*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

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rrcphoto said:
instaimage said:
Canon has the opportunity to make a "remarkable" camera and they crap this turd... WTF Canon?

Flame me all you want, I own 3 1DX2's and a 5DSR, was wanting a smaller body 5D-ish body that was more "friendly" and closer to the 1DX2 (I'd even take a 1DX is a smaller body...) in resolution than the monster 5DSR (very "use" specific body for me...) and wanted a more "general" camera... and THIS is what they're giving us?

HUGELY disappointing Canon... I'm really hoping CR is wrong on a few specs but I'm guessing that won't come out to be true...

that's kind of weird .. what is being described is a more general camera.

No no, you see, a more general camera the way the 1DX2 is a general camera ::)
 
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Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

30MP is a great do-all compromise size. Ton of detail, not as punishing on data/post processing as 5DS.

I'm in for 5D4 only if it has at least as much DR as the 1DX2. I hope it might edge it out on the low-ISO DR. Certainly won't be better on ISO performance, not expecting that.

7FPS is very welcome. I always predicted that 8 would be just too good and put the camera in a different realm. 7 is fast. 7 is a nice speed.

Could care less about video.

No CFast is good too.
 
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Gosh, I've not been around CR much recently, I'm surprised how rare this is now. I've read through like twenty pages and this is the first 'most of the photographers I know* have switched to Sony' bullpoop from a new forum user.

*from a ridiculously tiny sample size, likely fictional.

John2016 said:
Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications: (2016)

30.4mp CHECK
7fps HM
Compact Flash/SD Card Slots (No CFast) LOL
Built-in Wifi OK
24/30fps @ 4K This is a Joke for a new camera what is in 3 years in development
60fps @ 1080 LOL - MIN 120
120fps @ 720 WHO CARES ABOUT 720? First TV stations in Japan broadcasting 8k
4:2:2 4:4:4
8bit 500mbps MJPEG LOL

From my 20 colleagues 16 went to Sony. Canon had a huge chance to innovate the market but this is a DEAD HORSE. I invested over 20k in Canon glass and I own Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
Without the correct LUT and 4:4:4 output this is just a nice Z camera. We all been waiting for Canon to give us some innovation but in 2016 a touch screen and WIFI is simple not enough...
Fact is Sony is taking over and Canon with this strange marketing strategy is not going anywhere.
Protecting the C line is a very bad mistake...
 
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scyrene said:
Gosh, I've not been around CR much recently, I'm surprised how rare this is now. I've read through like twenty pages and this is the first 'most of the photographers I know* have switched to Sony' bullpoop from a new forum user.

*from a ridiculously tiny sample size, likely fictional.

John2016 said:
Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications: (2016)

30.4mp CHECK
7fps HM
Compact Flash/SD Card Slots (No CFast) LOL
Built-in Wifi OK
24/30fps @ 4K This is a Joke for a new camera what is in 3 years in development
60fps @ 1080 LOL - MIN 120
120fps @ 720 WHO CARES ABOUT 720? First TV stations in Japan broadcasting 8k
4:2:2 4:4:4
8bit 500mbps MJPEG LOL

From my 20 colleagues 16 went to Sony. Canon had a huge chance to innovate the market but this is a DEAD HORSE. I invested over 20k in Canon glass and I own Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
Without the correct LUT and 4:4:4 output this is just a nice Z camera. We all been waiting for Canon to give us some innovation but in 2016 a touch screen and WIFI is simple not enough...
Fact is Sony is taking over and Canon with this strange marketing strategy is not going anywhere.
Protecting the C line is a very bad mistake...

clearly Sony with it's 12% marketshare completely DOMINATES canon and it's 45% markethshare.

#itsthenewmath
 
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Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

K said:
3kramd5 said:
Dave Del Real said:
justsomedude said:
Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.


Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step.
That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

Lmao...ridiculous reason.

How do you know your monitor is even showing what the camera color is showing?
Do wedding/portrait photographers not print their work? Need color calibration check to printer or printing house.

You're going to have to do that step somewhere.
 
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K said:
3kramd5 said:
Dave Del Real said:
justsomedude said:
Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.


Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step. That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

No it isn't. I assign a profile to every image I import, on import, automatically, same as lens corrections and CA removal.
 
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privatebydesign said:
K said:
3kramd5 said:
Dave Del Real said:
justsomedude said:
Sony still seems to have "prettier" noise...

And uglier skin tones and color science.

??

There's this thing called color calibration.


Sure, but that's yet another post-processing step. That has to be the #1 reason for Canon's popularity among wedding and portrait pros, the accurate and better skin tones and color. That makes a difference. Noise is invisible and meaningless on deliverables (prints, media).

No it isn't. I assign a profile to every image I import, on import, automatically, same as lens corrections and CA removal.

And even if it were somehow ponderous, it's difficult to accept that someone who assigns a great deal of importance to color accuracy would simply live with images rendered in camera.
 
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John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice. Kinda like how Sony was smart to focus on MILCs, because even though it's a much smaller market, they couldn't successfully compete with CaNikon in the larger dSLR market. Of course, even though Canon is barely trying in the MILC space, as your links show they're in the #3 spot for MILC sales in Japan, just behind Sony who's fallen to #2 in the market segment on which they've chosen to concentrate.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy? ;)
 
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rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy? ;)

Probably depends on the markup.

Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.
 
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3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy? ;)

Probably depends on the markup.

Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

haven't seen a cini lens that is 18.6 ~ 1600mm equivalent yet ;)
 
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3kramd5 said:
Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

This post has a link to a nice clip about broadcasting from Fenway Park. Cool moon shot at the end!

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12260.msg218060#msg218060
 
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rrcphoto said:
3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy? ;)

Probably depends on the markup.

Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

haven't seen a cini lens that is 18.6 ~ 1600mm equivalent yet ;)

Wow! I presume not at a constant aperture?
 
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neuroanatomist said:
3kramd5 said:
Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

This post has a link to a nice clip about broadcasting from Fenway Park. Cool moon shot at the end!

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12260.msg218060#msg218060

Ah, the infamous post! I'll check the video. Thanks.
 
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3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
With 16-bit color depth, Sony probably produces the best (albeit at a significant price premium) hardware in the industry when it comes to color rendition.

on what does sony have 16 bit color depth?

Their 101MP MF sensor.

I guess your P1 XF requires much less, if any, skintone correction than Sony.
 
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3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
John2016 said:
Why Sony should build broadcast lenses?

Why should Canon build broadcast cameras?

Considering that the ratio of lenses to cameras is ≥1, it would seem Canon made the smarter choice.

the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.

Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000

who's more happy? ;)

Probably depends on the markup.

Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.

haven't seen a cini lens that is 18.6 ~ 1600mm equivalent yet ;)

Wow! I presume not at a constant aperture?

f 1.7-4.0

however to be fair that's 18.6 to 800mm .. it has a built in 2x extender.
 
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deorum said:
OK, i've seen the new updated rumor, and correct me if i am wrong because i admit i have a lot of things to learn in video.

Since the bitrate is the same as 1dx2 in most settings (500mbps), do i think that the limitation to not shot 120fps @ 1080p, is not a hardware issue?
I know 1dx2 can reach as high as 800mbps with a CFAST for 60fps/4K, but unless my math is wrong, 500mbps should be enough, and of enough quality, for 120fps 1080p (1/4th of the 30fps/4K).

It's limited by sensor readout speed.
 
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Perio said:
3kramd5 said:
rrcphoto said:
With 16-bit color depth, Sony probably produces the best (albeit at a significant price premium) hardware in the industry when it comes to color rendition.

on what does sony have 16 bit color depth?

Their 101MP MF sensor.

I guess your P1 XF requires much less, if any, skintone correction than Sony.

Which is why the XF literature states "Professional Color Management and Digital Photography are as essential as the hardware when it comes to perfect results."
 
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rbielefeld said:
How many fps at 30mp? That is the question I have now. Glad to see 30mp. This will be a good small, perched bird camera for me. I have the 1DxII for my fast action birds in flight. The 5DIV at 30mp will do the small bird job.
Hmmm, now there will be three bird cameras. You could use 5DIV for the big - not small - birds and 5DsR for the small ones. Choices, choices :)
 
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