The next full-frame RF mount camera will be a replacement for the Canon EOS R

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The next RF mount camera that Canon will release will be APS-C, but we can also expect a new full-frame RF mount camera in the next 6 months or so.
The new camera will be a replacement of sorts for the original Canon EOS R, but it won’t be called the Canon EOS R Mark II. The new full-frame camera will sit below the Canon EOS R6, but will not be a new version of the Canon EOS RP. We think the rising costs in the supply chain may have delayed or nixed the rumored $899 full-frame R series camera.
We have been told that the new camera could be announced in late 2022 or in early 2023, with a ship date coming in Q1 of 2023.
We have seen some rumored specifications, but we aren’t confident in their accuracy, so we’ll hold off on that...

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A replacement for the EOS R below the R6 ???
Disappointed.
I still believe there is a missing link between the R5 and the R6 (47 MP & 20 MP).
But let's just wait, it's a rumor, after all.
 
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Was hoping for RP2 first. Please have an LPE6 battery and be under $1500
 
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A replacement for the EOS R below the R6 ???
Disappointed.
I still believe there is a missing link between the R5 and the R6 (47 MP & 20 MP).
But let's just wait, it's a rumor, after all.
True, given R6 was baby 1Dx and if the line continued to be small sports/wildlife oriented bodies with R being equivalent to A7 ie general purpose FF mirrorless.

For R replacement only thing canon should do is add dual SD slot and new CPU. As things stand EOS R is a good mirrorless camera at its current price and far better than overpriced R7.
 
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True, given R6 was baby 1Dx and if the line continued to be small sports/wildlife oriented bodies with R being equivalent to A7 ie general purpose FF mirrorless.

For R replacement only thing canon should do is add dual SD slot and new CPU. As things stand EOS R is a good mirrorless camera at its current price and far better than overpriced R7.
I'm very satisfied with mine, very reliable little camera for stills ( I never do video).
But it could indeed benefit from a second SD slot, an improved EVF and IBIS. But bthese added features would place it above the R6... The R6, in my opinion, lacks a top display, which I often use, and a few more MPs. As you wrote, it's more sports-wildlife oriented, and for many users, an ideal camera. But maybe not as universal as the R.
 
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Yes! That's (probably) the camera I've been waiting for, since my R has now surpassed 100.000 clicks already and I've started thinking about replacing it.

The specs will be very tricky for Canon because they obvious need to upgrade the R but they also need enough wiggle room to differentiate it from the R6. So here's my guess:


- 30-34 MP
- no IBIS
- single SD card slot
- 8-10 FPS (mechanical) and 18 FPS e-shutter
--> these specs might have to be better because the R10 would outperform the R successor...
- no Touch Bar, instead the new dial from the R7
- improved AF performance
- improved EVF --> higher refresh rate, higher resolution
- improved video specs, but I've no idea which specs would be suitable because I hardly shoot any video.

These are just guesses based on the fact that the camera will sit underneath the R6. Of course, IBIS and Dual Card slot would be nice and welcome but from price point of view and don't see that coming.

Of course, they could drastically improve the R successor and then release a monster R6 Mk II in Q1 2023
 
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I'm very satisfied with mine, very reliable little camera for stills ( I never do video).
I totally agree, I love my R and it is a very capable camera. Only two things I actually miss:
- higher FPS
- but AF tracking (it's a shame there haven't been any firmware updates in the past two years or so)
 
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I still believe there is a missing link between the R5 and the R6 (47 MP & 20 MP).
I guess an R6 mk II will feature more Mp and will make up for the "missing link". If Canon pushes the R successor as they have pushed the R7 / R10 in terms of MP, FPS, AF than they'll definitely need to upgrade the R6 very soon.
 
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A new FF BSI sensor (no need to be staked as it doesn't need to be super fast) with more than 30MP (but Canon shouldn't use the old sensor again) with Digic X or better at a price point between the R7 and the R6 is going (and needs) to be a good competitor against the Sony a7 IV, is the naming scheme a problem? R6.5 doesn't look good, maybe "R7 FF" could do the job :) the truly big thing is the need to replace the useless touch bar with a joystick, even the weird wheel joystick combo of the R7 is far better.
 
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I am curious how canon will place a FF camera below the R6 - same sensor but slower/less features probably won't sell that much and any sensor with more MP could canibalize the R6 sales since that is the main complaint for many.
My guess would be a higher resolution sensor (30ish MP) but no IBIS and maybe a bit slower then the R6.
 

