There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[Juangrande]

I did not state an opinion, but, yes I do give a lot of weight to my opinion.

Well stated

 

[dak3]

Customers who have EF system have an already very mature product line of bodies, lens and accessories to chose from.

The last EF product I've bought is the 5Ds R bought over 5 years ago. I might buy the last EF body produced just for kicks within the next 5 years.

But to be honest I really wish I never bought any of my gear. Should have took up my MBA instead of wasting time photographing stupid birds.

I'm sorry that you did not enjoy investing in photography equipment to photograph stupid birds. Since our planet is literally dying, it could be argued that one day, in a not so distant future, people will be craving to experience the beauty, simplicity, calmness, and environment of birds in an attempt to desperately capture that fragile world with photography / videography once again. By then, it will be too late. Given that 200,000 Americans graduate with an MBA every year, with no guarantee of making money or being happy, one could argue that the illusion imposed by society to the individual seeking their dream to be 'successful and happy' via another expensive degree is a deceitful ploy. Happiness is all in the eye of the beholder, and for so many photographers around the world, the personal 'value' of photographing the beauty of wildlife cannot be measured equally with societal value. In the end, to each their own.

 

[LSXPhotog]

Battery endurance is important to me and it seems that we are talking a 5 times difference! The only mitigation to this issue is the capability of R5 and R6 to be charged by a capable compatible PD battery bank.

Battery life concerns the hell out of me because of the IBIS, I would like to know if I can fully turn it off and just use EF lens IS or not. But the CIPA battery rating is a joke. It rates the M6 Mark II at something like 280 shots and I routinely get 800-1100 images every time I use that camera before the battery needs to be swapped. Then we have the EOS R! It says like 340 shots and I get upward of 2200 with the grip. I'll shoot an entire wedding day on just 2 batteries and that's something I can't even remember being able to get away with when I used my 5D4 and 5D3 - but I could be mistaken. Either way, I'm pretty confident I can get 800-1000 per battery and hopefully over 1600 with the grip.

 

[LSXPhotog]

Your signature is stuff of legends

LMAO!! That's the benefit of never switching from Canon, I suppose. I never had to take the hit on flipping gear and I upgraded along the way as new lenses would come out - slowly filled my bag with the lenses I wanted. I'm getting out of weddings so I'll probably be parting ways with the 24mm and 35mm primes and 24-70...maybe even the 70-200. But the rest of the gear all serve a vital role in the bag for the many hats I wear.

 

[slclick]

I think the real question is whether there will be a thread named:

There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR3]

 

[Ozarker]

I know it won't happen, but after watching some Youtube videos of the animal eye-AF of the R5/R6 in action... I wish there could be a firmware update that would add this to the R. I'd sell something and get an RF 800mm f/11!

 

[Ronsw]

Also, if true, this would mean the beginning of the end of the chunky grip for the 99% of us who don't shoot a 1-series body.

The 'mirrorless is all about being small' may have utterly lost the argument at this point (I refer you to a growing tide of awesome RF pickle jar lenses), but they did push Canon into an A7-ification of the body/grip strategy.

R/R5 have much better grips than A7, but you take my point: Canon doesn't seem to be scaling up grip and body sizes for bodies more likely to be toting those huge lenses. This is Canon following suit to Sony in broad strokes rather than sticking to its guns, which has got to be painful for them. One can only assume they have market data that shows that the R platform is 'first impressions DOA' if they went with SLR-experience informed chunky grips.

I personally loved Canon's old model. The nicer the rig --> more likely bigger glass is going on it --> you get a chunkier grip. #sadness

- A

I have a problem with Canon DLSRs without the battery grip. The are just too small. Having a smaller camera is not something I want. Yes I carry a 5D with a 70-200mm F2.8L and Speedlite 600ex for up to 9 hours a day. Don't use a strap. The weight doesn't bother me. Small grip does.

 

[Juangrande]

How well does EF glass "actually" perform on an R5?

