*UPDATE* 5D Mark III - February 7, 2012 [CR2]

[kpk1]

If I were Canon the next thing would be a 3D with the specs allready well known.
The next 5D I would make it a high mpx the-same-3D-body.
The price for both would be equal because each have something that the other doesn't: one for high iso and the second high mpx.
If it will not be 3D then I would name those 5D3 and 5Ds and the "s" it won't be lost.
But I would keep 3D and 3Ds for a more advanced body like 1D without the grip weather sealing, high specs and the 5D/5Ds for the accesible full frame body.
At least that was the original 5D a FF high mpx body at a decent price.
C'mon Canon, show it!

 

[pedro]

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<strong>*UPDATE 2*

</strong>Another source highly doubts February 7, 2012 is the date for an announcement. All the little bits of information that are leaking say it’s close, but it may not be <em>that</em> close. <strong>Please do not treat February 7, 2012 as fact until I can [CR3] it.</strong></p>
<p><strong>*UPDATE*

</strong>Another source says it’s odd that Canon & Nikon would announce on the same day. I have yet to see an actual invite to a press event for February 7, 2012. Good people are saying it’s coming that day, my gut is telling me otherwise. I do think the camera will be announced well before the 1D X ships.</p>
<p><strong>More mentions

Well, if a 5D3 announcement can be expected beyond February 7 as stated today again, then have this old post by CR from last December
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,2602.0.html

It says: 5D Mark III Announcement Barring another manufacturing problem in Asia, count on the 5D Mark III being announced around the end of March or early April 2012.
Availability will probably happen before the summer begins in 2012. No specs were given at this time. This is a very solid [CR2]

The NAB show is April 14-19 in Las Vegas.

cr

« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 07:13:22 AM by Canon Rumors »

 

[wickidwombat]

While the specs are very likable (61-point AF/7.5 fps), with an AF system that is similar to what Nikon has to offer in their D700 or the upcoming D800, this is simply too close spec-wise to the 1D X. This is seriously going to threaten both the 1D X's position, as well as the 7D (including it's successor) as a sports oriented, fast machine. A 5 fps is more reasonable. For the megapixels 22 is pretty good, I like how Canon decides to stay around this limit, however, can it compete against Nikon's much confirmed 36MP D800? We have yet to see how they perform... And by the way, from the leaked images, to me that's much of what the Mark III will look like and I am very impressed by how they modifies it and applies a 7D layout to it. It just looks more ergonomic and well designed than the Mark II.

OTOH, 5fps with 22MP would get slammed by a 36MP 4fps FF and 16MP 6fps APS-C dual D800 with Nikon's best AF.

If it can perform well at high iso then I agree with you completely, although havent there been rumours in the nikon world of its high iso performance being not so flash?

 

[kapanak]

Why must we assume the 61 point AF will be the same as the 1DX? It might be a severely crippled one >_> ... as most of us Canon users seem to accept the fact that Canon feeds crippled AF to anything but their 1D series. *shaking my head*

 

[Woody]

btw. the more I read the rumors the more I am getting the impression that D800 and 5d3 have switched roles between Canon and Nikon.
D800 without AA? how can $3900 be wrong? isn't this supposed to be a strong competitor for MF? at $3900 it's a winner.

I just hope the roles are reversed on the DR side too.

I am still reeling in shock from the rumored specs.

I agree about the dynamic range thing. Canon, please show us what you can do with your sensor electronics...

 

[Woody]

One thing though, someone on one of the forums who claims to have already held the 5D3, his hints wouldn't seem to fit in with the CR2 specs very well though. Sure he could be full if it, but he has tended to pop-up right before each release and offer reasonable hints before.

I was about to point this out, but you beat me to it. According to that fellow, the 5D3 handled just like the 7D... I suppose he was referring to the frame rate. But the 61 AF pt? Is that real??? Wow!

 

[JR]

Why must we assume the 61 point AF will be the same as the 1DX? It might be a severely crippled one >_> ... as most of us Canon users seem to accept the fact that Canon feeds crippled AF to anything but their 1D series. *shaking my head*

I am thinking those days are soon to be over. Maybe the new 5DmkIII will not get the 61 point AF system as the 1DX, but maybe it could get the 1DIV AF system? That would be a huge improvement over the current obsolete AF of the 5D mkII...

 

[Wrathwilde]

- I can see these specs being accurate if the 5DMK3 is released at $3500-$4000.

- They could pull off using the 61 point auto-focus, no reason not to... but the 100,000 pixel RGB metering will be absent, as will all the features that come with it, like the intelligent tracking and spot metering using the active AF points. So the 1D X will still be well ahead of the 5DMK3 when it comes to mission critical action shots, and evaluative metering.

- I also expect we won't see any more than a doubling of the ISO speed, probably up to 12,800, but much more usable and probably software limited just to keep it from eating into the 1D X sales. Hopefully we'll see a nice jump in the DR too. But expect the 1D X to trounce the 5DMK3 when it comes to low light and DR performance, even if Canon has to kneecap the upper ISO select-ability of the 5DMK3 to do so. I don't think Canon will let the selectable ISO be anywhere near the 51,200 of the 1D X, even if the noise levels for the two look identical up to 12,800... the 5DMK3 will just not have anything higher available.

 

[Deeohuu]

One thing though, someone on one of the forums who claims to have already held the 5D3, his hints wouldn't seem to fit in with the CR2 specs very well though. Sure he could be full if it, but he has tended to pop-up right before each release and offer reasonable hints before.

I was about to point this out, but you beat me to it. According to that fellow, the 5D3 handled just like the 7D... I suppose he was referring to the frame rate. But the 61 AF pt? Is that real??? Wow!

