*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[Loswr]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

fact is .. sony has a 12% marketshare that is heavily inflated by their dubious statistics.

Let's not forget their world renowned Sony Professional Service that all the pros rave about or their amazing reliability and extra long battery life. Do you see all those Sony cameras all over the Olympics?!?!

.... me neither.

https://blog.sony.com/press/nbc-olympics-selects-sony-to-provide-broadcast-and-production-equipment-for-its-coverage-of-the-2016-olympic-games-in-rio/

Given the subject of the discussion thread, would you care to provide a relevant link? :

Sony is providing the broadcast video cameras, fine. What lenses do you think those cameras are mounted behind? Smart money would be on Canon DIGISUPER lenses. Have a look at Sony's broadcast camera marketing brochures, you'll see lots of Canon box lenses in them (with the logos photoshopped out).

 

[Loswr]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

And what does CPS with a room full of cameras and lenses do for me?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the world isn't all about you.......

That's why dilbert doesn't live in the world, he lives in dilbertland.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

fact is .. sony has a 12% marketshare that is heavily inflated by their dubious statistics.

Let's not forget their world renowned Sony Professional Service that all the pros rave about or their amazing reliability and extra long battery life. Do you see all those Sony cameras all over the Olympics?!?!

.... me neither.

https://blog.sony.com/press/nbc-olympics-selects-sony-to-provide-broadcast-and-production-equipment-for-its-coverage-of-the-2016-olympic-games-in-rio/

That is video, not stills.

Who talks about stills?

we're talking a stills camera??!

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

fact is .. sony has a 12% marketshare that is heavily inflated by their dubious statistics.

Let's not forget their world renowned Sony Professional Service that all the pros rave about or their amazing reliability and extra long battery life. Do you see all those Sony cameras all over the Olympics?!?!

.... me neither.

https://blog.sony.com/press/nbc-olympics-selects-sony-to-provide-broadcast-and-production-equipment-for-its-coverage-of-the-2016-olympic-games-in-rio/

Given the subject of the discussion thread, would you care to provide a relevant link? :

Sony is providing the broadcast video cameras, fine. What lenses do you think those cameras are mounted behind? Smart money would be on Canon DIGISUPER lenses. Have a look at Sony's broadcast camera marketing brochures, you'll see lots of Canon box lenses in them (with the logos photoshopped out).

the lenses cost more than the camera.. who wins?

 

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony is providing the broadcast video cameras, fine. What lenses do you think those cameras are mounted behind? Smart money would be on Canon DIGISUPER lenses. Have a look at Sony's broadcast camera marketing brochures, you'll see lots of Canon box lenses in them (with the logos photoshopped out).

Precisely. I didn't even think Sony made any broadcast lenses. We know they barely make any for their MILCs...

 

[Lenscracker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

Looks like this will be the first time I refuse to buy an updated 5D camera. Canon seems to have added a lot of things I don't care about and very, very few of the things I do care about. That opinion assumes these rumors are true. Nevertheless, I am happy for all you people out there who buy 5D series cameras in order to shoot video.

 

[John2016]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony is providing the broadcast video cameras, fine. What lenses do you think those cameras are mounted behind? Smart money would be on Canon DIGISUPER lenses. Have a look at Sony's broadcast camera marketing brochures, you'll see lots of Canon box lenses in them (with the logos photoshopped out).

Precisely. I didn't even think Sony made any broadcast lenses. We know they barely make any for their MILCs...

Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

 

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

They shouldn't.

 

[tron]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications

Looks like this will be the first time I refuse to buy an updated 5D camera. Canon seems to have added a lot of things I don't care about and very, very few of the things I do care about. That opinion assumes these rumors are true. Nevertheless, I am happy for all you people out there who buy 5D series cameras in order to shoot video.

I do not shoot video. However if it improves IQ (like DR in low ISO and 0.5 stop in high ISO) then I get a better camera. That and a better AF system and EC in Auto ISO manual mode (just like 1Dx, 7D2, 5Ds).

