*UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]

[Waterdonkey]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

"I find the CF+SD card choice a bit odd. IMO, 2 CF slots makes more sense for camera in 5D family. It makes even more sense to include the new XQD card format - which has size similar to SD, but thickness of CF. This would be paving the way to use the latest card technology. "

This "paving the way" Point is VERY interesting. I'm coming to this from a video point of view and the getting of the info on to the card is the bottleneck. The XQD is fast. Hummmm

 

[wickidwombat]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

i hate that the little lock switches on SD cards break off too easily rendering them completely useless, If they made them without those It might improved the durability of them

 

[RedEye]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's not going to be 22MP... it's not going to be 22MP ... it's not going to be 22MP! This is nonsensical and makes no sense between the two largest market competitors.

 

[maxxevv]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Strange, I distinctly remembered that the 5DmkII launch price was US$2799 or US$2899 back those 3 years plus ago. ???

In any case, its not a direct 5D replacement if you consider the features.

Its somewhat like the difference between the 50D and the 7D at launch and the difference in % between those 2 cameras. When you actually calculate the % difference, this one is actually less !

 

[Martin]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Unbelievable. I took 3 years to put good but probably old AF to 5d2. Now we gonna pay much more for standard product which should be in offer 3 years ago. Nothing special, nothing great...as always. Now guys from Canon will test their marketing and psychology knowledge to make us extremely happy that the company created a camera that can follow market standards with AF.... 22Mp would be great in nowadays market (pretty enough for me) if they improve ISO and dynamic range. Really hope they will do that. AF presented in rumor should be a standard (maybe with less points), even 3 years ago, not a great improvement. Canon made us think that that is outstanding. NO! It is a standard at present. I own a lot of lenses from Canon but have no camera (sold 5d2 last week). Now I am just waiting what will come. Decision maker, sell and go with Nikon or stay and buy 5d3. Anyway, doesn't it sound strange for you-competition launches a 36Mpix camera with probably good ISO, nice dynamic range (should not be worse than d700), very, very good and reliable AF, and "our" Canon will just improve AF in new product in order to follow a kind of market standard (AF that just works in many conditions and accurately hits the target). Can't be! Hope that i am wrong. In other words-I am just confused-why should I stay with Canon, despite the fact that i own 5 lenses? I am just trying to answer the question for myself for several months waiting for new 5D and being a little bit frustrated with 5d2 after my long experience with N.D300. Is that really possible that they will miss a customers expectations so much? If they will, what have they been doing for such a long time? Trying to put several components into one body? Seems strange for me.

 

[D_Rochat]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I'm very excited about this release. Sure $3500 (+grip) is slightly more than I was expecting, but like others mentioned, it'll be a little less once it hits the streets. If it has a decent frame rate, this will be the ultimate "do everything" FF camera, from studio to sports, at around $3k. That's a pretty sexy camera to me. I'm on the edge of my seat with this one and I've got a significant discount lined up that may get me one even cheaper.

Canon could still release a second version that is the MP monster that some really want. Sit tight and see what happens.

 

[canartist]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I don't see that as being the case, with the 5D mk2 vs the D700 Canon offered superior resolution and video while Nikon offered superior AF, build and FPS.

I respectfully disagree. It wasn't like canon wanted to offer superior resolution, they had no other choice as they will never offer pro AF in anything other than 1D series. So canon decided to sacrifice 1Ds sensor to protect their 1D sports market. If they did it the other way and offered pro AF, pro built, weatherseals in $2500 body, how are they gonna justify their $4500 1D?

Video was added by their marketing as a gimmick and it worked.

 

[canartist]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I really hope they bump AEB up to 7 with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.

 

[dash2k8]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Someone might have mentioned it already, but I have to say it: I hate the CF/SD thing. Why not just CF x2?

 

[mws]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I really hope they bump AEB up to 7 with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.

There is always Magic Lantern. It's easier to use then you think. I put it on my 50D just because I wanted to try out the video on it for the heck of it, and was quite impressed with all the other features.

 

[SPG]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I don't agree that it would eat out of the C300 market. The people buying them are out of completely different ponds. The C300 well makes up for it's price in it's features and functionality alone. Even if they were both 4K I'm sure they wouldn't be the same quality. Professional shoots demand convenience in order to save time and shooting with a DSLR certainly isn't convenient.

Hollywood is using footage from 5DMIIs all the time! They are essentially disposable cameras. The problem is that they aren't 4K. Theaters project a 4K image and if they provided that Hollywood would be all over it. Action films would eat them for breakfast.

Most theaters do NOT project in 4k. They're still mostly 2k. The reason why there is some demand for a 4k camera (besides the "mine is bigger!" crowd) is for post production and processing flexibility, although it actually complicates the post production workflow and adds expense. One of the reasons why the C300 is not a 4k camera is for workflow. It's intended to give a really good image right out of the camera so you don't have to grade or color correct every single frame that you shot. Shoot it, load it in, edit, output...fast and still looks good. Ever see the RED 4k footage straight out of the camera? Not so good. It holds up amazingly well in grading, but by the time you're even ready to edit the footage the C300's footage will already be airing on TV. Not a big deal for a feature movie, but a real big deal for fast turn around TV work.
4k is nice at this point for future proofing, but most people won't have anywhere to show 4k footage for years.

 

[Daniel Flather]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Canon needs to do better to distinguish the market for EF and EF-S lenses and the same for EOS bodies.
Currently, they mix it all up without marketing the advantages of FF or crop properly. If I'm shopping for a Toyota, don't show me a Lexus. It makes the customer feel like they are getting an inferior product.

