There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[Bert63]

How well does EF glass "actually" perform on an R5?

It performs flawlessly on my EOS-R - I doubt the R5 will be any different.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Maybe but only because R5 came first. If 5DV were to appear 1 year before R5 we cannot know how well it would sell.

If we follow 5D line life cycle, the 5DV would be due this year. Instead we have the R5. Which indicates, implicitly Canon tells us 'R5 = 5DV'.
Best case Canon releases 5DV next year so that it doesn't compete with the R5. But most likely this rumour is true and we'll never see the 5DV.

 

[schiueva]

How well does EF glass "actually" perform on an R5?

I don’t know about R5. But on eosr Most EF glass is not as sharp as the R glass at the corner. The performance is similar to me.

 

[MinoltaSRT101]

I have a 5diii and an EOS R. I wear glasses and often shoot action in bright sunshine. The action can be difficult to follow with the R. Also, I sometimes find the glare causes it to be very difficult to see through the viewfinder in the R, but have no such issues with the optical viewfinder. I've ordered the R5 with the hope that both problems are resolved. They've talked about the refresh rate resolving the lag, but I have not heard anything about the glare issues for eyeglass wearers. I love the R's electronic viewfinder in all other situations.

 

[tron]

Part of me is sad to see the 5D line go, but another part of me couldn't care less... because I have no intention of owning another DSLR.

Just saying that still feels weird...but one look at my gear shelf and my entire inventory of DSLRs has been replaced and greatly surpassed by mirrorless cameras.

The lone survivor for me is my 1DX Mark II. Now that's potentially going to be replaced by the R5? It will all depend on battery life. Haha

Battery endurance is important to me and it seems that we are talking a 5 times difference! The only mitigation to this issue is the capability of R5 and R6 to be charged by a capable compatible PD battery bank.

 

[BeenThere]

Also, if true, this would mean the beginning of the end of the chunky grip for the 99% of us who don't shoot a 1-series body.

The 'mirrorless is all about being small' may have utterly lost the argument at this point (I refer you to a growing tide of awesome RF pickle jar lenses), but they did push Canon into an A7-ification of the body/grip strategy.

R/R5 have much better grips than A7, but you take my point: Canon doesn't seem to be scaling up grip and body sizes for bodies more likely to be toting those huge lenses. This is Canon following suit to Sony in broad strokes rather than sticking to its guns, which has got to be painful for them. One can only assume they have market data that shows that the R platform is 'first impressions DOA' if they went with SLR-experience informed chunky grips.

I personally loved Canon's old model. The nicer the rig --> more likely bigger glass is going on it --> you get a chunkier grip. #sadness

- A

I think body size has still got to shake out over time. What makes sense to me is 1. For those wanting a minimalist body, you go for the M-System. 2. For those who mount pickle jars, supertelephotos, or who want body heat sinks for longer video recordings. — well we will have to see where that goes, but somewhat bigger than R would work for me.

 

[Bert63]

Let the haranguing begin! I am fine with killing off the 5D line as it appears the advantages of the R line far outweigh any benefits of the EF mount. Canon needs to put their energy and R&D dollars into tuning the platform and lens design to take further advantage of the new mount. They have so many holes to fill in the lens lineup and they still need to produce some additional compelling lenses to compete with offerings from others (Sony, Nikon, Sigma, etc.).

I would like to see the R line move to more of a Tesla platform with significant improvements in the platform being release via firmware upgrades.

I would also like to see more EF replacement+ and exotics that couldn't be done before in the R mount. These might include UWA at f2.8, additional macro options, TS lenses, a bunch of handhold able super telephoto lenses (400, 500, 600) and some longer telephoto zoom (200-400, 200-600, etc.). Too many to name at the entry level and high end.

Those efforts require a lot of focus and investment. I think they clearly made the point with the release of the R5 and R6 that it is game on for mirrorless and all of their efforts are shifting in this direction for the next decade.

