*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Normally you should expect to get after 3 years of development something better for the same price... With the logic, that the price is okay with extra features EVERYTHING will getting more and more expensive..
My 3 year old televion... 1400,- EUR ... With this logic a new television with tons of more features (LAN, 200hz, 3D) should cost much more... But no! ist less expensive... Same with my car... Paied 15k for it a few years ago.. Now you get a improved model for the same price...
I really cant go with this argument, that after 3 years of development a bit better iso, dual cf/sd and finally a good AF justify the bigger price
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Normally you should expect to get after 3 years of development something better for the same price... With the logic, that the price is okay with extra features EVERYTHING will getting more and more expensive..
My 3 year old televion... 1400,- EUR ... With this logic a new television with tons of more features (LAN, 200hz, 3D) should cost much more... But no! ist less expensive... Same with my car... Paied 15k for it a few years ago.. Now you get a improved model for the same price...
I really cant go with this argument, that after 3 years of development a bit better iso, dual cf/sd and finally a good AF justify the bigger price
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Though if I was Canon I would brand a 5d like body with superior autofocus a different name other than 5D like they did with the 7d to prevent confusion and better justify the price increase. I would keep the 5d/3 line a high megapixel like the Nikon D800 but with a lackluster autofocus and improved dynamic range for studio/landscape work required for large prints.
Though if I was Canon I would brand a 5d like body with superior autofocus a different name other than 5D like they did with the 7d to prevent confusion and better justify the price increase. I would keep the 5d/3 line a high megapixel like the Nikon D800 but with a lackluster autofocus and improved dynamic range for studio/landscape work required for large prints.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
OK, here's my two penneth worth (2 cents in American terms
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Dual Cards - would have preferred both the same, but i'll take 2 card slots. At 22mp i will continue to work with 8gb cards like i do with my 5D2's. So, 8gb SDHC is hardly the end of the world as a back up format. Also, having the SD size card means i don't have to carry a card reader to use with my iPad - just the camera connector kit.
22mp - i'm fine with this, as i was prepared to drop to 18mp for a 1DX.
61 pt AF - if this is any where near what is being offered with the 1DX i'm getting 2 of them to replace my 5D2's just for that feature alone. If you've handled a 1DX, you'll know what i mean.
6fps - not bothered one way or another - never really use the 3.5fps on the 5D2 so, no benefit.
ISO - not really announced - but i'm expecting it to go to a usable 12800 - 2 stops below the 1DX.
Video - will doubtless be an improvement on current 5D2.
Weather proofing - i suspect will be improved as this really does look like a 7D replacement as well as a 5D2 replacement.
I hope this comes with the nice battery grip.
Price - $3500 = £2400 - £2600 according to ER fluctuations. I'm in for 2 of them, really.
It's just about all my prayers answered - what price for the camera of your 'specific wish list"?
I might even off load my 17-40 and 24-105 and get one of them with the new 24-70 if it gonna be a kit lens for this body.
OK, here's my two penneth worth (2 cents in American terms
)Dual Cards - would have preferred both the same, but i'll take 2 card slots. At 22mp i will continue to work with 8gb cards like i do with my 5D2's. So, 8gb SDHC is hardly the end of the world as a back up format. Also, having the SD size card means i don't have to carry a card reader to use with my iPad - just the camera connector kit.
22mp - i'm fine with this, as i was prepared to drop to 18mp for a 1DX.
61 pt AF - if this is any where near what is being offered with the 1DX i'm getting 2 of them to replace my 5D2's just for that feature alone. If you've handled a 1DX, you'll know what i mean.
6fps - not bothered one way or another - never really use the 3.5fps on the 5D2 so, no benefit.
ISO - not really announced - but i'm expecting it to go to a usable 12800 - 2 stops below the 1DX.
Video - will doubtless be an improvement on current 5D2.
Weather proofing - i suspect will be improved as this really does look like a 7D replacement as well as a 5D2 replacement.
I hope this comes with the nice battery grip.
Price - $3500 = £2400 - £2600 according to ER fluctuations. I'm in for 2 of them, really.
It's just about all my prayers answered - what price for the camera of your 'specific wish list"?
I might even off load my 17-40 and 24-105 and get one of them with the new 24-70 if it gonna be a kit lens for this body.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
In terms of the price, 3,500 for Canon, and 3,000 for Nikon, how may first time camera buyers are going to consider either of these two models? Probably very few.
The average person buying this is already going to be a Canon user, and have glass, speed lights etc. While an extra 500 is money no one wants to spend, most people realistically will not sell everything and switch to Nikon.
In terms of the price, 3,500 for Canon, and 3,000 for Nikon, how may first time camera buyers are going to consider either of these two models? Probably very few.
The average person buying this is already going to be a Canon user, and have glass, speed lights etc. While an extra 500 is money no one wants to spend, most people realistically will not sell everything and switch to Nikon.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Like many of you I was disappointed in the price, believing $3k would be body-only max price. No mention of FPS in the latest (CR3) specs. Hope that it's 6.9 fps as mentioned earlier.