Very good point. If the aps-c is here to stay the current ef-s line up needs a little work. No fast primes (no primes except the 60, but that does not count). Canon does very little to market the crop vs ff. I know the vast majority of rebel buyers don't care about it , but I think they might be missing some potential sales overall. I have a 50d and I've been waiting for the new 5d for a long time.

Where did CR get this spec list? It's not official so it still can change —it's not from Canon.

Let's make it official and give me my f#*%#ng 5d3!

 

[Daniel Flather]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's interesting to me that most things that are technical in nature like computers, monitors, etc... tend to get better every year and the price drops every year for the same features. I don't really understand why cameras don't fall in that realm, it's a shame isn't it?

+1 Top of the line computers have sold for similar price for some time - with added features and performance. Why not cameras too?

If the 5d was released in 1999, what would have been its cost then verses today?

 

[wickidwombat]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I really hope they bump AEB up to 7 with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.

As the frenchman in monthy python and the holy grail said " I've Already got one"
Just would like my 5D to be able to do it, I prefer the non gripped form factor over the 1 series bulk

 

[D.Sim]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

woah... impressive... very impressive

 

[canartist]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I really hope they bump AEB up to 7 with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.

There is always Magic Lantern. It's easier to use then you think. I put it on my 50D just because I wanted to try out the video on it for the heck of it, and was quite impressed with all the other features.

Sure, but that is a third party solution. Is there a hardware limitation stopping them offering AEB upto 7 ?
Their marketing decided that you have to cough up for 1 series body for that feature.

 

[bvukich]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

It's interesting to me that most things that are technical in nature like computers, monitors, etc... tend to get better every year and the price drops every year for the same features. I don't really understand why cameras don't fall in that realm, it's a shame isn't it?

+1 Top of the line computers have sold for similar price for some time - with added features and performance. Why not cameras too?

If the 5d was released in 1999 what would have been its cost then verses today?

Orders of magnitude more.

But for some perspective.... The 5D was released October 2005 for $3299USD. Adjusted for inflation that's $3828.82 today ( http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp ) .

 

[canartist]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

if Canon announce: weather sealing, clean HDMI and user-selectable AA filter ;-)

Lol, i guess you gotta mix up of brands..!!

When HDMI is crippled in 1Dx, their flagship, why would they implement it in 5D ?

 

[EchoLocation]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

Just to start off, I'm not a Nikon Fan Boy at all. I own a 5DC and 24-105 and 50 1.4 along with a speedlite.

BUT.... I don't see how these specs justify a 1000 dollar price increase from the 5DII to III....
The only significant upgrades are in the AF and the FPS. Technology should go down in price somewhat, not up.
Outside of video, it was widely considered that Nikon had the upper hand with the D700 vs the 5DII.
The AF on the 5DII was a joke(literally,) which makes me a little nervous about any 1st Gen Canon AF system.

One of the main reasons I chose Canon over Nikon was their more reasonable lens and body prices.
Now we have the 24-70 at 2300dollars compared to Nikons at 1850
and the 5DIII at 3500 compared to the D800 at 3000.

While Canon fans love Canon.... There is definitely no overall consensus that Canon is better than Nikon, in fact i'd say it's more the opposite.

I am really having a hard time seeing how the 5DIII should be priced 500 dollars more than the D800(which has a proven pro level AF system, more MP(which I actually don't want at all))

I wouldn't buy the D800 because I literally don't want 36MP at all... but the D700 is looking wayyyyy better to me than the 5DII.

I think Canon really screwed up on pricing, as I was totally prepared to see a 2800 opening price with a street price of 2500 dollars.

All I really wanted was a 5DII with a 7D AF system at around 2300 dollars.... which is something I thought very possible after 3+ years of being out...

 

[tjc320]

Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]

I don't agree that it would eat out of the C300 market. The people buying them are out of completely different ponds. The C300 well makes up for it's price in it's features and functionality alone. Even if they were both 4K I'm sure they wouldn't be the same quality. Professional shoots demand convenience in order to save time and shooting with a DSLR certainly isn't convenient.

Hollywood is using footage from 5DMIIs all the time! They are essentially disposable cameras. The problem is that they aren't 4K. Theaters project a 4K image and if they provided that Hollywood would be all over it. Action films would eat them for breakfast.

Most theaters do NOT project in 4k. They're still mostly 2k. The reason why there is some demand for a 4k camera (besides the "mine is bigger!" crowd) is for post production and processing flexibility, although it actually complicates the post production workflow and adds expense. One of the reasons why the C300 is not a 4k camera is for workflow. It's intended to give a really good image right out of the camera so you don't have to grade or color correct every single frame that you shot. Shoot it, load it in, edit, output...fast and still looks good. Ever see the RED 4k footage straight out of the camera? Not so good. It holds up amazingly well in grading, but by the time you're even ready to edit the footage the C300's footage will already be airing on TV. Not a big deal for a feature movie, but a real big deal for fast turn around TV work.
4k is nice at this point for future proofing, but most people won't have anywhere to show 4k footage for years.

You're right. I didn't look into how many theaters actually implement 4K projectors. I just knew that theaters can project a 4K image. Most of which are large chain theaters. However, I believe that large productions that have the budgets to use DSLRs as disposable could use the 4K because those are the films that are outputting for 4K.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-digitalcinema/resource.latest.bbsccms-assets-mkt-digicinema-latest-4kmoviereleaseslisting.shtml#2011
http://sony.links.channelintelligence.com/oemsites/6553221/4K/sony4k.html?pg=2