 

[Wesley]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Was hoping MP would still stay in the 20s ;D
Would be nice to put in the auto AF adjustment like Nikon

Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

I've always read Canon had too much red tones though ???

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

...
we're talking a stills camera??!

So the 5D4 can't record video?

it's still primarily a stills camera that can record video versus a video camera that can take stills.

 

[3kramd5]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

There's this thing called color calibration.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

FWIW I used to routinely use a rule of thumb for determining actual exposure time. Now that cameras have light meters, sunny 16 is less relevant.

I sure hope we get some real information soon. Otherwise, this thread may set the standard for worst Canon Rumors thread ever. And, that's no small feat.

No, but these are!

Imagine how people who are quibbling over losing a tiny bit of extra resolution to nearly imperceptible camera shake or 'bad glass' would react to the suggestion you shoot at f/16!

 

[K]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.

Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step. That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

 

[3kramd5]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.

Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step. That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

I'd go with glass as the number one reason.

With 16-bit color depth, Sony probably produces the best (albeit at a significant price premium) hardware in the industry when it comes to color rendition.

 

[nightscape123]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Is the 5D IV still expected to ship with the new 16-35 III? I haven't heard anything about that in a while. Will we start seeing info on the new lenses soon as well?

 

[instaimage]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Canon has the opportunity to make a "remarkable" camera and they crap this turd... WTF Canon?

Flame me all you want, I own 3 1DX2's and a 5DSR, was wanting a smaller body 5D-ish body that was more "friendly" and closer to the 1DX2 (I'd even take a 1DX is a smaller body...) in resolution than the monster 5DSR (very "use" specific body for me...) and wanted a more "general" camera... and THIS is what they're giving us?

HUGELY disappointing Canon... I'm really hoping CR is wrong on a few specs but I'm guessing that won't come out to be true...

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

i dont want to get in the debate if MP=noise or not.
you seem to agree with me, but for some reason you mention a "semantic" way that this statament is true (if you crop the 50mp image to 20mp, it will have more noise)

which is pointless, since your are comparing then on different basis the same camera

It is less about 'comparing them on a different basis' as how you use the camera.
Photographing small animals the chances are a vast majority of your images will be cropped whether you are using full frame or APS-C. In that situation, per-pixel noise is important.
If you are a landscape photographer the chances are that cropping will be less important and the summation of more, but smaller, pixels will cancel out the quality of the large pixel.

+1 - not pointless at all, to any bird/wildlife shooter.

For example, if you have a 5DIII and a 400mm lens, and you need to get more pixels on your subject (the tiny bird in the middle of the frame), should you get a 5DsR or a 600/4 + 1.4xIII? Getting the 5DsR and cropping will mean more noise than getting the 600+1.4x and using your 5DIII, and also better overall IQ...but it's also a lot more expensive. Smaller pixels don't mean a free lunch.

OTOH, if you're filling the frame with your subject, there are advantages to smaller pixels with no meaningful disadvantage.

You've basically summed up what I was gonna say. It's a compromise, but everything is. For people shooting e.g. birds, higher res means more cropping ability, and that can trump any concomittant downsides such as increased pixel-level noise. But if we use that higher res sensor to shoot normal subjects (minimal cropping) and output to a smaller resolution, there's no practical disadvantage to final image quality compared to a lower res sensor.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.

Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step. That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

I'd go with glass as the number one reason.

With 16-bit color depth, Sony probably produces the best (albeit at a significant price premium) hardware in the industry when it comes to color rendition.

on what does sony have 16 bit color depth?

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Canon has the opportunity to make a "remarkable" camera and they crap this turd... WTF Canon?

Flame me all you want, I own 3 1DX2's and a 5DSR, was wanting a smaller body 5D-ish body that was more "friendly" and closer to the 1DX2 (I'd even take a 1DX is a smaller body...) in resolution than the monster 5DSR (very "use" specific body for me...) and wanted a more "general" camera... and THIS is what they're giving us?

HUGELY disappointing Canon... I'm really hoping CR is wrong on a few specs but I'm guessing that won't come out to be true...

that's kind of weird .. what is being described is a more general camera.