Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List

[Diltiazem]

We won't know anything until it gets... here's my point
From CanonWatch.com today.....

"Another email from a good source. The rumor contradicts parts of the latest supposed spec list that surfaced a few days ago.

That’s what I have been told:

the EOS 7D replacement will feature a 24MP sensor (no mention if it is a new sensor tech, or not)
a new generation of Dual Pixel CMOS AF is implemented thru the sensor and via the increased CPU power of the EOS 7D replacement
the auto-focus system of the EOS 5D Mark III will be on board
GPS and WiFi will be on board
still not sure if it will be named “EOS 7D Mark II”
Thanks to the source, please send in more information if you can!"

+1

The "confirmed" rumours say that it will have:
a 20.2Mp sensor and a 24Mp sensor that is somehow both new technology and the same as the 70D
It will have WiFi and it wont
It will have GPS and it wont
It will have an RT controller and it wont
It will be 10 or 12 FPS
It will have a built in flash and it wont
It will have a CF slot, a dual CF slot, and a mixed CD and SD slot (That's a lot of cards!)
It will have a fixed screen and an articulated screen
It will have a touchscreen and it will not
It will have 65 AF points, 45 AF points, and 19 AF points
It will have a 1DX top plate and it will not

and last but not least, it will be called the 7D2, the 7DX, or something else entirely....

Way to go nailing down those specifications!

It is fun doing the speculations. ;D
I didn't know there were two versions of 70D, one with Wifi and the other without.
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/280/28070D135_DL.PDF
Maybe 7DII will have two versions too and that maybe the source of some confusions.

 

[wsmith96]

Word is the 7D2 will have a removable LCD screen that can double as a smartwatch.

It's also a transformer so that the kiddos can have something to play with on long trips.

 

[DominoDude]

It will have 65 AF points, 45 AF points, and 19 AF points

129 AF points? Not bad, Canon.

The good thing is that all of those AF points will be stacked on top of each other at the center of the viewfinder to satisfy the desire of those who only need the centerpoint.

 

[Tugela]

Hello,
first of all, I take my Pictures with 5D MKII and MK III and owner of 7 L-lenses. During the last 2 years I did an update of my Equipment for more than 15.000 € now. Two years ago I considered to change to Nikon due to the innovations they presented with e.g. D800 or D800E especially the high resolution of the sensors. This based on the fact that I sell my pictures as prints and build up a Business with stock photos. Aside the Picture itself the technical data and expected resolutions continuously rising. At that time I thought Canon will follow Nikon and Sony and also be more innovativ.

Today I´m angry about my decision. The reasons are:
- No high resolution sensors with a quality like Nikon
- Arrogance of Canon in their behaviour with their Clients
- Price policy for new II-lenses

The high resolution and the quality of Nikon and Sony shows that this is not a game and that
high resolutions doesn´t mean low quality at low light Images.

Fact is that I will check again how much I will get for my current Canon Equipment and than I will decide if
to switchover to Nikon

regards
Juergen

H and G.

Could not have said it better (or shorter).

I am 100% sure the 7D will be an impressive camera. Probably like the 5D III an outstanding all arounder just with a crop sensor. Everyone who expects a sensor revolution with results better or only even close to current Canon FF-cameras will be disappointed.
Just as the current 7D this will be the only camera serious amateurs with a need for speed want. Everyone who needs top of the line IQ will get the 6D and those with deep pockets will reach for the 5D line.

My needs are to shoot both video and stills, and have everything compact enough to carry the camera and lenses in my backpack. For future proofing my work I require 4K video capability as a minimum in any new equipment, and I am surprised that anyone would have a lesser standard.

Right now no Canon camera meets my requirements, nor it does not like any will in the foreseeable future. It seems pretty clear that Canon do not understand the video needs of the users interested in imaging as opposed those only interested in taking stills or video. So, migration to a more forward thinking manufacturer seems like the best bet for my next equipment upgrade.

 

[Woody]

Way to go nailing down those specifications!

;D ;D

 

[Loswr]

Right now no Canon camera meets my requirements, nor it does not like any will in the foreseeable future. It seems pretty clear that Canon do not understand the video needs of the users interested in imaging as opposed those only interested in taking stills or video.

Doesn't understand...or understands quite well but has decided potential buyers with your specific needs don't constitute a fraction of the market significant enough to be worth the expenditures to meet those needs.

I'd bet it's the latter...

 

[DominoDude]

I hear that the boys over at Red is expecting a huge upswing of sales of the Epic Dragon. Must be that they are able to deliver all the video and stills capacity that is needed, and people don't even need to dump their L lenses.

 

[Don Haines]

Right now no Canon camera meets my requirements, nor it does not like any will in the foreseeable future. It seems pretty clear that Canon do not understand the video needs of the users interested in imaging as opposed those only interested in taking stills or video.

Doesn't understand...or understands quite well but has decided potential buyers with your specific needs don't constitute a fraction of the market significant enough to be worth the expenditures to meet those needs.

I'd bet it's the latter...

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

BTW, a 1D-C at 4K 24fps writes data at 4GB per minute. That is a sustained rate of 67MB per second of Mpeg... not RAW... That's a lot of data in a hurry!

