Um... is there a 30mpix camera on the way and when?

[skoobey]

I was shooting the XS, then I switched to the 5d2, and I like it, but I can tell right away that it ain't coming even close to medium format resolution, especially after cropping.

So, do you think canon might release something FF in the 30 mpix range in the next year or two? ???

 

[Astro]

yes

 

[Marsu42]

yes

In the next two years? Imho absolutely, given the competition from Nikon. But until then, Canon has to fortify their corporate hq because they'll have to defend their lives from people who believed their "~20mp is enough" marketing and invested accordingly.

But as with the Nikon D800, only a few lenses will be able to use the resolution, maybe that's why Canon is putting out the ridiculously expensive 24-70ii...

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon will do it because it sells. They have now seen that there are enough who are trained to believe that more MP are better and will put their money down for bragging rights.

Its certainly possible to produce a 50mp sensor, probably a lot more, its a trade between file size, image quality, ISO response, readout speed, and frames per second capability.

The D800 is a reasonable compromise, you will need more memory and file storage space, and be willing to have editing go a lot slower (Its not linear with file size). I expect we will see something similar. Perhaps a 5Ds?

 

[Abraxx]

Maybe the up coming 24 & 28mm f2.8 are a hint too.
Why would they add an IS to those?

 

[cpsico]

They should try perfecting there 20 megapixel line up first, there is still a lot to improve on in terms of dynamic range

 

[Marsu42]

They should try perfecting there 20 megapixel line up first, there is still a lot to improve on in terms of dynamic range

Afaik, you can either improve on dr or noise. And for _most_ people, the dynamic range of the current lineup should be ok. I'd wish the 18mp crop sensor had more dr, too, but realistically looking at the pictures I'm taking it is ok as it stands when shooting raw, using recovery and some fill lights in Lightroom.

And when the dr of my 60d isn't sufficient it's in typical hdr situations or when shooting a black insect on a white flower. Your mileage may vary as a wedding photog shooting bride and groom. So personally, I'd wish for less noise, then some more mp for macro, and then more dr - but as Ken Rockwell (hey, he got another brownie point for the GoogleBot) always states: That's just me.

 

[pdirestajr]

yes

In the next two years? Imho absolutely, given the competition from Nikon. But until then, Canon has to fortify their corporate hq because they'll have to defend their lives from people who believed their "~20mp is enough" marketing and invested accordingly.

But as with the Nikon D800, only a few lenses will be able to use the resolution, maybe that's why Canon is putting out the ridiculously expensive 24-70ii...

Canon lenses can resolve the 7D, which has a pixel density similar to the D800. I don't think Canon's lenses will have any problem handling a 30+ MP camera. I use an old 24mm 2.8 (one of the first EF lenses) on my 7D and it's capable of serious sharp details. I think Canon will release a higher res / slower FF camera at some point, as it looks like they are creating all of these separate buckets.

 

[Marsu42]

Canon lenses can resolve the 7D, which has a pixel density similar to the D800.

... in the lens' center! What about the parts of the lens that the 7d doesn't see?

 

[skoobey]

I don't really care about noise, I like the noise as long as it's not going all crazy and pattern like( H1 and H2 modes on 5d2).

Dynamic range is okaaay, but as far as I can tell 5dIII is worse, and that's why I didn't get it, and is completely lacking in grain, making files look artificial.

My point being, I want to stay with canon, I think that the MF is way to bulky and expensive, and would love to see something like a D800 from canon.

 

[JR]

I think oit is coming but very to say when and if it will be even in 2013. Really depends if canon had something already on the drawing board... I personally would like that. It would make a good complement to the 1dx in my case.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Maybe the up coming 24 & 28mm f2.8 are a hint too.
Why would they add an IS to those?

Those added IS for video.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

They should try perfecting there 20 megapixel line up first, there is still a lot to improve on in terms of dynamic range

Afaik, you can either improve on dr or noise. And for _most_ people, the dynamic range of the current lineup should be ok. I'd wish the 18mp crop sensor had more dr, too, but realistically looking at the pictures I'm taking it is ok as it stands when shooting raw, using recovery and some fill lights in Lightroom.

And when the dr of my 60d isn't sufficient it's in typical hdr situations or when shooting a black insect on a white flower. Your mileage may vary as a wedding photog shooting bride and groom. So personally, I'd wish for less noise, then some more mp for macro, and then more dr - but as Ken Rockwell (hey, he got another brownie point for the GoogleBot) always states: That's just me.

The problem is Canon is already close to as low as the noise can get but they have a LOT of room to improve lower ISO dynamic range.

