Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap

[goldenhusky]

Re: Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap -- Look for New Medium Format in 2018

I get rumor mail all the time from friends in Europe
and this is what I received in that last week from
friends in the Netherlands who forwarded this
originally German-sourced spec sheet to me
about a new medium format Canon camera
with an absolutely H-U-G-E Canon-sourced
sensor. I've been told sometime 2018 or 2019
this will be announced as it has been worked
on for some time now by Canon. I haven't
changed the text below. It is exactly as
I received it....................

Don't want to quote the whole thing so cut that short. This sounded like dreaming about the absolute best thing in life and suddenly hearing spouse or partner yelling at you and waking up to the reality. ;D

Here is my take Canon has the potential to make such a camera but if they do today it will be at least a $50k camera and that does not make any business sense. Even at the price range mentioned here it is way out of the range I can afford. So I can only dream

 

[Pippan]

Re: Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap -- Look for New Medium Format in 2018

* Canon Clog/Clog2/Clog3 and five User-definable Log file entries are confirmed present.

The rumour must be true. It comes from the Netherlands and it has clogs!

 

[3kramd5]

The return potential for Canon is quite simple: make the same cameras they sell today for less production cost. Mirrorless lets them do that

Are we sure about that? Do we know an EVF is cheaper than the mirror assembly etc? I've seen no evidence either way, and would be glad if you (or anyone else!) had some.

The only point of going mirrorless is if they adopt the 18mm flange depth

??

You say "only reason," I say "worst case scenario."

EF is the way to go. Keep the mount and existing lenses, fill the volume with batteries and heatsyncs.

 

[ahsanford]

The only point of going mirrorless is if they adopt the 18mm flange depth

??

You say "only reason," I say "worst case scenario."

EF is the way to go. Keep the mount and existing lenses, fill the volume with batteries and heatsyncs.

+1 to 3k's rebuttal but not necessarily to 3k's position.

No one on this planet knows what flange depth (full EF or 'thin' mount) Canon will choose for FF mirrorless, so a position of certainty either way is a guess and nothing more. There are two wildly differently positioned camps on this issue and both are dead set that 'mirrorless is all about _____ so the mount must be ______ and I'm certain of it'.

But we don't know.

It could go either way or even conceivably even both ways (i.e. a skinny mount offering and an EF mount offering) if there is enough interest. Time will tell.

- A

 

[3kramd5]

The only point of going mirrorless is if they adopt the 18mm flange depth

??

You say "only reason," I say "worst case scenario."

EF is the way to go. Keep the mount and existing lenses, fill the volume with batteries and heatsyncs.

+1 to 3k's rebuttal but not necessarily to 3k's position.

No one on this planet knows what flange depth (full EF or 'thin' mount) Canon will choose for FF mirrorless, so a position of certainty either way is a guess and nothing more. There are two wildly differently positioned camps on this issue and both are dead set that 'mirrorless is all about _____ so the mount must be ______ and I'm certain of it'.

But we don't know.

It could go either way or even conceivably even both ways (i.e. a skinny mount offering and an EF mount offering) if there is enough interest. Time will tell.

- A

I admit "worst case scenario" was hyperbolic.

My main incredulity is that choosing that specific flange length is the *only point* of eliminating the mirror.

I can see why canon would like to sell another line of lenses, but I'd like to use the ones I have and without adapters (my ~2 years using Sony mirrorless has turned me off of them).

 

[jolyonralph]

What happened to the new EF-M 'quality' zoom lens?

 

[powershot2012]

How about the PowerShot line? Any specific upcoming models?

