*UPDATE* Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8 [CR3]

[Canon Rumors]

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<strong>*UPDATE*


</strong>I upgraded the announcement date to [CR3]. The specs I’ll leave at [CR2], I haven’t heard a confirmation of the short list below.</p>
<p><strong>New Rebel this week?


</strong>It appears June 8, 2012 may be the announcement date for the new Canon EOS T4i/650D. I am told the NDA’s lift that day. Friday seems to be the new favoured day of the week for Canon announcements. I didn’t get any new specs on the camera, so I posted the specs we reported earlier. I’ll post more if I get more.</p>
<p>I also expect a new EF-S 18-135 IS to be announced alongside the EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake.</p>
<p><strong>Specifications

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>18mp (no word on whether or not its a new or modified 18mp sensor)</li>
<li>9 AF Points, all cross-type</li>
<li>Touchscreen LCD</li>
<li>Continuous AF in LiveView & Video Recording</li>
</ul>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"> c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[EOBeav]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Yeah, I still don't know if I could get used to a touch screen on a dslr. Still, though, this should be a pretty sweet body for anybody just getting started out. Put some decent glass in front of it, and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get some nice images.

 

[RC]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Is it just me or do others also think a touchscreen on a camera is lame? Why would you want to muck up your LCD with smudges and fingerprints so it becomes a big messy glare?

It seems to me is just a "oooh cool, lets get this one Martha, it has a touch screen" gimmick? :

 

[nicku]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

hmmm.... Canon give us a good reason to upgrade from 550D to 650D ... don't mention the 600D to 650D. Disappointing, i have expected at least a 20MP sensor. Nikon ( if the rumor is true) , Canon just drove your D3200 sales up, UP, UP.

 

[draexler]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Any rumours on how the touchscreen will be integrated into the overall controls layout? Less buttons than the 600D or the same layout but with more quick-access features with the touchscreen?

 

[tylerfrankling]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

I do hope the touch screen isn't necessary, and will just compliment the physical buttons. Poking the screen is just going to make it impossible to see with the finger print marks, and if you tried to clean the screen quickly without turning it off, who knows what random settings you would change.

 

[dr croubie]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

It seems to me is just a "oooh cool, lets get this one Martha, it has a touch screen" gimmick? :

No offence to Rebel/xxxD owners, ... but isn't that pretty much their target market?

 

[nentraC]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

i think screen's are being smudged all redy by noses poking at them wen looking thru the viewfinder. So no diference there.

 

[RC]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

i think screen's are being smudged all redy by noses poking at them wen looking thru the viewfinder. So no diference there.

Valid point but this is the better argument:

...and if you tried to clean the screen quickly without turning it off, who knows what random settings you would change.

 

[daveheinzel]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

I do hope the touch screen isn't necessary, and will just compliment the physical buttons. Poking the screen is just going to make it impossible to see with the finger print marks, and if you tried to clean the screen quickly without turning it off, who knows what random settings you would change.

I remember the same argument when the first iPhone came out. Let's give Canon the benefit of having most likely addressed these obvious issues and see what they come out with. I'm curious to see what sort of software they've come up with to accompany touch input. Will be interesting to see how phone-like it is or if they've gone the extra mile to make it great, as opposed to just barely good enough.

 

[preppyak]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Is it just me or do others also think a touchscreen on a camera is lame? Why would you want to muck up your LCD with smudges and fingerprints so it becomes a big messy glare?

Most companies have done a pretty good job of solving this issue; don't see too many people freaking out that they can't see their iPad screen, and yet that is entirely a touch-screen interface.

It seems to me is just a "oooh cool, lets get this one Martha, it has a touch screen" gimmick? :

Sort of like a flip out screen was for the T3i. They basically didn't upgrade anything, but added a gimmick. Welcome to the Rebel line, where the T2i was the last really innovative upgrade. Reviews will tell, but it seems like the T4i is getting a few gimmicks (touch screen, video AF), with the AF being potentially the only real upgrade.

 

[sandymandy]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

If it gets DIGIC 5 thats another good upgrade.

 

[Silverstream]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

I saw a touchscreen on another point and shoot once. It was simply used to direct the focal point in live view quickly and easily which is something I find very slow with the current buttons. As to leaving marks on the screen, since I normally use the viewfinder, I am constantly smearing the lcd with oil and or sweat from my face when I'm working and just as constantly, wiping it off. I don't see how my fingers touching it will be worse than that if any worse since my fingertips are not as oily or as sweaty as my face.

I am set to order this T4i as soon as it is available to order as long as it has a new sensor. That to me is the heart and soul of the camera. There are other issues/features I'd like addressed particularly better faster low light focusing, but without a new sensor, I will not upgrade.

