YellowJersey said:TWI by Dustin Abbott said:YellowJersey said:Hi Dustin,
Thanks for this amazing resource. I've currently got the 17-40mm f/4. It's been a very good and loyal friend to me for about 6 years, but I'm thinking it might be time for our dalliance to end as the 16-35mm f/4 is winking flirtatiously at me from behind its fan of $100 bills.
The options I'm looking at are:
Canon 16-35mm f/4 vs my current Canon 17-40mm f/4
Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 vs Samyang/Rokinon 14mm f/2.8
My questions for you, since you've used all of these lenses, are:
1) Landscapes: if I usually shoot stopped down to between f/8 and f/11, will I notice a significant difference between the 17-40 and the 16-35 in terms of image quality? Landscapes in this range take up 95% of my shots, which is why I'm keen on getting the "best" lens I can, but I don't see the point in upgrading if, stopped down, the 16-35 wouldn't be sufficiently better to justify the cost. The Tamron and the Samyang aren't really an option here because I rely heavily on GND and circ pol filters, and the filter options for the bulbous lenses are too big and cumbersome for my style of shooting.
2) Starscapes: I was all set to go with the Samyang before I saw your review of the Tamron. The Samyang is still very attractive, but I'm concerned about its durability. I do a lot of hiking and cycling trips with my gear, so it needs to be able to hold up to demanding conditions. I'm fairly confident the Tamron would hold up, but not so sure about the Samyang. But, as this would be used primarily for the stars, I hesitate to go with the Tamron due to its cost. Do you think the Samyang would hold up to, say, being in my cycling panniers in a padded lens case while riding fast down a very bumpy road?
What are your thoughts? I'm not asking for you to make this decision for me, but just some advice and perspective from someone who has used all these lenses and has a good understanding of how they all perform.
I do think the 16-35 f/4L IS is a significant upgrade over the 17-40L in a number of ways (just about all of them). It's not just resolution stopped down, but in the additional width on the focal length, increased contrast and color fidelity, etc... I do think it is a worthy upgrade.
I have no real questions over the Samyang's durability - just make sure you get a good, centered copy to begin with. Also check to see if it has a reasonably calibrated focus ring.
Sounds good to me. That's exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks!
As for the Samyang, it's certainly back on the table now that they've added a focus confirm chip to the newest version. It sounds like it'll make up for the quirks that comes with having an otherwise all manual lens. Hopefully, they've also improved the QC to deal with the decentering problem. Maybe it would make sense to go with the Samyang and view the Tamron as a potentially longer-term acquisition.
Thanks for your reply. I follow you on youtube. Keep the good stuff coming!
mnclayshooter said:bereninga said:mnclayshooter said:What's a good way to test for decentering on the Samyang/Rokinon 14mm? I haven't ever really noticed a problem with mine, but hey, worth checking if it's relatively easy. I tried searching the forum for tips - but didn't come up with much specific to that lens. Maybe I need to use different search terms.
You can just about take any sort of landscape shot (I'd try f/4 or higher) and look at the sharpness along the edges. If one entire edge is very soft compared to the other side, you probably have a decentered lens. My first copy was decentered, and I sent it in to Rokinon (same company as Samyang and Bower). The seller confirmed the issue and replaced it w/ a new copy and no issues now. The customer service was pretty quick and responsive and easy.
OK, that's what I've done on one other lens after (gasp) dropping it down a mountain-side trail. I was more referring to the false-positives and how to rule them out or rather, what's a good way to test and retest to detect a false positive or a decentered wide-angle lens?
TWI by Dustin Abbott said:mnclayshooter said:bereninga said:mnclayshooter said:What's a good way to test for decentering on the Samyang/Rokinon 14mm? I haven't ever really noticed a problem with mine, but hey, worth checking if it's relatively easy. I tried searching the forum for tips - but didn't come up with much specific to that lens. Maybe I need to use different search terms.
You can just about take any sort of landscape shot (I'd try f/4 or higher) and look at the sharpness along the edges. If one entire edge is very soft compared to the other side, you probably have a decentered lens. My first copy was decentered, and I sent it in to Rokinon (same company as Samyang and Bower). The seller confirmed the issue and replaced it w/ a new copy and no issues now. The customer service was pretty quick and responsive and easy.
OK, that's what I've done on one other lens after (gasp) dropping it down a mountain-side trail. I was more referring to the false-positives and how to rule them out or rather, what's a good way to test and retest to detect a false positive or a decentered wide-angle lens?
I think you've been given the best advice. Try this out in a few difference scenarios to make sure that you don't just have a scene that favors one side. If you isolate a "bad side", trying shooting a scene in portrait orientation and see if the softness transfers to the appropriate area.
Monchoon said:Is there any filter solution in the the works for the Tamron?