<p>2017 isn’t shaping up to being a big year for Canon, but there are going to be a fair number of popular announcements this year. Below is what we can confirm is coming in 2017, even if we cannot confirm exactly when things are coming.</p>
<p>We also touch on a few things that won’t be coming this year, in case you’re on the fence about a purchase.</p>
<p><strong>DSLRs</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Canon EOS 6D Mark II</strong>


<em>This is the most anticipated DSLR from Canon this year. We expect to see it in late Q2/early Q3</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EOS Rebel SL2</strong>


<em>The smallest DSLR in the lineup will get a refresh in 2017. We expect it to be specced pretty close to the EOS Rebel T7i.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Lenses</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS</strong>


<em>This is a highly anticipated lens and we expect it to come around some time in Q3 of 2017.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 M IS STM</strong>


<em>We haven’t confirmed the focal length of this lens yet, but it will be announced on or around April 5, 2017. We’ve also been told that it’ll have a unique feature for an EF-S lens.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon 135mm</strong>


<em>There is some kind of 135mm lens coming in 2017, we just don’t know an awful lot about it at this time. This one may evolve some and I think it’s likely a Q4 announcement.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Cinema EOS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Canon Cinema EOS CXXX Camera</strong>


<em>A new Cinema EOS camera below the EOS C300 Mark II is coming in 2017. It will not be called the C100 Mark III. This won’t be ready for NAB next month, so we expect a Q3 or Q4 announcement.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon Cinema lenses


</strong><em>We expect to see at least one prime cinema lens announced for NAB next month. There may also be an anamorphic lens announced some time in 2017.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>What’s not coming?</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Canon EF 600mm f/4 DO IS</strong>


<em>We were told it was possible this lens would come in late 2017, but we can confirm that it’s not. Perhaps we’ll see it at Photokina in 2018?</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EOS-1D C Mark II</strong>


<em>It’s not coming this year, and we don’t think it ever will.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EOS 5DS & Canon EOS 5DS R</strong>


<em>There will be no new high megapixel camera in 2017.</em></li>
</ul>
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[douglaurent]

If you think Canon products are already perfect, or don't know or need all the great camera features that are out there now

Which specific features? Which one camera has all of them?

Don't like to repeat long lists over again, but everybody knows how an EVF, sensor stabilization, focus peaking etc can make life easier. Competitors don't have everything in ONE camera yet (maybe until Sony releases the A7RII/A99II fusion), but you also don't need to buy and carry FIVE different Canon cameras and external devices to enjoy all the best features.

 

[Orangutan]

If you think Canon products are already perfect, or don't know or need all the great camera features that are out there now

Which specific features? Which one camera has all of them?

EVF

EVF is not quite ready -- refresh is almost there, but CDAF is not fast enough for action. EVF's also drain batteries. It's getting close, though.

sensor stabilization

Doesn't work for long focal lengths.

focus peaking

I'll agree with you here.

Competitors don't have everything in ONE camera yet

Which is why buyers and manufacturers make choices about what's important in a single body.

but you also don't need to buy and carry FIVE different Canon cameras and external devices to enjoy all the best features.

One of those "best features" is the Canon lens lineup.

 

[scottgoh]

really hope to see a 6d2 soon

 

[LonelyBoy]

Don't like to repeat long lists over again, but everybody knows how an EVF, sensor stabilization, focus peaking etc can make life easier. Competitors don't have everything in ONE camera yet (maybe until Sony releases the A7RII/A99II fusion), but you also don't need to buy and carry FIVE different Canon cameras and external devices to enjoy all the best features.

Which FIVE different Canon cameras and external devices are needed? Please be specific.

 

[Mikehit]

If you think Canon products are already perfect, or don't know or need all the great camera features that are out there now

Which specific features? Which one camera has all of them?

EVF

EVF is not quite ready -- refresh is almost there, but CDAF is not fast enough for action. EVF's also drain batteries. It's getting close, though.

sensor stabilization

Doesn't work for long focal lengths.

Where did you get that from? Canon believes that in-lens stabilisation is better for long telephotos but that is far from saying 'it doesn't work' - but even then it is disputed.
Add to that, Olympus and Panasonic have successfully incorporated combined in-lens in in-body stabilisation and the claim is even more tenuous.

 

[dak723]

If you think Canon products are already perfect, or don't know or need all the great camera features that are out there now

Which specific features? Which one camera has all of them?

