Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List

[Canon1]

For me. the sensor in this camera does not need to be as good as the 5D3 with respect to high ISO (which I don't believe is possible), but to meet my expectations, the quality of the noise in high ISO must be much better then current APS-C offerings. What made the 5D3 (and 1DX) so great at high ISO was detail retention through the quality of Noise (IMO). It is a luminance noise that is quite easy to clean up in post, rather then a detail robbing color noise full of blue and red pixels... which is very difficult to correct for. I get usable images out of the 5D3 at ISO 10,000 and 12,800 frequently. Really good quality up to ISO 6400. If the 7D2 (or whatever it is called) delivers a sensor with IQ and noise quality even 1 or 1.5 stops below the 5D3... I would buy it.

 

[crashpc]

Totally agree with "cleaning with ease". From what I´ve seen (DPR comparison tool) it would be nice to have 5D II noise, quality and lattitude. I´d pick it immediately then (if they placed it in EOS M3).

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Funny , all this fuss about a consumer camera . Dreamers discuss specs on plastic consumer cameras like the 7d, Real photographers just buy the pro body , ie. the Canon 1dx . Nuff said

What a dumb thing to say.

The 7D and the 1D series have about the same ratio of plastic to metal (it's pretty high, actually).

I know lots of pros who will not use the 1D series because of the idiotic built-in grip.

The 7D will crush the 1Dx when it comes to focal length or magnification limited situations.

Lets also not forget that not all pros neeed the features of a 1dx, mainly the fps and the extra juju for servo tracking. A lot of pros use 5d's because of this factor - a 1dx for weddings is a bit of overkill (not that it wouldn't kick major butt!....but it would be kind of like having a a fancy fast race car but adding a governor to it so it can only reach a max speed of 70mph. For weddings I generally have my 5d3 on silent mode, and, I have been opting to just not have burst mode on at all (yeah, I could just go with servo mode and rapid fire, but I'd rather come away with 5-10 great shots of the bride coming down the aisle 50-70 rapid fire at 12 fps --- I already feel like i shoot too much at weddings and need to calm down on the shutter and be more calculated with my shots.)

So no, not all pros use a 1dx, nor do all pros need a 1dx. A good portion of that price tag is all about fps, and buffer, and AF tracking...strip that away and you get a 5 series body! There are some other bells and whisltes the 1dx has that would rock, but no, not everyone needs a machine gun of a camera...

 

[x-vision]

Here are the numbers (scroll down to the second table):
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/full-frame-dslr-cameras-canon-stays-the-course/

Two years old... Srsly where do you people get that fact that they don´t use 180nm or even smaller tech for new sensors? I see no hint of this or opposite....

The 1DX, 5DIII, and 6D are all made on old 500nm CMOS process - whether you like it or not.

The only newer sensor than that is the 70D sensor.
There's no publicly available info on which process it is using.
It's possible that it's made on 180nm process, considering the dual-pixel tech.
This has not been confirmed, though.

On the other hand, even the 70D is using off-sensor A/D conversion - like all other Canon sensors.
This is visible with the naked eye if you look at the 70D main circuit board.
It also explains the typical low DR score on DxO.

When Canon announces a 4K/60fps video sensor (either in a DSLR or in a Cinema camera),
this will be a sure sigh that they have moved to on-sensor ADC and newer manufacturing process.
This is when Canon's DR scores will shoot up to match/exceed the competition.

Until then, Canon will continue lagging behind Sony and Nikon in DR.
Deal with it 8).

 

[crashpc]

Here are the numbers (scroll down to the second table):
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/full-frame-dslr-cameras-canon-stays-the-course/

Two years old... Srsly where do you people get that fact that they don´t use 180nm or even smaller tech for new sensors? I see no hint of this or opposite....

The 1DX, 5DIII, and 6D are all made on old 500nm CMOS process - whether you like it or not.

The only newer sensor than that is the 70D sensor.
There's no publicly available info on which process it is using.
It's possible that it's made on 180nm process, considering the dual-pixel tech.
This has not been confirmed, though.

On the other hand, even the 70D is using off-sensor A/D conversion - like all other Canon sensors.
This is visible with the naked eye if you look at the 70D main circuit board.
It also explains the typical low DR score on DxO.

When Canon announces a 4K/60fps video sensor (either in a DSLR or in a Cinema camera),
this will be a sure sigh that they have moved to on-sensor ADC and newer manufacturing process.
This is when Canon's DR scores will shoot up to match/exceed the competition.

Until then, Canon will continue lagging behind Sony and Nikon in DR.
Deal with it 8).

Of course. I take 5D III sensor as old thing in this topic. I mean newest sensors for new products. As mentioned many times, they have that tech.

For other things it´s not that easy and there is more to it than that. If you can count, you can count that there is actually NO problem with 500nm process if you don´t push it by too fast readout. Compared (good design) with 180nm process, there is no chance to loose more than 1,5db of signal or DR. This is nothing near to two or more stops... The problem is with circuity design. Hope they solve it. I´d be happier to have this solved on 500nm - and as you can see with possible 180nm process of 70D sensor, it hasn´t been solved, because the problem is elsewhere.

 

[that1guyy]

There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right? It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.

GH4 has internal 4k although it is 8 bit 4:2:0.