 

[Loswr]

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right? It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

So basically we have no clue whatsoever.

 

[Don Haines]

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right? It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.

Good point, but what does it use to process the video.... discrete hardware or software? I wonder how much heat the digic chips on a Canon make running that hard.....

Even a GoPro will shoot 4K at 15fps and not overheat, but they definitely use dedicated hardware.

 

[Don Haines]

So basically we have no clue whatsoever.

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

We won't know anything until it gets... here's my point
From CanonWatch.com today.....

"Another email from a good source. The rumor contradicts parts of the latest supposed spec list that surfaced a few days ago.

That’s what I have been told:

the EOS 7D replacement will feature a 24MP sensor (no mention if it is a new sensor tech, or not)
a new generation of Dual Pixel CMOS AF is implemented thru the sensor and via the increased CPU power of the EOS 7D replacement
the auto-focus system of the EOS 5D Mark III will be on board
GPS and WiFi will be on board
still not sure if it will be named “EOS 7D Mark II”
Thanks to the source, please send in more information if you can!"

+1

The "confirmed" rumours say that it will have:
a 20.2Mp sensor and a 24Mp sensor that is somehow both new technology and the same as the 70D
It will have WiFi and it wont
It will have GPS and it wont
It will have an RT controller and it wont
It will be 10 or 12 FPS
It will have a built in flash and it wont
It will have a CF slot, a dual CF slot, and a mixed CD and SD slot (That's a lot of cards!)
It will have a fixed screen and an articulated screen
It will have a touchscreen and it will not
It will have 65 AF points, 45 AF points, and 19 AF points
It will have a 1DX top plate and it will not

and last but not least, it will be called the 7D2, the 7DX, or something else entirely....

Way to go nailing down those specifications!

yeah +1

I think sources have been shut down. You used to be able to get something useful.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right? It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.

Good point, but what does it use to process the video.... discrete hardware or software? I wonder how much heat the digic chips on a Canon make running that hard.....

Even a GoPro will shoot 4K at 15fps and not overheat, but they definitely use dedicated hardware.

They do and if they can, so can anyone else.

 

[Stu_bert]

In Germany a lot of professional photographers Change to Sony

In Podunk, Michigan a lot of professional photographers have switched to watercolors and canvas. I expect that'll have about the same impact on Canon's market share.

ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Stu_bert]

I hear that the boys over at Red is expecting a huge upswing of sales of the Epic Dragon. Must be that they are able to deliver all the video and stills capacity that is needed, and people don't even need to dump their L lenses.

If you have a spare 20K to spare....

 

[Stu_bert]

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right? It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.

Good point, but what does it use to process the video.... discrete hardware or software? I wonder how much heat the digic chips on a Canon make running that hard.....

Even a GoPro will shoot 4K at 15fps and not overheat, but they definitely use dedicated hardware.

GH4 has a smaller sensor IIRC....
Gigabyte switches do not consume 4x more power than a 100Mb switch I believe.
Each generation of Intel chip does more with less power.

I'm not sure therefore that the 4x increase in data bandwidth equates to significantly more power, but I might be wrong

 

[Stu_bert]

Keith at Northlight seems to have got confirmation from a source that the specs are "pretty solid"....

 

[Don Haines]

Keith at Northlight seems to have got confirmation from a source that the specs are "pretty solid"....

Northlight is famous for poor guesses.... they have been saying it is about to come out for two years, and after the 70D was released, they had solid rumours for the 7D2 that were lower speced than the 70D... Northlight isn't even worth reading for a laugh....

 

[Khufu]

We won't know anything until it gets... here's my point
From CanonWatch.com today.....

"Another email from a good source. The rumor contradicts parts of the latest supposed spec list that surfaced a few days ago.

That’s what I have been told:

the EOS 7D replacement will feature a 24MP sensor (no mention if it is a new sensor tech, or not)
a new generation of Dual Pixel CMOS AF is implemented thru the sensor and via the increased CPU power of the EOS 7D replacement
the auto-focus system of the EOS 5D Mark III will be on board
GPS and WiFi will be on board
still not sure if it will be named “EOS 7D Mark II”
Thanks to the source, please send in more information if you can!"

+1

The "confirmed" rumours say that it will have:
a 20.2Mp sensor and a 24Mp sensor that is somehow both new technology and the same as the 70D
It will have WiFi and it wont
It will have GPS and it wont
It will have an RT controller and it wont
It will be 10 or 12 FPS
It will have a built in flash and it wont
It will have a CF slot, a dual CF slot, and a mixed CD and SD slot (That's a lot of cards!)
It will have a fixed screen and an articulated screen
It will have a touchscreen and it will not
It will have 65 AF points, 45 AF points, and 19 AF points
It will have a 1DX top plate and it will not

and last but not least, it will be called the 7D2, the 7DX, or something else entirely....

Way to go nailing down those specifications!

It is fun doing the speculations. ;D
I didn't know there were two versions of 70D, one with Wifi and the other without.
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/280/28070D135_DL.PDF
Maybe 7DII will have two versions too and that maybe the source of some confusions.

The 7DX(w) will not have WiFi. There will also be a 7DX for regions where WiFi would result in legal complications; this model will also not have WiFi but for different reasons.