Bob

You had me until you said Tesla.

 

[Colorado]

Or, perhaps means that pre-sales are not that amazing, with lots of 5 series users reporting back that they will just wait to see what gives with a 5Dv before making a decision, and Canon have decided that a 'helpful' rumour leak to push ditherers (like me) over the edge and more firmly into the R5/6 camp may be useful......?

The decisions to develop (or not develop) a particular camera model likely happens years in advance of release. The rumor even states the decision was made "some time ago". So the decision wasn't made based on R5 presales numbers. This is where the oft-disparaged executives make their money. They have to decide a high level strategy direction based on very fuzzy data. Meaning their market analysis showed the R5 would be feature complete enough for it to make sense to discontinue the 5D line. Some may call that a gamble but in terms of bringing a product to market (any complex product, not just cameras) it is just how businesses are forced to operate.

 

[MORphoto.net]

Duh. I would seriously question Canon's business direction if they did put out a mark V ... a camera that can only have disadvantages from mirrorless. An OVF was an advantage years ago when mirrorless just kinda sucked. I'm still surprised they put out the 1DX mark III just to appease those that still can't even accept that film is dead. Canon will never make another EF lens, so why would they make more high end DSLRs? I can maybe see bottom end Rebels, but that's it.

 

[RobbieHat]

I do birding with 5DsR and I like it a lot! Recently I replaced it with a new one (and I part exchanged the older one for another product). I am not envy of these things. I also have a 5DIV for low light/landscape/general purpose shots.

I too shoot birds and astro with the 5DSR and it is not ideal for either. Too slow for BIF and rarely locks focus (much less acquires focus) when I shoot birds. When it hits it is awesome. Great detail and ability to crop without significant loss of resolution. But it is frustrating for moving subjects. As for astro, I just used it last night on comet and MW. Too much noise and inability to handle higher ISO. As a result, I have to pair it with super fast UWA Sigma lenses to get decent shots.

I will happily replace my 5DSR for all the improvements the R5 promises for my style of shooting. I might also add the high MP body for landscape work when it is introduced but will likely give that one some time to understand what tradeoffs come with so many MP and if it is more of a studio beast or will work well in the wild.

Bob

 

[Bert63]

At 120Hz, EVF isn't far off a real-time OVF. And EVFs are actually better in the dark. OVFs are on a very thin ice at the moment.

I'll go further - the ability to see how my on-the-fly changes to my settings as I pursue a target (usually a uncooperative bird) in real time has made me a better photographer.

Unlike studios or even the posed pictures at weddings, wildlife is very unforgiving. You can't ask the critter for a do over, or move them into better light, or whatever. Being able to see what you're doing 'at that very instant' often makes the difference between a keeper and having another blurred over/under 'one that got away...'

I'm nowhere near as experienced or intelligent when it comes to the true mechanics of photography as many here are - the level of knowledge is astounding and it's one of the reasons I like this place so much. But I do know what works for me and the EVF is amazing.

The EOS-R's EVF isn't the greatest but I've learned to work around it and still prefer it to the OVF on my 5D4. I can't want to see the YOOOOOOGE OLED 120hz display on the R5.

 

[RobbieHat]

You had me until you said Tesla.

LOL. Certainly not with all the drama that surrounds the CEO, but the idea of a platform that improves significantly overtime via SW updates is intriguing. It has certainly thrown the auto industry into a tailspin and has been a successful platform for smartphones for some time. Could be an interesting approach for cameras as well. At least to extend a platform's life or offer add-ons as a subscription fee (SW defined ND filters, different SW defined low pass filters for different use cases (astro, landscape, studio (fabric), wildlife, etc.). Different or customizable image cropping sizes. The list goes on and on.

 

[zim]

RIP OVF and f/1.4 lenses sometimes you've just gotta let go. I know I have. Queue Titanic film ending.....

