Tips on deterring forcible equipment theft while carrying camera?

[kirispupis]

Hehehe... forgetting the fact that the thief has already escalated the situation and we are not mind readers who can ascertain his ultimate intent. You don't know he only wants the camera... especially in the case of females being attacked. Should women in danger of being attacked or raped be told to just lay there and take it? Give the attacker what he wants? Nice. Is that what you would tell your wife or daughter? Or would you rather they be trained to defend themselves with a handgun? That is the choice. Just take whatever the attacker wants to do with you, or fight back.

The law requires only that the gun owner believe his or her life to be in danger or under threat of grave physical harm.

The fact that the thief cannot know, either, whether or not his victim is armed deters crime. He's playing a guessing game.

Your argument is very similar to that of a terrorist. There is no peaceful solution to a problem - only violence. The NRA (which should be considered a terrorist organization) gives a very similar argument - unless you have a gun, you will die.

The problem is, it's completely untrue. The overwhelming majority of us have never been, nor will ever be, in a situation that remotely called for a weapon because we're intelligent human beings who know how to exercise common sense in avoiding trouble.

Unfortunately, due to an amendment to the Constitution that (like the electoral college) was designed to uphold slavery, the sane majority has to put up with this dribble that allows random people at any moment to determine who should die. That is why people are murdered here at a far greater rate than in any stable country. That's why aggravated assault, rape, and robbery occur at a higher rate in the US than in any other 1st world country.

I know that this should be a discussion about camera equipment, but it really roils be every time my kids have to go through an active shooter drill because we live in a country held in terror by a small group of people who want to compensate for their shortcomings with guns and more guns.

I'm glad your 'intelligence' grants you the clairvoyance to foresee all troubling situations and avoid them. We weren't all gifted with your abilities : Likewise it drives me nuts when a small group of people want to compensate for their lack of understanding of firearms and the second amendment by endlessly complaining about them and calling gun owners insane.

The vast majority of "assault, rape, and robbery" that you attribute to firearms are perpetrated by individuals who don't obtain them legally to begin with. So restricting firearms does nothing to stop that from happening.

Honestly though, if you feel you are actively 'held in terror' in this country, why are you here? We've heard just in this thread of so many 'better' places with their gun laws. Maybe one of them wouldn't be as terrifying? It's an honest question. I know I would never want to live anywhere where I felt afraid or unsafe.

Why should I run from terrorists? Why not stand up and scream - or in this case type - that the way things are is not right? Why not demand that we improve our security by following the examples proven by the rest of the world and severely limiting guns?

Why can we not have a logical discussion about what guns/ammunition should be allowed and where, instead of following a law designed to sanction slavery patrols?

No, despite the fact that I am a dual citizen of the US and an EU country, I'm staying here at least until Trump starts a needless war and institutes the draft. Sure, the US has a much higher percentage of racists, bigots, and just plain idiots than any other civilized country, but it's still a land of opportunity and, believe it or not, it's actually possible to live here without people raping me all the time because I don't own a gun.

Real estate is affordable, as is camera equipment. It is a good place to invest, the universities are top notch, and it has many wonderful places to photograph. I'd rather fix the things that are wrong - such as stop bowing to terrorist gun fanatics and - somehow - incarcerate Trump.

 

[MiamiC70]

H&K or Glock work for me

 

[Pookie]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

 

[Hillsilly]

Why not demand that we improve our security by following the examples proven by the rest of the world and severely limiting guns?

It would just be easier to limit migration into the US to people from countries with a lower propensity for violence and crime. Gradual demographic changes over time would result in a diminishing crime rate. Perhaps offer free and easy citizenship to people from Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

 

[Ozarker]

Just make sure you don´t bring any hand guns or assault rifles

I suppose I'd have to leave the suitcase full of NRA promotional materials behind, too?

In the US the death rate is 10.54 per 100,000 population and 112.6 guns per 100 people....