 

[idimoe]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Sort of like a flip out screen was for the T3i. They basically didn't upgrade anything, but added a gimmick. Welcome to the Rebel line, where the T2i was the last really innovative upgrade. Reviews will tell, but it seems like the T4i is getting a few gimmicks (touch screen, video AF), with the AF being potentially the only real upgrade.

Some would argue that the flip out screen is not a gimmick and is actually practical in some applications.

 

[Chewngum]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

the current 18MP sensor is terrible. Not event my best resolving lens produces sharp photos on my 7d, whether it is the AA filter or the sensor itself, Sony, pentax and Nikon have been killing Canon in this regard for years. How many years since they produced a new APS-C sensor, its been too long and they're losing customers because of it...or should be atleast(their brand name is what sells the cameras, not the cameras themselves for many rebel owners). I'm too invested in Canon gear to change and the 5d really was Canons saving grace for me, but seriously this coming has enough money to be upgrading low volume super teles and yet the cash cows have been englected, doesn't make much business sense to me, though niether does producing a lens almost two years after announcing it.

 

[Halocastle]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Since when did a "gimmick" become a bad thing?

"An ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal." - Dictionary.com

If a touch screen on a DSLR is a gimmick, great. I trust it will increase sales and Canon's marketshare.

Gimmick today, copied tomorrow (yes, the first "mirrorless" camera was a gimmick).

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

As to the debate about gimicks....

Vari-angle screens.... My personal opinion is that they are absolutly useless for hand held photography, yet when on a tripod live-view and vari-angle screens become useful, and when the camera is used on the telescope they are vital. In short, my opinion of them depends on how I am using the camera. There is no simple answer.

Touch screens..... look at the screens on a Ipod... you can expect this quality or better.... and just wait a few years till you see ipad apps controlling the camera with the live-view on the ipad.... and if you don't believe this could happen then don't use Ishutter for long exposure camera control and stay away from tethered shooting. In astrophotography we are already there.

These are starting points.... not the future... I remember the first digital camera that I used... 320 by 200 resolution in 16 colors.... now it wouldn't have the resolution to make a thumbnail.... we have to start somewhere and just because it isn't the way Ansel Adams did it, does that mean it is wrong?

 

[itsnotmeyouknow]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

i think screen's are being smudged all redy by noses poking at them wen looking thru the viewfinder. So no diference there.

Valid point but this is the better argument:

...and if you tried to clean the screen quickly without turning it off, who knows what random settings you would change.

Depends what kind of touch screen it is. If it requires, human heat like the iphone it is unlikely to be an issue.

 

[paul13walnut5]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

@daveheinzel

Let's give Canon the benefit of having most likely addressed these obvious issues and see what they come out with.

5D3 LCD backlight issue. 5D1 mirror issue. 1D3 AF issue. 50D banding issue. 7D Sandisk issue.
Lets not assume anything! Let the usual mugs buy the first ones at 25% more and beta test them for the rest of us.

@Chewngum

the current 18MP sensor is terrible. Not event my best resolving lens produces sharp photos on my 7d, whether it is the AA filter or the sensor itself,

Either your best resolving lenses aren't as sharp as you think, or you haven't set the camera up properly, or you can't use DPP or photoshop. 99% of 7D IQ moans are from people who would have been better sticking to rebels. The 7D is a camera that needs set up. Full stop. Set it up. Learn it. Tweak it. Much like the 1D users have been doing for years, and you'll get further. Expect it to behave like a rebel or x0D and you really have wasted your cash.

Nikon users have enjoyed, and enjoy to this day, better JPEGS out the body, price for price point.

Canon users have benefitted more from proper RAW processing, particularly sharpening and luma channel NR.

The 7D gets a poor rep on some forums. I think users who buy a camera designed to give you choices and to be set up and who fail excercise those choices or to spend time setting it up are the real problem.

If you own a 7D and aren't getting the results you want:

A) Chuck anything with a slower constant max aperture than f2.8
B) Chuck anything without a focus limiter switch
C) Chuck anything without a USM ring motor
D) Check out the CPS videos on AF set up.
E) Go out and practise on traffic through fences. Birds through trees.
F) Tweak it.
G) See E
H) See F
I) See G
L) See H
M) Use it in anger.
N) Try using a zone rather than just using auto select AF
O) Once you've got the hang of zones, try linked points
P) Once you've got the hang of linked points try individual points.

And this is before you get to the post processing side, and post processing is something Canon users have always had to live with. Not just on the 7D.

 

[itsnotmeyouknow]

Re: Canon Rebel T4i/650D on June 8, 2012? [CR2.5]

Sorry but A + B are absolute load of rubbish. Are you seriously saying that someone with a 400 f/5.6L and a 7D should chuck the lens? What utter nonsense. What would you suggest they get at say 600mm? Does anyone have enough cash to develope a f/2.8 and the strength in their arms to lift the amount of glass that would be required?

Focus limiter? What about using manual focus if your AF isn't working very quickly?