According to a Canon Ambassador in their own YouTube comment thread (and further responding to my own follow up question) not as good as RF glass. They said not as sharp in their testing with lens calibration and naked eye. They had planned to keep their favorite EF lenses but decided after trying both mounts to replace with RF. Said the EF lenses were softer on the R5. I don’t know if that’s an issue of adapting the mount or if the R5 just out resolves the EF glass. I should’ve asked if it was the same with the R6. They also said the EF glass was perfectly sharp on their 5Dmk4 bodies, just soft on the R5.

 

[Juangrande]

I'm not butt hurt or screaming into a pillow or anything. My next camera will be mirrorless, personally.

But I am not one of the army of working professionals at weddings toting a 5D today. I think saying goodbye to that brand that quickly would be a mistake, but I don't have Canon's internal numbers to say 'See, look how many there are!'.

- A

“I’m not butt hurt or screaming into a pillow or anything...”
I’m so stealing this quote lol.

 

[blackcoffee17]

Battery life concerns the hell out of me because of the IBIS, I would like to know if I can fully turn it off and just use EF lens IS or not. But the CIPA battery rating is a joke. It rates the M6 Mark II at something like 280 shots and I routinely get 800-1100 images every time I use that camera before the battery needs to be swapped. Then we have the EOS R! It says like 340 shots and I get upward of 2200 with the grip. I'll shoot an entire wedding day on just 2 batteries and that's something I can't even remember being able to get away with when I used my 5D4 and 5D3 - but I could be mistaken. Either way, I'm pretty confident I can get 800-1000 per battery and hopefully over 1600 with the grip.

Mirrorless and CIPA ratings are interesting because a battery can last 2 shots or 1000, depends how are you measuring it and how you use it.
If you admire every new shot on the LCD for 10 minutes, you won't take many shots obviously. On a DSLR you could watch a bird in the OVF for hours with almost zero battery usage.

 

[privatebydesign]

According to a Canon Ambassador in their own YouTube comment thread (and further responding to my own follow up question) not as good as RF glass. They said not as sharp in their testing with lens calibration and naked eye. They had planned to keep their favorite EF lenses but decided after trying both mounts to replace with RF. Said the EF lenses were softer on the R5. I don’t know if that’s an issue of adapting the mount or if the R5 just out resolves the EF glass. I should’ve asked if it was the same with the R6. They also said the EF glass was perfectly sharp on their 5Dmk4 bodies, just soft on the R5.

I don’t believe that but even if it was verifiable fact it is a singular data point. However my main issue is Canon don’t make RF glass the same as my most popular EF glass so what choice do I personally have? Oh, and the various RF to EF adapters give me functionality EF lenses on EF camera don’t have over and above a final percentage or two of sharpness (which I believe is severely overrated as a lens metric).

 

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According to a Canon Ambassador in their own YouTube comment thread (and further responding to my own follow up question) not as good as RF glass. They said not as sharp in their testing with lens calibration and naked eye. They had planned to keep their favorite EF lenses but decided after trying both mounts to replace with RF. Said the EF lenses were softer on the R5. I don’t know if that’s an issue of adapting the mount or if the R5 just out resolves the EF glass. I should’ve asked if it was the same with the R6. They also said the EF glass was perfectly sharp on their 5Dmk4 bodies, just soft on the R5.

The tests you refer to are comparing EF glass versus rough equivalent RF glass, and indeed - not surprisingly - the newer designs, with newer coatings, are superior. However, if you compare EF lenses on the 5D4 with EF lenses on the R, you'll find that the adapter makes absolutely no difference to image quality. So, the upshot is that your EF lenses will be just as good on the R. They won't magically be better, however.

 

[Danglin52]

If this is true I readily admit I'm surprised. I was pretty certain that Canon would continued the 5D line indefinitely. Not the first time I would be wrong.

However, I would caution everyone that this is nothing to celebrate. If Canon has truly made the decision to walk away from the most popular full frame DSLR series ever made, it's a very bad sign for the future of the dedicated camera market. I am afraid that enthusiast and professional interchangeable lens cameras are going to get more expensive and the options available to consumers will be limited. Is the R the future of photography or is it just a "Hail Mary" pass at the end of the fourth quarter with smartphones about to drive a final nail into the coffin of the industry?

