Two new EOS R bodies coming in the first half of 2020 [CR3]

Daner

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I spent a couple of years with a 7DII, then a few months with the 5DIV followed by a few more with the R. Based on that experience, I hope that at least one of the upcoming R models has an improved AF system for sports and birds (perhaps using some of the deep learning technology developed for the 1DMIII). I would also like to have the new Smart Controller built into the AF-On button for fast control of the AF Point selection instead of the joystick. An increase to a reliable 10 fps to go along with the improved AF would be very welcome, and if having an essentially unlimited buffer at the higher frame rate requires a switch from SD to CFExpress (1 card or 2), so be it. I would rather have more dynamic range than more resolution. I would also like to be able to save 10-bit HEIF files. IBIS would be nice, but I have never tried it, so I don't know how much I would like to have it. Finally, I like the flippy screen, but would also like good weather sealing. Maybe not so reasonable to want both, but a guy can dream, can't he?
 
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Codebunny

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I love the idea of two new Rs simultaneously: A professional R2 (32 meg 5R?) and a hi-res (70 meg 5Rs) version at a higher price.
BOTH should have IBIS, thumb nubbin for AF point selection, GPS, twin SD cards (OK, CFexpress in 5Rs), EF adapter in the box, and a rear desk exactly like the 5DIV - it really works well and we love it.
just my two cents -- I don't need more than 24 meg but love my R's 30 meg -- I've not upgraded my Leica SL because I don't need 47 meg but do need GPS.
Why does the high MP slow camera need the hyper fast card while the fast camera gets hobbled with SD?
 
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amorse

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I found it odd that they'd release the RII so close to the first one - it seems out of character for Canon, but I guess anything can happen right now since they're moving into new territory with the RF mount.

Maybe a lot of the feedback on the R was put into the high resolution body design (i.e. updated touch bar, 2 card slots etc), and maybe Canon was concerned that the reception to the high-resolution body (if released alone) would be tempered because it isn't the "do it all" body that people seem to be clamouring for. I really expect that high resolution body to be a specialist tool - low fps, maybe even poor low-light performance, but very high res, probably ruggedized and very very good image quality. The RII could be a do it all and a proper 5D replacement, with the updates to the R that people seem to be after.

Releasing both at the same time may allow Canon to change the dialogue in the internet media while still maintaining the "each body built for a task" business model rather than the good, better, best segmentation model used by other manufacturers. Otherwise people seem focused on complaining about the lack of a feature in a camera designed for something else. Time will tell I guess!
 
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Jasonmc89

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If Canon removed the mirror and prism from the new 1DX3 and gave it an RF mount that’d be a pretty incredible mirrorless camera, right?


Surely that’s not too difficult to do.
 

Groundhog

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If Canon removed the mirror and prism from the new 1DX3 and gave it an RF mount that’d be a pretty incredible mirrorless camera, right?


Surely that’s not too difficult to do.

Without the mirror the additional AF-sensor (with it's own processor) wouldn't work so I doubt the RX(?) would be simply a 1DX III with the mirror/OVF ripped out.
Also the 1DX III was just announced and they surely want to sell those and the sports-mirrorless RX(?) in maybe 2 years as an upgrade for the 1DX III.
 
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The prior CR3 was not right, CR1 was [CR5]
Corrections to rumors are higher confidence rumors than lower confidence rumors, but correct me if you have no confidence.

That's it I'm selling my gear and switching to Toyo - View 4 x 5..
 
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ahsanford

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And releasing a mirrorless 1D so soon after the 1DX III would surely upset folks.

That statement makes absolutely no sense. These are 2 totally different target groups of camera users.


Not necessarily. Depends on what the mirrorless 1-series is designed for.

If they are going for high fps + smaller form factor (like an A9), I think that might be more for news reportage/journos than it would be for sports/wildlifers. In that case, you might be talking about the 1DX3 and 1 series mirrorless going to different users.