 

[privatebydesign]

User base, yes. Market expansion? Not so much IMO. I love and use my 5D4 alongside the EOS-R but I prefer mirrorless. When the R5 gets here the go to will be the EOS-R and the R5.

There is no ILC market expansion!

 

[Jonathan Thill]

And that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I will keep trying them out but don’t take them seriously yet as much of my real use involves looking through a viewfinder for hours at a time and I haven’t found one that comes close the experience of an OVF. They are different and always will be, that EVF‘s are capable of functionality impossible in an OVF isn’t the point, that OVF’s are capable of things that EVF’s are not is. No EVF will ever be able to stay on for hours and not use any battery power, no EVF will ever have zero lag...

You have a valid use case that I think many photographers of rare or hard to photograph animals can relate to. That said I do think an EVF with zero perceived lag is very possible and only a matter of time but the use case of using little or no power is a tough nut to crack.

One area I am hoping the early reviews will look at is powering the R5/R6 with PD powerbanks from companies like Anker. While I do not have same requirement to look through a OVF/EVF for hours I do want to be able to run some extreme time-lapses and my EOS R just never was able to because of battery life. The 2 Anker PD powerbanks I have charge the EOS R just fine but will not power the R. I hope this has been changed for the R5/R6.

 

[Bert63]

LOL. Certainly not with all the drama that surrounds the CEO, but the idea of a platform that improves significantly overtime via SW updates is intriguing. It has certainly thrown the auto industry into a tailspin and has been a successful platform for smartphones for some time. Could be an interesting approach for cameras as well. At least to extend a platform's life or offer add-ons as a subscription fee (SW defined ND filters, different SW defined low pass filters for different use cases (astro, landscape, studio (fabric), wildlife, etc.). Different or customizable image cropping sizes. The list goes on and on.

Their quality ratings are in the toilet - that's where I as going. Good battery bolted to a pile of junk IMO.

 

[ahsanford]

What company is still putting out modern SLRs that is not sometime in the near future going to abandon them as well?

Why Pentax is Making the Right Call in Sticking with DSLRs

As the majority of camera manufacturers move away from the SLR type cameras and start producing mirrorless systems, one company continues to hold on to

petapixel.com

And I don't know medium format platforms at all, but I would imagine they, too have some folks that are harumph-ing at the death of the mirror.

SLRs will become niche over time, I agree, but not every manufacturer wants to make the massive investment just to climb into now piranha-filled waters of a mirrorless marketplace. Only the largest companies will survive that winnowing process.

- A

 

[twoheadedboy]

OVF’s are on no more thin ice than film cameras. There are millions of them out there and millions more bargain lenses as the majority transition to MILC’s, but they work perfectly and unlike film cameras they don’t rely on anything else. 120Hz might be better than 60Hz, but many users will never transition fully or even partially to battery hungry EVF’s. Who cares if there isn’t another generation of OVF cameras? I don’t, I know and fully accept the limitations in my image making are my own, not because I don’t have more FPS, an EVF, RF lenses, eye tracking etc etc.

The argument isn't about existing gear, it's about "why isn't Canon going to make new cameras with OVF?"

 

[ahsanford]

By the end of 2021 you may only find them used.

Umm, didn't Canon's last film camera have an eighteen year production run?

If there will be no 5D5, the 5D4 production lifecycle just got extended, one would think.

- A

 

[StoicalEtcher]

The decisions to develop (or not develop) a particular camera model likely happens years in advance of release. The rumor even states the decision was made "some time ago". So the decision wasn't made based on R5 presales numbers. This is where the oft-disparaged executives make their money. They have to decide a high level strategy direction based on very fuzzy data. Meaning their market analysis showed the R5 would be feature complete enough for it to make sense to discontinue the 5D line. Some may call that a gamble but in terms of bringing a product to market (any complex product, not just cameras) it is just how businesses are forced to operate.

Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with you - it was the timing of the 'leak/rumour' I would raise an eyebrow too, rather than timing of any decision re a 5Dv.
Cheers