You could move to Venezuelu where the death rate is 59.4 per 100,000 people and 10.7 guns per 100 people.... (this could mean that Venezuelans are much better shots)

or you could move a couple hundred kilometers north to where the death rate is 1.97 per 1000,000 people and there are 40.8 guns per 100 people...

or you could move to Hong Kong, where the rate is 0.03 per 100,000 people and hang around with Kai

How is this possible, it is ileagal for private citizens to buy guns in Venezuela.

Must be the cops and government agencies doing all the killing. Everyone knows that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of those who want to do harm to the disarmed public..

 

[Ozarker]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

I've got yours too David. I'd post all of them, but I'd hate to see so many get weak in the knees and faint. Posting pics of the AR-15s might cause strokes. So just one AR pic. Just a taste here from a certifiably insane gun crazy nut.

Space won't allow me to post the whole collection or the 100 / thirty round magazines I have, or my 10,000 rounds of ammunition.

 

[Hillsilly]

You should send us your address, just in case of zombie apocalypse.

 

[Ozarker]

You should send us your address, just in case of zombie apocalypse.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

The attackers were so quick and had the jump on me ....the first signal that I knew they were there was them cracking me in the back of the head with their gun.

That is an important point that many don't realize. Muggers are not going to walk in front of you and telegraph their intentions. They are going to do exactly what they did to you. Muggers know that people carry weapons and the muggers make sure they get the first move in.

It is only in the movies where the hero, after being cold-cocked from behind manages to un-holster their weapon on the way down and get off two double-taps before they hit the ground.

I would not be surprised if muggers don't give their victim a quick waistline frisk to see if they can get a free weapon.

I will take SA and avoidance over a holstered weapon any day.

And yes, I do carry. I also know the limitations of carrying a weapon.

 

[lux]

Chris Rock said it best.

The NRA says guns don't kill people...people kill people. Yeah but don't you think the guns help.



Oh and I got my code to move to the front of the line to emigrate to Canada. I'd find work but my wife wouldn't so I guess for now we are staying in the new USA. I love my home but it doesn't love me anymore and I wonder if it ever did.

And the thing is the people who are going to be the most hurt are the people that changed their voting patterns and pushed him over the top. White working class voters who already have few jobs are going to have fewer with a dramatically reduced safety net and an environment likely to make them sicker.

Oh and I can't wait to see the excitement when the "stand your ground" laws run up against the "you can carry a concealed weapon into a bar without a permit" laws. It will be like the Wild West movies...though maybe some interesting photography opportunities.

 

[IglooEater]

CanonFanBoy, my goodness that first one's a beauty! Makes me wanna get my license. However as the money goes, I'd rather put it into Canon's not guns. ;P

 

[hbr]

The attackers were so quick and had the jump on me ....the first signal that I knew they were there was them cracking me in the back of the head with their gun.

That is an important point that many don't realize. Muggers are not going to walk in front of you and telegraph their intentions. They are going to do exactly what they did to you. Muggers know that people carry weapons and the muggers make sure they get the first move in.

It is only in the movies where the hero, after being cold-cocked from behind manages to un-holster their weapon on the way down and get off two double-taps before they hit the ground.

I would not be surprised if muggers don't give their victim a quick waistline frisk to see if they can get a free weapon.

I will take SA and avoidance over a holstered weapon any day.

And yes, I do carry. I also know the limitations of carrying a weapon.

+1

 

[SteveM]

Wow! This has been entertaining....'Rambo roars into abc city, a 'Canon' in one hand and a Magnum 45 in the other'

 

[kirispupis]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

I've got yours too David. I'd post all of them, but I'd hate to see so many get weak in the knees and faint. Posting pics of the AR-15s might cause strokes. So just one AR pic. Just a taste here from a certifiably insane gun crazy nut.

Space won't allow me to post the whole collection or the 100 / thirty round magazines I have, or my 10,000 rounds of ammunition.

