The Canon EOS R3 will be 24mp, confirmed by EXIF data

[Michael Clark]

So yeah, I get that 30 FPS almost always means less mp, even though it doesn't have to as a rule....and to be honest, 18mp is enough, and so is 24. AND if I had to I would use the 14mp 5D Classic, but still.....still....

I would rather it be 25 FPS and 30mp, not 30 FPS and 24mp. Save the 24/30FPS for the R1.

24mp for what is definitely going to be a $4899 to $5899 camera? Just to get 30 frames per second? With a BSI sensor, I expected much better. I am not crushed, or angry, but I am bummed about the preorder I had planned. Welp, maybe they will finally eventually release a R5Sr 100mp monster (that does 5 FPS and has 800 usable ISO tops, but hey, 100mp and no low-pass.) Come on 2022.

It's looking more and more like the R1 is going to be the high megapixel pro body (ala the 1Ds series) and the R3 is the faster but lower resolution sports body (ala the 1D series). If that's the case, then the sports body needs fps more than resolution, while the studio/fashion/landscape body needs max resolution more than high fps.

 

[Michael Clark]

I am not going to actuate the R5 continuously to see how many I can get!

Aww, come on, man! It's for science!

 

[Michael Clark]

I know several people, myself included, who decided not to upgrade to the 1DX3 because it didn't offer a resolution bump.

So there's a selection bias in that statement. Customers might have been happy with 20MP but other potential customers were lost.

The vast majority of those yelling for 40+ MP were also yelling for IBIS in a mirrorless body.

They only had to wait four months after the 1D X Mark III was released in March, 2020 until the R5 (45 MP, perhaps the best implementation of IBIS by anyone to date) was released in July, 2020.

 

[stevelee]

Auto WB tends to operate under the assumption that the average color in a scene is neutral in the same way that light meters operate under the assumption that the average brightness in a scene is halfway between black and white. If the red seats were dominating the scene, then the camera is probably trying to make them closer to neutral, thus boosting green while reducing red.

Yes, that is what I figured (and why I mentioned it). I am not that skilled in color grading in FCP X. I probably would do better with Premiere, since color controls may be more like what I am used to in Photoshop. But otherwise I am much more practiced in using FCP X, and therefore tend to use it. Between the lights, the sea of red seats, and an audience more interested in quick than good, I probably shouldn’t have worried about it as much as I did.

For stills, I almost always shoot Raw, so I am spoiled by the after-the-fact color control I have with ACR. I did one half-hearted attempt at a custom color balance from shooting a white sheet of paper under the lights. Results didn’t seem any better than what I got from auto. Maybe a gray card would work better.

I don’t shoot video enough to get a system with more bit depth. And while I dealt with that lighting situation for 8 summers, those lights are gone, I think, unless they are still up there and they use them for practice and pick-up games and save the TV lights. Maybe I will see next summer. Maybe next summer my new toy to try out will be a Fujifilm medium format that has more video options. My current temptation is to buy the new model with the money I haven’t spent on foreign travel last year and this one.

 

[FrenchFry]

The vast majority of those yelling for 40+ MP were also yelling for IBIS in a mirrorless body.

They only had to wait four months after the 1D X Mark III was released in March, 2000 until the R5 (45 MP, perhaps the best implementation of IBIS by anyone to date) was released in July, 2000.

Wow! I knew that Covid was messing with my sense of time but... Has it really been 21 years since the R5 came out? Feels like just yesterday...

I think a lot of people ready to give mirrorless a shot were really pleased with the release of the R5. Possibly some people who had just purchased the 1DXiii were a little less enthusiastic.

I know Canon doesn't do this but it would be so nice if they shared more information about upcoming gear with customers so we can plan ahead and get the gear that is the best fit for our individual styles.

 

[koenkooi]

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For stills, I almost always shoot Raw, so I am spoiled by the after-the-fact color control I have with ACR. I did one half-hearted attempt at a custom color balance from shooting a white sheet of paper under the lights. Results didn’t seem any better than what I got from auto. Maybe a gray card would work better.
[..]

If you have a ColourChecker type of chart, you could film a short bit with that in frame. I haven't tried that myself, though

 

[st jack photography]

It's looking more and more like the R1 is going to be the high megapixel pro body (ala the 1Ds series) and the R3 is the faster but lower resolution sports body (ala the 1D series). If that's the case, then the sports body needs fps more than resolution, while the studio/fashion/landscape body needs max resolution more than high fps.

Your reply is what I was not seeing all along, that Canon would move the 1D "sports" concept to R3 and then make an R1 that is the equivalent of a 5DSr merged with a mirrorless 1D concept. I can say I loved my 5DSr IN THE STUDIO, but I hated it on the street, so maybe this time around it have better ISO. I am not sure I would buy a megapixel monster again as my sole camera, but it makes sense for Canon to do what you describe. The 5DSr should have been in a bigger body, not shoe-horned into a 5D body (IMO). So I like your reasoning. I bought an r5 a few months back after waiting (what felt like forever) on the supposed mirrorless 5DSr. I may go with the r3 instead of a high megapixel camera, but I wish Canon would share more info, so I could plan better. Money is tight for me.

 

[unfocused]

You can use cash to purchase single use debit/gift cards, spend them via paypal, and no one knows who bought the item. It's the cash equivalent of a burner phone.

The question wasn't "How can I cheat on my taxes?"

The question was "How do you document your online purchases so you can prove you paid sales taxes on them?"

