The Canon EOS R1 will come well before the EOS R5 Mark II [CR3]

[neuroanatomist]

True, the 1 series S cameras were different size sensors. But they did make the 5DS as a high resolution 5 series which were already full frame. No way to know if they will go that route, but since they launched the R series it has really revived their company earnings. So maybe it would make sense to diversify offerings in the pro market as well. It could also explain the whiplash of specs in the rumor mill. Probably just wishful thinking.

I doubt we'll see a re-splitting of the 1-series. I suspect we will see a high MP 5-series at some point reasonably soon.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

They wouldn't want the R1 to be seen as the R3 Mark II.

People would just claim it was supposed to be the R3 II but Canon changed the name once the a9 III came out with a global shutter.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I wouldn't mind if they just keep offering R3 as a (significantly) cheaper version of R1.

So, you expect the R1 to be $8K+ then?

 

[3kramd5]

I think overall, you’re correct. We are really at the stage of diminishing marginal returns with successive camera releases.

At a hardware level, possibly. However there is a lot computationally that could move it forward. In-camera raw stacking, modulo functionality, etc.

When I owned a Sony A7RII, I bought a cheap paid app from its PlayMemories ecosystem. It allowed me to dial in a number of frames, and then it would take them and compile them in a single .ARW file container. I really liked that - I could achieve motion blur without using long exposures. Perplexingly, Sony didn't allow PlayMemories integration with subsequent cameras.

This isn't a particularly strong photo, but as I recall it was shot as a stack of 30-60 frames each for 1/160sec, and then combined into a single file, glassing the moving water in-camera without ND.

 

[neuroanatomist]

At a hardware level, possibly. However there is a lot computationally that could move it forward. In-camera raw stacking, modulo functionality, etc.

I recall when there were 9 AF points. Then 19. Then —OMG SO MANY— 61. Now it’s as many as there are pixels. Not even a number to call out. Computational improvements are like that, IMO. Night mode? Multishot NR? 400 MP image with pixel shift? Not sure those sell a lot of cameras.

Perplexingly, Sony didn't allow PlayMemories integration with subsequent cameras.

Why? Because Sony.

 

[Bahrd]

So, you expect the R1 to be $8K+ then?

♪♫ I had it coming all along... ♫♪

 

[scyrene]

But they had different sensor sizes as well, that's not coming back, so the differentiation is just res? In a smaller market I'm not sure that makes sense. If they were to have too

I don't know what happened to the end of this and I don't remember where it was going

 

[tbgtomcom]

I'm new to Canon. I can't imagine Canon releasing a flagship camera that sinks before it's cast off. The rumors have to be wrong. Maybe Canon is introducing a new feature that the competition doesn't have.

You're probably correct.

 

[3kramd5]

I recall when there were 9 AF points. Then 19. Then —OMG SO MANY— 61. Now it’s as many as there are pixels.

9? I still have an Elan 7NE around here somewhere with 7

Not even a number to call out. Computational improvements are like that, IMO. Night mode? Multishot NR? 400 MP image with pixel shift? Not sure those sell a lot of cameras.

Selling a lot of cameras is distinct from moving them forward. Granted, most of the computational improvements require longer exposures so are really only applicable to landscape and astro photographers, but I'd welcome them. These days, if I want to blur a waterfall, I take a burst, align and stack in photoshop, and then median combine them. If a new camera would do that for me, I'd buy it.

Why? Because Sony.

Yep, I haven't looked back.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Selling a lot of cameras is distinct from moving them forward. Granted, most of the computational improvements require longer exposures so are really only applicable to landscape and astro photographers, but I'd welcome them.

I doubt the major motivation of camera manufacturers is to move cameras forward. Probably there are some engineers employed by camera companies who have that as a personal goal.

 

[P-visie]

There is (wild) set of specifications for the R1 on Digital Camera Information. If true, Canon have surpassed themselves….

 

[1ll]

Did anyone see this?

Says the rumors are false about global shutter and the sensor pixel range.

 

[danfaz]

Did anyone see this?

Says the rumors are false about global shutter and the sensor pixel range.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Did anyone see this?

Says the rumors are false about global shutter and the sensor pixel range.

I am pretty sure that the sensor is set in stone by now.
I could see Canon testing out competing prototypes but that should be done by now.

 

[3kramd5]

I doubt the major motivation of camera manufacturers is to move cameras forward.

Correct.

 

[John Wilde]

I doubt the major motivation of camera manufacturers is to move cameras forward.

Canon should be motivated to have the R1 be a "halo product" that reflects positively on the entire brand. It should be "something special".

 

[clearwaterphotog]

Canon should be motivated to have the R1 be a "halo product" that reflects positively on the entire brand. It should be "something special".

You gotta be careful with words like "should" and "need" around here whenever it involves anyone other than you. Some people might get the impression that you think you know what will make market leaders more or less successful, and respond with unwavering zeal countering any such statements.

But I agree, it would be cool to see the R1 as a halo product, which Canon has been making a lot of with their impressive top tier RF primes and zooms.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Canon should be motivated to have the R1 be a "halo product" that reflects positively on the entire brand. It should be "something special".

It will be the flagship, so no doubt Canon will include impressive top-line features. Also no doubt some here will complain about it, because it doesn't meet their expectations. Fortunately, those people are free to not buy it.

 

[Bob Howland]

It will be the flagship, so no doubt Canon will include impressive top-line features. Also no doubt some here will complain about it, because it doesn't meet their expectations. Fortunately, those people are free to not buy it.

I once knew a QC manager who wrote that it was the good customers who complained. The bad customers never said a word and just disappeared so you never knew what you had done wrong and what you had to do to get them back.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I once knew a QC manager who wrote that it was the good customers who complained. The bad customers never said a word and just disappeared so you never knew what you had done wrong and what you had to do to get them back.

I'm sure Canon solicited feedback from a variety of photographers prior to finalizing the design of the R1. The best time to listen to customers is before you release a product.