I find the CF+SD card choice a bit odd. IMO, 2 CF slots makes more sense for camera in 5D family. It makes even more sense to include the new XQD card format - which has size similar to SD, but thickness of CF. This would be paving the way to use the latest card technology.
I am also hoping for a double-exposure capability similar to that described for the 1D X. Maybe an increase in bracketing up to +/-5 or +/-7 exposures.
Also, what is predicted performance at high ISO - what is the DR?
Like many of you I was disappointed in the price, believing $3k would be body-only max price. No mention of FPS in the latest (CR3) specs. Hope that it's 6.9 fps as mentioned earlier.
I find the CF+SD card choice a bit odd. IMO, 2 CF slots makes more sense for camera in 5D family. It makes even more sense to include the new XQD card format - which has size similar to SD, but thickness of CF. This would be paving the way to use the latest card technology.
I am also hoping for a double-exposure capability similar to that described for the 1D X. Maybe an increase in bracketing up to +/-5 or +/-7 exposures.
Also, what is predicted performance at high ISO - what is the DR?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
If these specs pan out, this puts me in a real pickle. I have a D800 on preorder, which I can easily cancel, and the 5DIII offers an intriguing balance of resolution and speed. It's not so much the $3,500 price that irks me, but rather the premium Canon is asking over a D800, money that will come in handy in offsetting the money I stand to lose by switching systems.
For me, I think the determining factor will be when the 5DIII will actually start shipping. I have several potentially lucrative gigs coming up in the next 2-3 months where the features of both the 5DIII and D800 will come in handy. If there's going to be a 1Dx-like delay to get a 5DIII, that might be what pushes me over the edge. I suppose we'll know a release date soon enough!
If these specs pan out, this puts me in a real pickle. I have a D800 on preorder, which I can easily cancel, and the 5DIII offers an intriguing balance of resolution and speed. It's not so much the $3,500 price that irks me, but rather the premium Canon is asking over a D800, money that will come in handy in offsetting the money I stand to lose by switching systems.
For me, I think the determining factor will be when the 5DIII will actually start shipping. I have several potentially lucrative gigs coming up in the next 2-3 months where the features of both the 5DIII and D800 will come in handy. If there's going to be a 1Dx-like delay to get a 5DIII, that might be what pushes me over the edge. I suppose we'll know a release date soon enough!
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
$3500 sounds about right and is what I've been expecting for the last year and a half, especially since it finally got the pro-level AF it deserved.
I will definitely be buying this camera if it matches these specifications, and I don't think $3500 is overpriced.
the question is, who is a 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens targeted at? how about a replacement 35mm f/2? that's a lens I would buy (although not at the $800 price range that canon seems to think slow primes should go for)
$3500 sounds about right and is what I've been expecting for the last year and a half, especially since it finally got the pro-level AF it deserved.
I will definitely be buying this camera if it matches these specifications, and I don't think $3500 is overpriced.
the question is, who is a 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens targeted at? how about a replacement 35mm f/2? that's a lens I would buy (although not at the $800 price range that canon seems to think slow primes should go for)
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-RC-6-Wireless-Controller-Digital/dp/B0037NX6JY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329944329&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/NEEWER%C2%AE-Wireless-Control-shutter-release/dp/B004WB8EYM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1329944329&sr=8-3
I dont exactly have good faith in the Canon pricing policy. Basically, their all a rip off either way. We dont really have a choice tho so we pay any way. Just because it supposedly has the 61pt AF doesnt mean its going to be as good as the 1DX and the dual card slots is stupid.
Really, you have to be kind of dumb to read to much into these specs. Im only as good as my last photo, and if this camera doesnt take unbelievable pix the specs can be damned. Ill wait till its been in the field for a while and the honest reviews are in before i make my decision.
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-RC-6-Wireless-Controller-Digital/dp/B0037NX6JY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329944329&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/NEEWER%C2%AE-Wireless-Control-shutter-release/dp/B004WB8EYM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1329944329&sr=8-3
I dont exactly have good faith in the Canon pricing policy. Basically, their all a rip off either way. We dont really have a choice tho so we pay any way. Just because it supposedly has the 61pt AF doesnt mean its going to be as good as the 1DX and the dual card slots is stupid.
Really, you have to be kind of dumb to read to much into these specs. Im only as good as my last photo, and if this camera doesnt take unbelievable pix the specs can be damned. Ill wait till its been in the field for a while and the honest reviews are in before i make my decision.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Well, the 5D2 + 24-105 kit is $3199 at B&H today. So I don't think that $3500 could be for the 5D3 + 24-105 kit, just $300 for the new body? No.
Perhaps for the new 5D3 + 50mm f/1.8 kit? Perhaps.
I'm wondering about the 5D2 returning to CLP. It was $1599 for the refurbs there a while back and then Canon pulled it
ramon123 said:
Well, the 5D2 + 24-105 kit is $3199 at B&H today. So I don't think that $3500 could be for the 5D3 + 24-105 kit, just $300 for the new body? No.
Perhaps for the new 5D3 + 50mm f/1.8 kit? Perhaps.