If people want to go to that extent to launder their purchases, they are probably doing a lot of other illegal things as well. Of course, it might raise some eyebrows if you waltzed into the the local Walgreens with $5,000 in cash and started buying debit cards.

 

[stevelee]

Doesn’t the seller give you a receipt in email or something that itemizes tax and shipping charges?

 

[unfocused]

Doesn’t the seller give you a receipt in email or something that itemizes tax and shipping charges?

Of course.

But, the original discussion involved demonstrating that you did not make any purchases where sales taxes were not collected.

Receipts would show that sales taxes were collected on an individual purchase, but they don't provide a comprehensive record of all your online purchases for the year.

"If," and granted it is a big "if," but "if" you were unlucky and got pulled for a random audit by your state and you needed to show that you had not made any purchases where sales taxes were not collected, your state can look at your credit card and debit card records which list every purchase you make on the cards for the year and it would be easy to show that every one of the vendors you purchased from collected sales taxes. A few years back this was a bigger issue than today. These days, virtually all U.S. based online sellers collect sales taxes (even eBay collects taxes). The main exception that I am aware of for photo equipment is if people buy from vendors who are based outside the U.S.

Now sure, if you were a crook and you laundered purchases as @Michael Clark suggested, you might get away with avoiding sales taxes. But, the point was never to show how to be a tax cheat. My point was proving you were honest, not showing how to be a crook.

 

[stevelee]

You could provide your credit card statements and suggest they find some other purchases, I guess.

But we are talking about state governments. They are unlikely to have resources to chase down every rabbit, especially if they have no evidence.

In NC you can report just the untaxed purchases of over $1,000 each and then take a tiny set amount to cover the rest. I used to pay that formula amount, but now that everybody I deal with charges the tax, I don’t even pay that.

 

[H. Jones]

A look at the R3's shell courtesy of Canon USA on Instagram:

 

[emailfortom]

Dang... I would love to put that on a tee shirt!

 

[tapanit]

A look at the R3's shell courtesy of Canon USA on Instagram:

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That's cool. Unfortunately I can't count the pixels in R3's sensor from that image. Especially since the sensor isn't in the picture.

 

[SteveC]

That's cool. Unfortunately I can't count the pixels in R3's sensor from that image. Especially since the sensor isn't in the picture.

That reminds me of how my dad used to sarcastically rave about how awesome the TVs in the ads looked--displayed on the TV they were supposedly better than.

 

[Michael Clark]

The question wasn't "How can I cheat on my taxes?"

The question was "How do you document your online purchases so you can prove you paid sales taxes on them?"

If people want to go to that extent to launder their purchases, they are probably doing a lot of other illegal things as well. Of course, it might raise some eyebrows if you waltzed into the the local Walgreens with $5,000 in cash and started buying debit cards.

My apologies, I thought you were more addressing "How do the feds and state tax collectors know I bought this online and didn't pay sales tax?"

 

[Michael Clark]

Wow! I knew that Covid was messing with my sense of time but... Has it really been 21 years since the R5 came out? Feels like just yesterday...

I think a lot of people ready to give mirrorless a shot were really pleased with the release of the R5. Possibly some people who had just purchased the 1DXiii were a little less enthusiastic.

I know Canon doesn't do this but it would be so nice if they shared more information about upcoming gear with customers so we can plan ahead and get the gear that is the best fit for our individual styles.

Thanks for catching that. I've since edited it.

 

[unfocused]

My apologies, I thought you were more addressing "How do the feds and state tax collectors know I bought this online and didn't pay sales tax?"

My apologies if I was too harsh. Sometimes we get involved in internet debates and it's too easy to come off as harsh.

No, I was just responding to someone who seemed to think it would be burdensome to demonstrate that you had paid taxes. Of course, this is all pretty much moot these days since almost all online sellers are collecting sales taxes anyway.

 

[Michael Clark]

Without any inside information on Canon's logistics, I tend to believe it's already too late to make even firmware changes, if they're going to announce it in September and have it actually available soon after that. An updated firmware could be published and made downloadable at the same time, but by now there must already be cameras in boxes waiting to be shipped and their firmware obviously cannot be changed any more.

I also agree that the camera in the hands of testers now must have essentially final firmware. I can just barely imagine Canon doing a custom tester firmware with no other changes than fake exif data for the resolution, but even that is really stretching it.

So I guess the resolution is indeed 6000x4000 pixels. Which presumably means 4K video will be cropped, 1.04x with oversampling from 5760 pixel width (6K) or 1.56x raw.

I must, however, admit a small voice in my head telling me that those exif reports are apparently only based on a chrome plugin, which may not be reliable...

Unless it has recently changed, Canon doesn't ship anything from Japan in retail boxes. That's done at the regional level where locally sourced boxes, printed materials, etc. are combined with other products coming from other sources (camera straps, batteries, chargers, etc., which, even if made in Japan, are from different plants and shipped to the regionals separately). They're shipped in bulk packaging from the camera or lens factories to the regionals throughout the world.

In the past, firmware has been known to have been updated by staff at the regionals prior to placing camera bodies in retail packaging.

 

[Michael Clark]

The resolution doesn't change if you're shooting JPEGs. Source: I've shot JPEGs all my life. The R5's JPEGs still show up as 45 MP, and the R6's still show up as 20 MP.

Surely you don't think every 45MP image is also a 45 MB JPEG file? Or that every 20 MP image is also a 20 MB JPEG file?