
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I also needed some time to get it. Because the rumour says that "there will be a 5D camera that shoots 4K video” but it doesn't mention when or which, his joke is that it will not be the next one but a future one.

 

[3kramd5]

Stands to reason that the 5DS will go away next generation like the D800. While I personally like the AA filter, the internet hordes of pixel peepers hate it. These are the folks that will pixel peep all day and admire the detail and resolution, but ignores the destruction of IQ due to moire. A bizarre contradiction. Anyway, not trying to sidetrack the discussion.

The 5Ds DOES have an AA filter, whereas the 5DsR does not. I own the 5DsR and have never ever seen any moire problem. Seems you have the model numbers confused?

I don't think the model numbers are confused. ijohnsson expects Canon to drop the model with the LPF (5Ds), like Nikon did when they went from D800E -> D810, dropping the D800 offering.

 

[nautal]

Honestly, I think there are some real improvements that were talked about when 5d3 came out.

Canon needs/should increase the dynamic range. Megapixels are great, 30 does sound like a sweet spot (I'm not doing the math, Just sayin'), however, if I could get the dynamic range it would be amazing.

Second, Spread the AF points over larger part of the sensor, 61 points is enough. I know there is some real physics based restrictions on the accuracy as you get towards the edges of the frame but come on it would really help push back on the mirrorless crowd. As mirrorless seems to have edge to edge coverage on atleast some cameras.

Third, clean up A/D converter signal, IE, less noise. The 5d3 is amazing, but this is an evolution so progress.

Fourth, Have a way to get 4k raw"ish" out of camera and make it difficult ie, cheap implementation, out of the camera. That way entry videographers will have to spend almost as much on accessories to get the raw file as the camera but atleast they will shutup about it.

Do not:
put in tilt screen, if you want that go buy a point and shoot, rebel, etc or as most pros using 1d/5d get an external monitor.
I don't want to be going through the jungle or next to a waterfall I don't want a cheap tilt screen that can allow water to get in and have another thing I have to clean under.
Give us 4k at 24fps only in jpeg with S-log.

 

[3kramd5]

Megapixels are great, 30 does sound like a sweet spot (I'm not doing the math, Just sayin')

What math would define a resolution sweetspot?

however, if I could get the dynamic range it would be amazing.

What is the dynamic range you'd be amazed to get?

 

[Ozarker]

Since Japanese hate the number 4, i can totally see a 5dp (5d Photo) and a 5dc (5d Cinema).

Yet one of the best in the 1-Series line was the still viable 1D Mk4. :

-pw

And let's forget about all those 4 cylinder engines, The Mazda RX4 (which had a Wankel engine). The Japanese "shi" (4) depends upon the context. The Japanese do not "hate" the number "shi". They hate what it can sound like (the word for death). My Judo instructor always had us count: ichi, ni, san, shi. He was Japanese and had no problem with it.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

This is exactly it. Even if there is a 5D with 4K, it will be the same low quality compressed crap the 1DX has. Perhaps Magic Lantern will eventually give us access to RAW, perhaps not, but on release we will have crappy 4K.

Low quality at 800Mb/s! Sheesh how long have you been testing your 1DXII camera to come to that conclusion.

 

[extide]

And let's forget about all those 4 cylinder engines, The Mazda RX4 (which had a Wankel engine). The Japanese "shi" (4) depends upon the context. The Japanese do not "hate" the number "shi". They hate what it can sound like (the word for death). My Judo instructor always had us count: ichi, ni, san, shi. He was Japanese and had no problem with it.

It was the RX7 and RX8, I don't think there ever was an RX4.

 

[nautal]

Megapixels are great, 30 does sound like a sweet spot (I'm not doing the math, Just sayin')

What math would define a resolution sweetspot?

however, if I could get the dynamic range it would be amazing.

What is the dynamic range you'd be amazed to get?

1. Did you read the quote, "I'm not doing the math"?
But since you are a techy math person that is more interested in numbers that you can crunch and analyze than getting out there and shooting something that will move people, accelerate your career, touch your soul..
6708x4472= 30MP= 5.3666 Pixel Pitch which is close to 4.11 microns Pixel pitch 7d Mark II giving better reach, closer than predicate 5d3, while being able to use all my full frame glass (no crop center of glass) without buying an extra sensor/camera.
Having the advantage of larger Pixels for light gathering, benefits of FF, etc.
Second, 30MP is easy to figure out the minimum count of shots will fill up a particular card/HDD/etc instead of 20.2 or 24.x,50.xMP, etc.
Third, it gives us a rough 1.75:2.0 ratio (UHD) (1.638:2.07 4K), granted it is not the ideal 36MP(UHD), but this is a good comprise for a camera designed for stills with options for light videography.

2. A true 16+ stops of dynamic range using Canon Log2.

And I would like to add to my list, low light color noise control, we all know that color noise is something canon's have had, particularly red, less on blue but still prominent. Smoothing would go along way in low light situations for the new sensor.