I'm wondering about the 5D2 returning to CLP. It was $1599 for the refurbs there a while back and then Canon pulled it
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
That's the million dollar question. If I owned a 5DII, which I don't, I probably wouldn't be inclined to order up a 5DIII unless there was a significant improvement in ISO and DR.
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That's the million dollar question. If I owned a 5DII, which I don't, I probably wouldn't be inclined to order up a 5DIII unless there was a significant improvement in ISO and DR.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Like some others here I am disappointed with the price.
I know its till just a rumor but I was expecting $3k. I would not have hesitated to purchase. But another $500 makes me wonder.
Perhaps the price is wrong... the d800 was rumored to be about $300-$500 more than the price they announced it at, so perhaps this case is similar.
I'm upgrading from a 550d, so I dont already have full frame. So my choice is BETWEEN the 5d2 and the 5d3, not a choice between getting the 5d3 or doing nothing. I'll discount the D800e option altogether because of the cost of replacing all my glass. I am even more excited about upgrading to FF for a silly sounding reason as well, I recently started using an old 35mm film slr and LOVE the increased size oft he viewfinder over a crop body.
5d2 is currently $2.3k body only so for the price of a body only 5d3 I could get the 5d2 with the 100mm f/2.8L Macro lens or the 8-15mm f/4 fisheye instead.
I dont need that much of an advanced AF system, better than the 5d2 would have been nice. I dont need the fps.
Its roughly the same mp as the 5d2. So no extra blowing up opportunities from the 5d2.
Obviously we have no word on iq compared to 5d2 yet... and thats a very important unknown because when it comes to it I couldnt care less about the specs in the end... the quality of the final image is everything.
Better performance at higher iso would be nice... but if it isnt much better with noise etc at low-medium iso than the 5d2 then I'm not sure if the extra $1200 over a 5d2 is worth it for me.
Perhaps the build quality is more rugged and the weather sealing improved too?
I REALLY didnt want to bitch when the camera so many of us have been waiting for is almost upon us but that extra $500 over what I thought they could price it at has left me more than a little disappointed. Its not a value thing, its just a raw thats $3500 thing... I am not complaining about the specs offered for that price and accusing them of ripping customers off as I suspect some of the other commenters might. I'm not asking for more specs and asking for more less money... I was kinda just expecting to buy $3k worth of Canon FF and not $3500 worth of Canon FF...
The other piece of my puzzle is when can I get my hands on it... I'm planning Grand Canyon, Antelope and Monument Valley for August... one way or another I will be going with a full frame camera and not my 550d.
Ah, decisions, decisions...
Like some others here I am disappointed with the price.
I know its till just a rumor but I was expecting $3k. I would not have hesitated to purchase. But another $500 makes me wonder.
Perhaps the price is wrong... the d800 was rumored to be about $300-$500 more than the price they announced it at, so perhaps this case is similar.
I'm upgrading from a 550d, so I dont already have full frame. So my choice is BETWEEN the 5d2 and the 5d3, not a choice between getting the 5d3 or doing nothing. I'll discount the D800e option altogether because of the cost of replacing all my glass. I am even more excited about upgrading to FF for a silly sounding reason as well, I recently started using an old 35mm film slr and LOVE the increased size oft he viewfinder over a crop body.
5d2 is currently $2.3k body only so for the price of a body only 5d3 I could get the 5d2 with the 100mm f/2.8L Macro lens or the 8-15mm f/4 fisheye instead.
I dont need that much of an advanced AF system, better than the 5d2 would have been nice. I dont need the fps.
Its roughly the same mp as the 5d2. So no extra blowing up opportunities from the 5d2.
Obviously we have no word on iq compared to 5d2 yet... and thats a very important unknown because when it comes to it I couldnt care less about the specs in the end... the quality of the final image is everything.
Better performance at higher iso would be nice... but if it isnt much better with noise etc at low-medium iso than the 5d2 then I'm not sure if the extra $1200 over a 5d2 is worth it for me.
Perhaps the build quality is more rugged and the weather sealing improved too?
I REALLY didnt want to bitch when the camera so many of us have been waiting for is almost upon us but that extra $500 over what I thought they could price it at has left me more than a little disappointed. Its not a value thing, its just a raw thats $3500 thing... I am not complaining about the specs offered for that price and accusing them of ripping customers off as I suspect some of the other commenters might. I'm not asking for more specs and asking for more less money... I was kinda just expecting to buy $3k worth of Canon FF and not $3500 worth of Canon FF...
The other piece of my puzzle is when can I get my hands on it... I'm planning Grand Canyon, Antelope and Monument Valley for August... one way or another I will be going with a full frame camera and not my 550d.
Ah, decisions, decisions...
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Question for the CR Guy: Is the FPS still rumored at 6.9?
Question for the CR Guy: Is the FPS still rumored at 6.9?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
Supposedly in late March. I'll send you a PM when I get mine if you're that concerned.
BTW, have you gotten your 1Dx yet? Oh, wait....
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Supposedly in late March. I'll send you a PM when I get mine if you're that concerned.
BTW, have you gotten your 1Dx yet? Oh, wait....
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