There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[jolyonralph]

Ive the EOS R and a 5DS. I like using the EOS R as a walk-around / landscape camera but it frustrates the hell out of me using it for portraits. The 5DS is so much better as a portrait camera than the EOS R and not just because it 50mp as opposed to 30mp.
I will be considering the purchase of the R5 but I'm not getting rid of the 5DS just yet.

You're absolutely right on this, and this is why I've still got the 5DSR for now.

 

[Starting out EOS R]

Though it may well be that the R5 is just as tough as the 5D Mark IV, many of us old-timers still associate "large and heavy" with "tough" and "compact and light" with "not quite as tough."

It's funny what you get used to over time. I loved my 7D mkII but after several days in New York carting it around, I developed arm and shoulder ache. When the R was launched it looked to be a great replacement and a step up to full frame. Little did I know about it's limitations with FPS and AF. it was smaller and lighter but it just felt solid and heavy enough to be robust. I've used it for a year and love it for landscapes but have adapted my style for moving objects and find I take it out more because it is smaller and lighter but have had no concerns about it being delicate.

I'm trading it in for an R5 as it looks like that will give me the FPS and it's also slightly chunkier & heavier but not a brick like the 7DMKII. It's not cheap but it's a win for me, plus the bonus of some amazing video options. Time will tell I suppose. I now find myself with no camera body and a wait until the R5 comes. Hopefully that will be soon after 30/07/20.

 

[Skyscraperfan]

The only real advantage of mirrorless cameras I see so far is the IBIS. I hope they will one day put an IBIS into a DSLR, even if that means that this stabilization is not visible through the OVF, but only on the final photo, which is somehow confusing and a departure from the principle that you can preview the exact framing through the viewfinder.

My Canon DSLR came out in 2012 and even until today there is nothing besides IBIS I really miss at the camera on the still images side. And if you need a high resolution, there is nothing besides IBIS that really misses at the 5Ds R. Both could have better noise of course, but mirrorless cameras do not solve that problem.

And please do not make pro cameras smaller and lighter! Even customers complain, if you charge them a lot of money for photos taken by a small camera. Therefore some photographers even put a battery grip at their Sony A9, even if they do not need that extra battery capacity. A professional truck is much larger than a private car. The same should be true for cameras.

 

[Deleted member 26434]

The only real advantage of mirrorless cameras I see so far is the IBIS.

For my purposes, AF right across the image is a big one. I am prepared to accept a degraded viewfinder experience compared to a DSLR given the DSLR can't do that - but not really for general use where I don't need that AF.

I see IBIS more as a disadvantage for my particular use case.

I'm probably not alone in considering a mirrorless + 1 lens for that use case, and to stay with my DSLR stuff for other uses. That's why Canon would be wrong to assume a "general purpose" R5 could replace a "general purpose" 5D.

After all, in the film era some people owned a 35mm SLR + long lens for one purpose and a rollfilm Hasselblad for another.

 

[Michael Clark]

For my purposes, AF right across the image is a big one. I am prepared to accept a degraded viewfinder experience compared to a DSLR given the DSLR can't do that - but not really for general use where I don't need that AF.

I see IBIS more as a disadvantage for my particular use case.

I'm probably not alone in considering a mirrorless + 1 lens for that use case, and to stay with my DSLR stuff for other uses. That's why Canon would be wrong to assume a "general purpose" R5 could replace a "general purpose" 5D.

After all, in the film era some people owned a 35mm SLR + long lens for one purpose and a rollfilm Hasselblad for another.

On the other hand, in the film era the cost of bodies contributed far less towards the total cost per frame than in the digital era. You selected the lens you needed for a job, then got a body that matched that lens. The cost of film and developing dwarfed the cost of bodies over the life of the camera.

 

[chik0240]

Ok, that's a sad enough news for me. Personally I can understand the financial standpoint of that and I agree that the R5 and R6 looks to have such impressive spec.

But personally I likely will stick to my 5D III for much longer time before I would change to mirrorless, after all acquiring all those L glass is not a cheap and easy thing to do, it takes me around 10 years to buy all those I would like to have, and I am absolutely not changing all those to the RF for better IQ than the already very good EF L glass. and while the EOS R5 and R6 are guaranteed to work great with adapted EF lens, now the native mount tie to me is gone and I am open to other brand mirrorless as most have some kind of fully working EF lens adapter ready on the market. Likely I will wait for Sigma Foven MILC or try the panasonic or Leica colour when I feel the price performance is ready. now personally the game is open for me to see which system I will go next, the RF lenses to me is way to big for those crazy spec and far too expensive to make me jump directly into it

 

[Michael Clark]

At 120Hz, EVF isn't far off a real-time OVF. And EVFs are actually better in the dark. OVFs are on a very thin ice at the moment.

It all depends upon the use case. EVF is better for some things, OVF is better for other things. Both have their advantages.

 

[Michael Clark]

I don't know about that one. They are the guys who tried to tell the people they don't need 24p, and maintain a similar position about many other features. There is a reason Magic Lantern existed. There is nothing wrong with it and I agree that crippling is the wrong word. But as I see it, Canon absolutely has an image of what the majority of people value enough to pay for and is comfortably withholding things that they don't really need. Even though they want it.

I can see how Canon sees the 5D V as one of those things. People want it, but the majority may not need it enough to make it worth putting the effort into a fading system.

Canon didn't really try to tell anyone they didn't need 24P, they just didn't realize there were that many people in other world areas besides Japan that used it at the level it is used in the U.S. and Western Europe. As soon as they discovered how big a deal it was to many of their customers, they quickly added it to those models.