The photos and text just confirm it - guns are nothing about protection for you. They're about coolness, bravado, and "mine's bigger than yours." You're like a little kid, but one who hides behind the 2nd amendment. If they'd put slavery in the Constitution, you'd probably have some photos of them too.

 

[Loswr]

Wow! This has been entertaining....'Rambo roars into abc city, a 'Canon' in one hand and a Magnum 45 in the other'

Full circle…

 

[Fatalv]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

+1

P.S. - Maybe we need to start a firearm gallery

 

[Fatalv]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

I've got yours too David. I'd post all of them, but I'd hate to see so many get weak in the knees and faint. Posting pics of the AR-15s might cause strokes. So just one AR pic. Just a taste here from a certifiably insane gun crazy nut.

Space won't allow me to post the whole collection or the 100 / thirty round magazines I have, or my 10,000 rounds of ammunition.

The photos and text just confirm it - guns are nothing about protection for you. They're about coolness, bravado, and "mine's bigger than yours." You're like a little kid, but one who hides behind the 2nd amendment. If they'd put slavery in the Constitution, you'd probably have some photos of them too.

Apparently you forgot this was a photography site... And wow, pulling the slavery card?? How mature of you! You know nothing of CanonFanBoy and yet you assume he's pro slavery because he owns and defends gun ownership?

We get it, you hate guns, and think gun owners are terrorists, insane, etc.

 

[Loswr]

We get it, you hate guns, and think gun owners are terrorists, insane, etc.

Gun enthusiast Nancy Lanza was apparently neither a terrorist nor insane. That didn't stop her son from using some of her many guns to first kill her, then to kill 20 little school kids, 6 of their teachers, and himself. But I digress...

As for the mine are bigger than yours...

 

[takesome1]

I just enjoy shooting... of all types ;D

Don't worry CanonFanBoy, I got your back...

I've got yours too David. I'd post all of them, but I'd hate to see so many get weak in the knees and faint. Posting pics of the AR-15s might cause strokes. So just one AR pic. Just a taste here from a certifiably insane gun crazy nut.

Space won't allow me to post the whole collection or the 100 / thirty round magazines I have, or my 10,000 rounds of ammunition.

The photos and text just confirm it - guns are nothing about protection for you. They're about coolness, bravado, and "mine's bigger than yours." You're like a little kid, but one who hides behind the 2nd amendment. If they'd put slavery in the Constitution, you'd probably have some photos of them too.

Wow what a load. But since you went there.

The 2nd amendment was put in the constitution more for the protection against tyranny.

The Nazi's before WW II banned the ownership of firearms by the Jewish community. It is easier to conquer a nation if it is disarmed.

You talk slavery, in the time frame there was slavery the slaves were not allowed to own guns. Today slavery is illegal and all people of all races are protected by the 2nd amendment. It allows the people to have arms and protect themselves from the oppression the Jews suffered in WW II and the slavery African Americans suffered pre civil war. The same people who are fighting for no private gun ownership seem to be the same ones that are always bashing Trump as a racist homophobe. If they are correct about Trump, IMO the 2nd amendment is one of the most important rights we have.

It is easy to look at today's world and say, look at the UK. It looks good today but the world changes, and while we may not need the 2nd amendment today, tomorrow and the tyrants that may come is why it is important to keep.

 

[takesome1]

We get it, you hate guns, and think gun owners are terrorists, insane, etc.

Gun enthusiast Nancy Lanza was apparently neither a terrorist nor insane. That didn't stop her son from using some of her many guns to first kill her, then to kill 20 little school kids, 6 of their teachers, and himself. But I digress...

As for the mine are bigger than yours...

A tragedy. How does it stack up to the number of Jew's that were disarmed by the Nazi's and killed in the Holocaust. Both terrible tragedies that pull at our hearts however people can arrive at different conclusions about the importance of the 2nd amendment.

But to this thread, I don't think in either case the killers were after the person's camera.
And if you are carrying that much gear it is just good to have insurance, (replacement cost you would want the latest new gear).