Even if Canon has not come out and announced that the R5 is the next generation of the 5 series, what is the R5 missing that would be in an 5d V other than EF mount, battery life and undefined EVF latency? You also have to ask what WOULDN'T be in the 5d V as you look at the 1d III being pushed by the R5/R6 (feature and AF, not build and other 1DX unique features) . As to pricing issues, the 5dIV launched in 2016 @ $3,499 which is $3,758 in 2020 dollars. This is the currency difference and may not reflect the additional development, manufacturing and logistics factored into the additional $241 sales price. Canon has at least given us a way to bridge from the EF to R platform which doesn't always happen in other industries.

 

[Ozarker]

The tests you refer to are comparing EF glass versus rough equivalent RF glass, and indeed - not surprisingly - the newer designs, with newer coatings, are superior. However, if you compare EF lenses on the 5D4 with EF lenses on the R, you'll find that the adapter makes absolutely no difference to image quality. So, the upshot is that your EF lenses will be just as good on the R. They won't magically be better, however.

Unless one is terrible with AFMA, like me, then the same glass on the R is far better.

 

[trulandphoto]

Continue reading...

I'll predict a 5D Mark IV SE with updated processor and firmware, same sensor and body.

 

[tron]

Even if Canon has not come out and announced that the R5 is the next generation of the 5 series, what is the R5 missing that would be in an 5d V other than EF mount, battery life and undefined EVF latency? You also have to ask what WOULDN'T be in the 5d V as you look at the 1d III being pushed by the R5/R6 (feature and AF, not build and other 1DX unique features) . As to pricing issues, the 5dIV launched in 2016 @ $3,499 which is $3,758 in 2020 dollars. This is the currency difference and may not reflect the additional development, manufacturing and logistics factored into the additional $241 sales price. Canon has at least given us a way to bridge from the EF to R platform which doesn't always happen in other industries.

You answered that yourself perfectly: An EF mount and an optical viewfinder.

 

[scyrene]

As for NEOWISE, If you didn't catch it at its brightest point from a dark sky, then you missed the chance to shoot it with "normal" lenses. You would have needed a tracking mount for a good, telephoto NEOWISE shot last night.

I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your comment, but for this I'd just say, I photographed the comet 2 nights ago and it was fine. 180mm f/2.8, no tracking, a stack of 28x~3sec exposures brought out adequate detail. I would like to try with a tracking mount, but the northern sky is so bright here (partly due to the time of year, partly where I am due to light pollution), I'm not sure how much better it would be.

 

[YuengLinger]

5DIV. FOUR. Remember that some Asians, because the number 4 is associated with death, are reluctant to name anything with a 4 in it or even to have a phone number with a four in it. It has been a few years now, but I vaguely remember a few posts wondering what number would follow the the 5DIII.

In any event, it appears the curse of the number four continues. Death for the full frame DSLR. (At least for the 5D series.)

 

[Juangrande]

The tests you refer to are comparing EF glass versus rough equivalent RF glass, and indeed - not surprisingly - the newer designs, with newer coatings, are superior. However, if you compare EF lenses on the 5D4 with EF lenses on the R, you'll find that the adapter makes absolutely no difference to image quality. So, the upshot is that your EF lenses will be just as good on the R. They won't magically be better, however.

I posted that that was the first time I had ever heard anyone say the EF lenses were any different adapted on mirrorless bodies. ( I should note that all mentions prior were using the EOS R or RP and not on the R5 so maybe that’s a factor) they responded “don’t believe it”.
I hope their wrong because I can’t afford to replace all my glass right away and want to sell my mk4 when I upgrade. I may have to hold on to it. Perhaps they are hyper critical as well.
We’ll see soon enough.

 

[tron]

5DIV. FOUR. Remember that some Asians, because the number 4 is associated with death, are reluctant to name anything with a 4 in it or even to have a phone number with a four in it. It has been a few years now, but I vaguely remember a few posts wondering what number would follow the the 5DIII.

In any event, it appears the curse of the number four continues. Death for the full frame DSLR. (At least for the 5D series.)

It had (has) a very good life and the next wouldn't have 4 in it!