But if it's a dead knockoff of a 1DX3 without a mirror (spec and form factor wise), I think it would aimed at / priced at the exact same photographers as 1DX3. Sideline sports and wildlife folks would use either body in their high fps pursuits.

Unless you think a 1-series mirrorless means high res. I don't think anyone is expecting that. Canon firmly chucked the high-res specialist camera into the 5-series price point 5 years ago (presumably to sell more of them at a lower price point).

- A
 

mpb001

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I think that if Canon can engineer a way to implement IBIS with lens IS to up stabilization to say 7 stops, and say 6 stops with non IS lenses it will be worth it to have it. True, IBIS isn’t really needed with IS lenses but I think that if they can add that extra stop or so my both IBIS and lens IS working in tandem, this can be important in getting the shot when needed,
 

LensFungus

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I found it odd that they'd release the RII so close to the first one - it seems out of character for Canon, but I guess anything can happen right now since they're moving into new territory with the RF mount.
Yes, that's true... but on the other hand Canon's move is logical.

The Sony rumor page reports that Sony will very likely announce the Sony A7 Mark IV in the first half of 2020. Whether or not people here like the Sony A7 Mark III everybody has to admit that this camera was a huge financial success for Sony. They also gained a massive boost in reputation. It was something like Canon's 5D Mark II, Mark III or the 6D Mark I. While Canon is still the leader of overall camera sales, they are not the leader of mirrorless full frame sales and Sony can continue to brag about it. With the Sony A7 Mark IV on the horizon, Canon could gamble and hope that Sony won't be able to repeat their A7 Mark III success, but this time Canon has chosen to directly attack them with the EOS R Mark II.

The internet will obviously talk about for months who's the winner specs- and saleswise but the actual winner is the customer. Both companies will push each other to release the better camera.
 

Optics Patent

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If Canon is planning an EOS R mark ii but the specs didn't match the rumor we can start guessing which parts are right/wrong. So here are my guesses:
-32Mp Sensor: maybe not exactly but around that
-IBIS only in the high res model
-12fps only without af, 8-10 with tracking af
-only SD cards on the R, CFexpress only on the high res model

I should have known that the first rumor was to good to be true, it was more like a whish list.

Holy cow! They're going to introduce a Nikon Z6! ;)
 
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Optics Patent

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+1. IBIS (nice to have) + better manual focus assist (a must) would have me collecting older primes and possibly trying out nice new primes from third parties whose AF I don't trust.

My patent pending manual focus assist (peaking) invention gives the best of both worlds. Strong signal from the loose setting, and precision of the tight setting.
 

Architect1776

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+1. IBIS (nice to have) + better manual focus assist (a must) would have me collecting older primes and possibly trying out nice new primes from third parties whose AF I don't trust.

- A

Those features open a whole world of lenses going back nearly 100 years that would provide amazing results not available with modern lenses. For example my FL 58mm f1.2 lens would be great to use on a digital camera and IBIS and focus confirmation would be a real plus. Just waiting to see what canon does, and no, I do NOT want a Sony, want a camera not a gadget.
 

Juangrande

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Well hey technically autofocus and burst shooting isn't required for everyone, so we might as well just not consider those requirements for new cameras being made today either.
Well maybe. I’m a portrait photographer and I’ve never taken any of my cameras off single shot mode. I could manually focus for my work (before digital I shot MF and all my lenses were manual focus and it was no problem) but I’ll admit AF is way better, especially eye detect full screen, it’s the only reason I’m interested about mirrorless. I’ve never had a use for burst mode. I mean to your point I’m glad it’s there if ever need it for some reason, but 5-7 FPS would be more than enough for me if I did ever use it. I’ve also never shot any video ever. I’m often on a tripod but interested in IBIS although not necessary. But yeah if it’s not effecting the cost I’ll gladly take all the newest innovations but not having them if I don’t use them certainly isn’t a deal breaker.
 
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