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I am curious how canon will place a FF camera below the R6 - same sensor but slower/less features probably won't sell that much and any sensor with more MP could canibalize the R6 sales since that is the main complaint for many.
My guess would be a higher resolution sensor (30ish MP) but no IBIS and maybe a bit slower then the R6.
Might have the same sensor as R6, but less AF options, slower FPS, lower end or no EVF, only 1 SD card slot, LP-E17 battery and no battery grip. Certainly will not be a R successor as that would place it between R5 and R6, not below R6. But doubt it will cost below €$1000 as the R10 is already there. Maybe around €$1500 like the R7?
 
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It'll sure be interesting to see how they can evolve it, but keep it at a lower price point than the R6. I think the 'replacement of sorts' for the the R has a strong emphasis on the ''of sorts" part. It may turn out to be truly more of an RP replacement, just not at the super low price point due to inflation.

I guess it could be a slower R7 with similar quality EVF (just bigger to support the FF image) and still hit a $2k price point.

-Brian
 
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Might have the same sensor as R6, but less AF options, slower FPS, lower end or no EVF, only 1 SD card slot, LP-E17 battery and no battery grip. Certainly will not be a R successor as that would place it between R5 and R6, not below R6. But doubt it will cost below €$1000 as the R10 is already there. Maybe around €$1500 like the R7?

So more like a FF-Rebel and RP successor ... but priced at R7 level with this feature set I doubt many will go for it, especially when used R6 go for less than 2k.
 

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A replacement for the EOS R below the R6 ???
Disappointed.
I still believe there is a missing link between the R5 and the R6 (47 MP & 20 MP).
But let's just wait, it's a rumor, after all.
Not so much a rumour, more a statement of the obvious. It's been a foregone conclusion that there will be a budget FF model below the R6, and that it will be closer in styling to the R6 than to the RP.

And yes, the missing link between the R5 and R6 is disappointing - a 30MP inbetweener would be very desirable, but would leave Canon with two problems - firstly - what would they call it?, and secondly, I suspect Canon would rather entice people to spend a bit extra on the R5, than to have an "inbetweener" cannibalise R5 sales.
 
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I guess an R6 mk II will feature more Mp and will make up for the "missing link". If Canon pushes the R successor as they have pushed the R7 / R10 in terms of MP, FPS, AF than they'll definitely need to upgrade the R6 very soon.
The R6 is an extremely popular camera, so I don't think a Mkii version is on the cards for a year or two. Cheaper and easier for Canon to just improve the already good AF of the existing model, and add a couple of extra features via firmware updates. That way they can concentrate their resources on developing other products.
 
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I would like an R3 without any video features for $3000. They can also leave away the SD card slot and I also do not need any eye or animal detection and no electronic shutter.
 
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I am curious how canon will place a FF camera below the R6 - same sensor but slower/less features probably won't sell that much and any sensor with more MP could canibalize the R6 sales since that is the main complaint for many.
My guess would be a higher resolution sensor (30ish MP) but no IBIS and maybe a bit slower then the R6.
Apologies for 3 posts in a row, but...

I think it unlikely that they'll introduce a higher-spec (30ish MP) camera below the R6. More likely they'll re-use the R6 sensor, and reduce the spec in certain areas to keep the cost down. Examples could include lower res EVF, fixed screen, elimination of IBIS, elimination of mode dial and buttons (by using advanced "intelligent-auto" metering, and dispensing with P, S, A, M). I'm assuming that the camera would be aimed at budget-conscious novices, who would probably prefer a simplified camera.
 

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Apologies for 3 posts in a row, but...

I think it unlikely that they'll introduce a higher-spec (30ish MP) camera below the R6. More likely they'll re-use the R6 sensor, and reduce the spec in certain areas to keep the cost down. Examples could include lower res EVF, fixed screen, elimination of IBIS, elimination of mode dial and buttons (by using advanced "intelligent-auto" metering, and dispensing with P, S, A, M). I'm assuming that the camera would be aimed at budget-conscious novices, who would probably prefer a simplified camera.
But then it would be a replacement for the RP, not for the R.
For what I do with a camera, mostly landscapes and flowers, sometimes insects, I would neither replace the R with a lower caracteristics R II, nor witth an R6.
 
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