Actually his hints fit these specs pretty well. He was misinterpreted to hint at higher resolution but he did not. And he did not call it a 5D III. If anything he hinted it was a union of the 5D and 7D line.

 

[JR]

Actually his hints fit these specs pretty well. He was misinterpreted to hint at higher resolution but he did not. And he did not call it a 5D III. If anything he hinted it was a union of the 5D and 7D line.

Hummm...I smell a 5DX on the way!

 

[Woody]

I should point out that while most of us kept talking about the upcoming D800 as a competitor, we totally forgot about Sony. The A99 should have some crazy frame rate (even if it does not AF in every frame).

But I am still quite surprised by the 61 AF point. Maybe many of those AF points are hidden unless activated by AF Servo???

 

[doug14]

lol d800 is coming next week good luck waiting for the 5dmk3

 

[DzPhotography]

lol d800 is coming next week good luck waiting for the 5dmk3

so? : And no, it's in two weeks

 

[tooslick2k]

These specs are not that different from the 7D apart from the 22mp ff - did Canon worry about the 7d affecting the 1d4 sales?

+1

Producing a camera that sells well and makes a ton of money is what its about. Selling a 100K 1DX cameras does not make the profit like selling 1 million 5D MK III's. Reducing the 1DX sales by 10% is not a concern.

If I need a 1DX, I would buy it regardless of a 5D MK III.

In the days of film, any camera body could take the exact same image as a pro body, assuming the same lens and fillm. That did not stop Canon and Nikon from churning out cheap bodies with fewer features, and making much more money on them than they did on the few expensive ones sold. They would not be in business today if they had not made the cheap bodies.

+1

 

[Woody]

Thom Hogan this to say about the 5D3 and D800 http://bythom.com/2011%20Nikon%20News.htm:

"Sometime in early 2012 we're going to have the full FX body updates from both Canon and Nikon. In the case of the 5DII and D700 follow ups, there will be substantive pixel increases (the rumors put both in the 30's)...

... Nikon and Canon clearly think of dedicated pros and serious enthusiasts differently. They've been prioritizing design decisions accordingly, and that includes sensor choices."

and

"The thing I was trying to address in my article was what the camera makers--specifically Nikon and Canon--had concluded about pixels versus target customer. My conclusion: they think that the amateur/enthusiast will respond more to pixels, the professional more to low-level pixel integrity. Thus, we'll get more pixels in the lower cost bodies.

Does that mean no pro will buy a 36mp body? No, it doesn't"

 

[bigblue1ca]

I'm sure we'll get more from CR in the morning, but this is the latest update on his Facebook account:

"5d3 not coming on feb 7. It will arrive later in the month. CR3.... Site post soon."

https://www.facebook.com/canonrumorsguy/posts/309985652381384

 

[doug14]

lol d800 is coming next week good luck waiting for the 5dmk3

so? : And no, it's in two weeks

So Canon was just waiting for Nikon to then release theirs, this is cat and mouse game for me: Nikon cat and Canon mouse.

 

[waving_odd]

- I can see these specs being accurate if the 5DMK3 is released at $3500-$4000.

It makes sense especially when D800 is rumored to be between $3000 to $3900. With similar amount of money, customers decide themselves if they want a niche-like D800 resolution monster (esp. with the AA filter removed); or if they want a more all-round 5D3 with a better than decent AF and the good old IQ (hopefully with better DR and without banding anymore).

- They could pull off using the 61 point auto-focus, no reason not to... but the 100,000 pixel RGB metering will be absent, as will all the features that come with it, like the intelligent tracking and spot metering using the active AF points. So the 1D X will still be well ahead of the 5DMK3 when it comes to mission critical action shots, and evaluative metering.

- I also expect we won't see any more than a doubling of the ISO speed, probably up to 12,800, but much more usable and probably software limited just to keep it from eating into the 1D X sales. Hopefully we'll see a nice jump in the DR too. But expect the 1D X to trounce the 5DMK3 when it comes to low light and DR performance, even if Canon has to kneecap the upper ISO select-ability of the 5DMK3 to do so. I don't think Canon will let the selectable ISO be anywhere near the 51,200 of the 1D X, even if the noise levels for the two look identical up to 12,800... the 5DMK3 will just not have anything higher available.

Exactly, and that's why I think mission critical pro-togs will still pay $7k for ultimate AF and ISO. No matter what. Their mission critical jobs pay for their top of the line equipment. And without top of the line equipment, they can't make a living.

What about other less-demanding pro-togs or enthusiasts? They will hesitate and think they might not need the top of the line AF and ISO. But they definitely want something better than 5D2. They will settle for a $4k deal. They were never meant to be the target audience of 1D X anyway.

Either way, I see Canon's future line of FF models somewhat better positioned than Nikon's.

 

[waving_odd]

Producing a camera that sells well and makes a ton of money is what its about. Selling a 100K 1DX cameras does not make the profit like selling 1 million 5D MK III's. Reducing the 1DX sales by 10% is not a concern.

If I need a 1DX, I would buy it regardless of a 5D MK III.

Bang on.

Flagship is never meant to be the top seller.

Affordable model for enthusiast is always the blockbuster.

A good analogy is like BMW's 6 Series and 3 Series coupe.

 

[waving_odd]

I'm sure we'll get more from CR in the morning, but this is the latest update on his Facebook account:

"5d3 not coming on feb 7. It will arrive later in the month. CR3.... Site post soon."

https://www.facebook.com/canonrumorsguy/posts/309985652381384

Yeah, announcing on the same day with competitor is weird (unless you're Jannard from RED :) Craig now says "later in Feb" is CR3. It isn't bad news at all. It might even be able to distract the media a bit away from the D4's delivery. :