*UPDATED* Here's an Updated 2017 Canon Roadmap
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The list contains only products that Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, Sigma and Tamron already have in their program - plus ONE main innovation, which in most cases is stabilization. One innovation is something you can expect from a new product, after the old one has been on the market since 1-20 years, right???
Regarding the main point "stabilization" I invite you to use one of the latest, body-stabilized Micro Four Third cameras and lenses. It's possible to shoot stable, handheld 800mm full frame equivalent photos and 920mm videos for less than 2000 euros. An 8500 euro 1DX2+24-70/2.8 Canon combination sucks in comparison. Of course people who only use existing Canon products will never know what the rest of the world is talking about.
neuroanatomist said:douglaurent said:
Lol. First, no one but you cares about 'your personal wishlist'. Second, you have six f/1.4 or faster lenses with IS that ' wouldn't be unrealistic looking at the competition' so please list all the competitor lenses that are f/1.2 or f/1.4 with VC/IS. Third, you've got cameras on there that are ridiculuosly silly.
Granted, there are a few products on your list that make sense...but hey, if you throw enough crap at the wall, some will stick. :
The list contains only products that Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, Sigma and Tamron already have in their program - plus ONE main innovation, which in most cases is stabilization. One innovation is something you can expect from a new product, after the old one has been on the market since 1-20 years, right???
Regarding the main point "stabilization" I invite you to use one of the latest, body-stabilized Micro Four Third cameras and lenses. It's possible to shoot stable, handheld 800mm full frame equivalent photos and 920mm videos for less than 2000 euros. An 8500 euro 1DX2+24-70/2.8 Canon combination sucks in comparison. Of course people who only use existing Canon products will never know what the rest of the world is talking about.
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So in other words you admit not even MFTs make image stabilised f1.8 lenses because the 'IS' is in the body.
D'uh!
You then compare the MFT to a 1Dx2 (what a ridiculous attempt at trolling) with an unstabilised lens. Try the 6D with 24-105 f4 IS at about 2,000 Euros.
douglaurent said:
So in other words you admit not even MFTs make image stabilised f1.8 lenses because the 'IS' is in the body.
D'uh!
You then compare the MFT to a 1Dx2 (what a ridiculous attempt at trolling) with an unstabilised lens. Try the 6D with 24-105 f4 IS at about 2,000 Euros.
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Your list is dreamy, Doug, I'll give you that. : But I will back you up on one thing: IS is great and can do some amazing things.
There are folks now raving about the new Olympus's IS and being able to pull off sharp 15 second handheld exposures (not a typo). That's a radioactively misleading claim to make (and in fairness, enthusiasts are saying this, not Olympus), but it shows that IS can help for much more than conventional wisdom telling us that it's meant for longer FL lenses and for video.
So I would love IS on everything and I commend Doug for asking for it, but we simply won't get it. Canon has staked out a portfolio that is inconsistent on this front.
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douglaurent said:
Your list is dreamy, Doug, I'll give you that. :
But I will back you up on one thing: IS is great and can do some amazing things.There are folks now raving about the new Olympus's IS and being able to pull off sharp 15 second handheld exposures (not a typo). That's a radioactively misleading claim to make (and in fairness, enthusiasts are saying this, not Olympus), but it shows that IS can help for much more than conventional wisdom telling us that it's meant for longer FL lenses and for video.
So I would love IS on everything and I commend Doug for asking for it, but we simply won't get it. Canon has staked out a portfolio that is inconsistent on this front.
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Late to the party as usual. :
ahsanford said:neuroanatomist said:
Corrected that for you. Now it's so much more reasonable of an ask!
#stupidcanon
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AvTvM said:neuroanatomist said:
wrong. EF-M 85mm/2.4 STM IS is what me and the unshaven EOS M masses want.
Late to the party as usual. :
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Panasonic even makes stabilized f1.2 lenses like the 42.5mm, but with the new MFT bodies indeed lens stabilization is not that relevant anymore. I don't understand why that's a "Canon wins" point?
Mikehit said:
Panasonic even makes stabilized f1.2 lenses like the 42.5mm, but with the new MFT bodies indeed lens stabilization is not that relevant anymore. I don't understand why that's a "Canon wins" point?
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Yes, that pretty much sums me up, the guy who owns approx 50 cameras and 250 lenses including all new Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic etc stuff. Someone who owns and uses that clearly will have far less knowledge than a Canon user who only knows and uses 1 body and 3 lenses. That is pretty logical.
neuroanatomist said:
Yes, that pretty much sums me up, the guy who owns approx 50 cameras and 250 lenses including all new Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic etc stuff. Someone who owns and uses that clearly will have far less knowledge than a Canon user who only knows and uses 1 body and 3 lenses. That is pretty logical.
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You can't sling around an m43 company building absurd one-off lenses to try to get small DOF from those tiny sensors as a legitimate roadmap for CaNikon to follow.
The lens you reference is more like an 85mm f/2.4 lens in our terms. (Yes, the light gathering is f/1.2 but the DOF is not.) But we can already enjoy an 85mm f/1.8 for a quarter of the price. That's a "Canon wins" in my book.