Don't like to repeat long lists over again, but everybody knows how an EVF, sensor stabilization, focus peaking etc can make life easier. Competitors don't have everything in ONE camera yet (maybe until Sony releases the A7RII/A99II fusion), but you also don't need to buy and carry FIVE different Canon cameras and external devices to enjoy all the best features.

Everyone knows that an EVF makes life more difficult in sunny conditions, or with any type of moving object. Everyone knows that in-lens stabilization works better then IBIS. Everyone knows that focus peaking is an unreliable gimmick. Etc. Etc. Etc.

See how easy it is to take a personal opinion and make it into a ridiculous proclamation!

What's better, innovation or reliability?
What's better, innovation or quality?

I think it is safe to say that your answer would be innovation. Why do assume that others would agree? I will choose the quality, reliable product every single time.

In the past 5 years I have bought and used the Canon 6D, SL1 & M5; Olympus E-M5, E-M1, and used E-620; Sony A7 and A7 II. I have sold some of them on Ebay, but the only 2 cameras that I returned immediately because they were far below my expectations were the two Sony models. Innovation didn't mean much when the cameras were uncomfortable to use, underexposed every shot, had poor color, and gave me poor quality photos away from the image center. I realize that many of these observations are just my opinions. But I also understand that different companies offer different alternatives.

 

[romanr74]

Everyone knows that an EVF makes life more difficult in sunny conditions, or with any type of moving object. Everyone knows that in-lens stabilization works better then IBIS. Everyone knows that focus peaking is an unreliable gimmick. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I just had to wait a few minutes at the bus stop, and to make some use of the time, I checked with random people waiting there, if the above statement is correct. The statement could not be substantiated! In some instances even explaining what EVF or IBIS means didn't help...

 

[Orangutan]

EVF is not quite ready -- refresh is almost there, but CDAF is not fast enough for action. EVF's also drain batteries. It's getting close, though.

sensor stabilization

Doesn't work for long focal lengths.

Where did you get that from? Canon believes that in-lens stabilisation is better for long telephotos but that is far from saying 'it doesn't work' - but even then it is disputed.

You can test it yourself: look through a short FL lens and try to hold it steady. How much does the image move in the VF? Well, your eye is the sensor, and IBIS would need to move the sensor that far and that fast to accommodate. Now try the same thing with long FL: both the speed and distance of movement are much greater.

If you don't believe me, just read the Wikipedia article on Image Stabilizaton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization

One thing it mentions that I forgot: IBIS requires a larger image circle to accommodate the sensor movement. That's a challenge for FF.

 

[Mikehit]

EVF is not quite ready -- refresh is almost there, but CDAF is not fast enough for action. EVF's also drain batteries. It's getting close, though.

sensor stabilization

Doesn't work for long focal lengths.

Where did you get that from? Canon believes that in-lens stabilisation is better for long telephotos but that is far from saying 'it doesn't work' - but even then it is disputed.

You can test it yourself: look through a short FL lens and try to hold it steady. How much does the image move in the VF? Well, your eye is the sensor, and IBIS would need to move the sensor that far and that fast to accommodate. Now try the same thing with long FL: both the speed and distance of movement are much greater.

If you don't believe me, just read the Wikipedia article on Image Stabilizaton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization

One thing it mentions that I forgot: IBIS requires a larger image circle to accommodate the sensor movement. That's a challenge for FF.

'Not as good' is not the same as 'does not work'.

 

[PHOTOPROROCKIES]

"Canon EOS 5DS & Canon EOS 5DS R There will be no new high megapixel camera in 2017"

Boooo to that! Was really hoping for a 5DSR with all 5D Mark IV upgrades.

(here's hoping the OP is misinformed!)

Canon has pretty much never fast tracked a new camera. The 5DS/5DSR are still new, I wouldn't expect a new version until 2019 at the earliest. But if Canon continues to be a creature of habit, I'd say a new 5DS/DSR II will come out in 2020.