 

[Michael Clark]

...to you. Agree with most of your points, but to answer your question:

"Why would a person switch their entire system - not just body, lenses and flashes and everything else - just to avoid Canon mirrorless?"​

The answer might be:

• Someone has been shooting with an SLR since forever and does not want to give up that experience
• They hate EVFs altogther or never could get over the 'weirdness' first stages of trying one out
• They value something very highly that only an OVF can do -- responsiveness, use as a power-free spotting scope for wildlife, etc.
• They are luddites who trust principally mechanical devices more than overly electronic ones
• Perhaps they don't trust/like/want to deal with adaptors for their EF glass
• This may not be mirrorless related at all -- perhaps they have huge hands and don't want to downgrade their grip, ergonomics, handling, etc. with the R platform's more compact setup.

- A

The true Luddites never went to the EOS system in the first place.

"An all electronic connection between lens and camera? Are you kidding me? How can I use it when my battery is dead?"

 

[Skyscraperfan]

A compromise for me would be using a DSLR for photos and an R5 for heating my house in winter.

 

[Michael Clark]

Umm, didn't Canon's last film camera have an eighteen year production run?

If there will be no 5D5, the 5D4 production lifecycle just got extended, one would think.

- A

They had existing stocks for eighteen years after it was introduced. I don't think anyone outside of Canon actually knows when the last one was made.

It may well be that the last 5D Mark IV has already been made and stockpiled and existing stocks will last for a few years, or they may still be making them every month. Back when L lenses had decodable date codes, there are multi-year gaps in some of the less popular lenses between production runs.

 

[schiueva]

You have a valid use case that I think many photographers of rare or hard to photograph animals can relate to. That said I do think an EVF with zero perceived lag is very possible and only a matter of time but the use case of using little or no power is a tough nut to crack.

One area I am hoping the early reviews will look at is powering the R5/R6 with PD powerbanks from companies like Anker. While I do not have same requirement to look through a OVF/EVF for hours I do want to be able to run some extreme time-lapses and my EOS R just never was able to because of battery life. The 2 Anker PD powerbanks I have charge the EOS R just fine but will not power the R. I hope this has been changed for the R5/R6.

EVF are great but using it couple hours straight On events and wedding, hurt my eyes. It never happen to me with ovf. Lol

 

[Michael Clark]

The battery life is an issue but it's solved through having multiple batteries. Not ideal but works.

EVF lag at 120fps is 0.0083s. It's 10-20 times less than typical human reaction time. At 120fps it makes the reaction worse by 5-10%. But if you shoot in bursts it doesn't matter, you just need to start a burst upfront.

I've shot concerts/action, looking through the OVF for hours. It causes me neck pain unless I adjust a monopod or my own position very carefully. But even if my neck is ok I get a sore eye. It's not so good to use only one eye for hours. So this point comes down to very specific individual preferences. Next time maybe I'll try LCD/LiveView for action on the R5 and its allegedly fantastic autofocus, but there will be no opportunities till the end of the year due to corona.

You make a false assumption that at 120 fps there are not multiple frame in the pipeline simultaneously.

 

[rwvaughn]

We won't be able to infer that until two or three years from now.

Canon doesn't release sales figures for individual models. We don't know how R5 were pre-ordered, it could have been 10,000 or a million. We don't know how that compares to 5D4 pre-sales.

But we do know that the majority of Canon users have not ordered an R5.

I stand by my statement. The market is bigger than just Canon. The overall market is pushing the industry to mirrorless bodies. Canon follows the industry or falls behind. They aren't going to fall behind so they produced the best product. Nikon and Sony's lenses do not even touch the new RF glass.

 

[mpb001]

Well, I guess I will just keep shooting with my 5DIV. Im not too interested in an R series body. If I decide to try one, I can always rent one first. Im not a fan of battery dependent EVFs, especially when you must make sure the camera is on. Lots of shots to be missed with that.

 

[Michael Clark]

I owned every 5 series from 5D2 to present but I'd never even consider buying another 5D after enjoying the MILC benefits over the past 2.5 years. For sure there would be many who still would but I think Canon is making the right move to end it here (if this rumor is correct).

2.5 years? The EOS R was only released in October 2018, 21 months ago.

 

[degos]

I stand by my statement. The market is bigger than just Canon. The overall market is pushing the industry to mirrorless bodies. Canon follows the industry or falls behind. They aren't going to fall behind so they produced the best product. Nikon and Sony's lenses do not even touch the new RF glass.

I've no objections to using mirrorless but I think it's inaccurate to say that the market is choosing. When there are so few manufacturers of professional cameras, they have the overwhelming power to shape the market to fit their strategy.

Why can't Canon just release a roadmap of future bodies? Why always so secret? Why does this site even have to exist? Because that gives them the power to influence purchasing decisions *now*.

 

[Michael Clark]

Isn't that the same thing as letting buyers (the market) decide?

Not exactly. It's more about giving the market choices they didn't even know they wanted by understanding your potential buyers better than they understand themselves and offering products that you know they will choose before they realize they even want them.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Its just dawned on me that this "leek / press release" might just be Canon marketing team mis-information to help R5 / R6 sales. IE get used to this...it's the new future...like it or lump it. However...those new / nearly new 5D4 cams are looking really good value against the Rf camera. I think Canon will have a backlash from the huge amounts of pros and semi pros who have a strong desire to stay SLR. I feel uncomfortable having my shooting choice manipulated or dictated to by a corporation.

 

[Hector1970]

I’d say Canon don’t plan to produce a 5DV but if they see a demand for it they can easily produce it. It would probably be a minor upgrade to a later sensor (higher MP) and focusing system.
I think there will be a cohort who want OVF and the longer battery life. The EF Mount lens will be widely available for years to come. Adapters are a nuisance. Let’s see what happens. I still love my 5DIV. If I don’t get a photo right it’s definitely not the 5DIV’s fault.