But please continue running with that argument if you want. Get geeked out about your iPhone 7S f/1.8 + IBIS setup. And then I can stop down my 28mm IS prime to f/11 or so and get the same result.
I am not knocking smaller sensors so much as making a point. Just because a smaller sensor manufacturer offers something doesn't mean FF folks should expect the same spec'd product as a reasonable ask.
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douglaurent said:
You can't sling around an m43 company building absurd one-off lenses to try to get small DOF from those tiny sensors as a legitimate roadmap for CaNikon to follow.
The lens you reference is more like an 85mm f/2.4 lens in our terms. (Yes, the light gathering is f/1.2 but the DOF is not.) But we can already enjoy an 85mm f/1.8 for a quarter of the price. That's a "Canon wins" in my book.
But please continue running with that argument if you want. Get geeked out about your iPhone 7S f/1.8 + IBIS setup. And then I can stop down my 28mm IS prime to f/11 or so and get the same result.
I am not knocking smaller sensors so much as making a point. Just because a smaller sensor manufacturer offers something doesn't mean FF folks should expect the same spec'd product as a reasonable ask.
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Oh, is that what matters most? You're saying you actually use 50 cameras and 250 lenses personally? Earlier you said you rented them out. Oh, well, it's pretty logical to spin facts...or even make stuff up...to support your opinion.
FYI, Roger Cicala is a guy who owns way more cameras and lenses than you, and he bought a Canon dSLR system for his personal use. That is pretty logical, too.
douglaurent said:
Oh, is that what matters most? You're saying you actually use 50 cameras and 250 lenses personally? Earlier you said you rented them out. Oh, well, it's pretty logical to spin facts...or even make stuff up...to support your opinion.
FYI, Roger Cicala is a guy who owns way more cameras and lenses than you, and he bought a Canon dSLR system for his personal use. That is pretty logical, too.
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I mean they included a new setting which disables the power off due to heat and allows the camera to continue up to maximum time.
They say they guarantee a second round but not a 3rd. So sony has indeed more potential. It can possible be a toaster or ... even make coffee something that is always an indication of maximum (doing everything) possible functionality ;D
http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/10/14/sony-fix-overheating-issue-with-new-setting-on-the-a6500/
Actually they solved overheat with ... overheat ;Dpokerz said:
I mean they included a new setting which disables the power off due to heat and allows the camera to continue up to maximum time.
They say they guarantee a second round but not a 3rd. So sony has indeed more potential. It can possible be a toaster or ... even make coffee something that is always an indication of maximum (doing everything) possible functionality ;D
http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/10/14/sony-fix-overheating-issue-with-new-setting-on-the-a6500/
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Except it's not the same. especially in conditions people really shoot with those telephotos - such as poor light and subject isolation is entirely different with what an f/8 or f/11 equivalent telephoto?
douglaurent said:
Except it's not the same. especially in conditions people really shoot with those telephotos - such as poor light and subject isolation is entirely different with what an f/8 or f/11 equivalent telephoto?
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f4 on MFT is like f4 on full frame in terms of transmission and brightness.
And what does that have to do with the effect of image stabilization?
Logically a much smaller camera should be much shakier in itself, and a smaller body should have less space for effective in body stabilization.
rrcphoto said:
f4 on MFT is like f4 on full frame in terms of transmission and brightness.
And what does that have to do with the effect of image stabilization?
Logically a much smaller camera should be much shakier in itself, and a smaller body should have less space for effective in body stabilization.
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You know this site is about the future of Canon equipment and not Breitbart, right? Seems you have hit the wrong bookmark.
rrcphoto said:
You know this site is about the future of Canon equipment and not Breitbart, right? Seems you have hit the wrong bookmark.
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read much? know much?
seems you need to shoot with some of those 300 pieces of camera gear.
pros will use the 1DX and the D5's because of the ability to shoot in poor light with increased subject isolation, something your example simply cannot do. Not to mention the 1DX,etc has far better and more advanced AF systems that work much better with major defocus to handle that subject isolation.
douglaurent said:
read much? know much?
seems you need to shoot with some of those 300 pieces of camera gear.
pros will use the 1DX and the D5's because of the ability to shoot in poor light with increased subject isolation, something your example simply cannot do. Not to mention the 1DX,etc has far better and more advanced AF systems that work much better with major defocus to handle that subject isolation.
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you know that idiotic comments will be treated as such as well? Good grief.
if mirrorless was so popular it wouldn't languishing with an increased 5% marketshare penetration over 5+ years with additional companies providing mirrorless in that timespan.
and m43's? really?
Olympus can't even sell 500,000 cameras per year.
and sounds like half of them were sold to you.
douglaurent said:
you know that idiotic comments will be treated as such as well? Good grief.
if mirrorless was so popular it wouldn't languishing with an increased 5% marketshare penetration over 5+ years with additional companies providing mirrorless in that timespan.
and m43's? really?
Olympus can't even sell 500,000 cameras per year.
and sounds like half of them were sold to you.
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