 

[PhilDrinkwater]

They should try perfecting there 20 megapixel line up first, there is still a lot to improve on in terms of dynamic range

... and if you speak to Nikon can you ask them to sort out their WB algorithm?! It's terrible compared to the Canon one and it costs me about 1/2 hour extra per wedding 'cos my assistant shoots Nikon...!

Neither camera system is perfect. Far from it. However, you have to start using them to *actually take pictures* rather than sitting looking at graphs on the internet to find this out

 

[moreorless]

Canon lenses can resolve the 7D, which has a pixel density similar to the D800. I don't think Canon's lenses will have any problem handling a 30+ MP camera. I use an old 24mm 2.8 (one of the first EF lenses) on my 7D and it's capable of serious sharp details. I think Canon will release a higher res / slower FF camera at some point, as it looks like they are creating all of these separate buckets.

The 7D is only using the central part of the imaging circle though and alot of the demand for a high megapixel camera comes from users who want boarder to boarder sharpness.

If a high megapixel camera is around the corner then I'd say the new 24-70 and 24/28mm IS primes make alot more sense considering that as resolution increases so will the demand for boarder to boarder sharpness.

 

[dtaylor]

They should try perfecting there 20 megapixel line up first, there is still a lot to improve on in terms of dynamic range

Based on what? The imaginations of DxO?

In the real world there has been about a 1 stop difference between recent Canon and Nikon DSLRs in low ISO DR. Until a reputable (i.e. not DxO) testing site puts the 5D3 and D800 against a transmission step wedge, none of us know where they sit.

Sure, I wouldn't mind another stop of DR, if such a gap continues to exist. But DR has become a severely over hyped meme. FF sensors are in the 11-12 stop range. That's portrait print film territory.

Right now the lack of a 35 MP range FF sensor from Canon is a problem. Nobody is jumping ship over a stop of DR.

 

[Musouka]

I guess soon after Nikon releases the D4x (or Sony enters the HMP race)...

 

[Fishnose]

They have now seen that there are enough who are trained to believe that more MP are better and will put their money down for bragging rights.

You're basically telling me I'm an idiot because I feel I have a use for 36MP. I don't appreciate that. Choose your words more carefully.

What you really mean is YOU don't think one needs so many MP. Now that's another matter entirely. That's just YOUR little opinion.

 

[takoman46]

I wonder how many people out there want a ton of megapixels (30+) and don't even realize that most computers would lag like a mother ****** when processing these files... Especially if you are zoomed in to 100% crop and trying to make edits... Post processing 21-22mp images from my 5D's are somewhat slow going on my 15in Corei7 Macbook Pro... And I have 8GB ram and a Crucial M4 SSD! My 27in iMac actually runs slower than my Macbook Pro. The only thing that handles the processing is my PC Rig that I built from scratch. You'll need some serious power if you expect to be post processing in any sort of timely manner. Here's a general idea of my PC setup for snappy processing times on 5D II & III jpegs/RAWs: Intel Core i7 Extreme 6 Core 3.33GHz Processor ($600), NVidia 580GTX Graphics Board ($440), Crucial 16GB RAM, Crucial M4 SSD (6Gb negotiated link speed). This is just the critical hardware. You can go ahead and add on an ATX motherboard of your choice, Cooling system, additional Hard drives, Blu-ray/DVD drives, and any PCI slot peripherals you want. You'll probably end up spending at least $1500 on the tower hardware alone (not including the case or monitor(s) lol) for a decent machine that will be able to keep up with the processing of huge images from your 30+mp camera.

So who still wants 30+mp? You can take the pictures and wait 30 minutes for your consumer level desktop or laptop to catch up to to your workflow. Unless everyone who bought a D800 has a rig that can keep up with the processing resource requirements, I think it might be safe to say that many photographers out there are losing money on time waiting for their computers to render changes of these massive files.

 

[lol]

more MP are better

See what I did there

Seriously, more MP *are* better. But in a different way that less MP are better. It depends on what you want to do with them. Nikon fanboys previously trained to believe 12MP is all they ever need have been dragged kicking and screaming into understanding where higher MP counts might be more useful. Could use some of that around here too.

As for the processing cost, it's hardly end of the world territory. Taking the D800 as representing the affordable MP limit for now, consider that 36MP is twice 18MP that's used in most Canon crop bodies. Processing time is pretty much linear, so you take twice the processing time. To me, the computer's processing time is still much less than the time you spend deciding what adjustments to make, so in practice it isn't going to affect the workflow speed significantly.