What’s next from Canon?

[Aussie shooter]

I don't understand why the 7d2 is not considered 'professional' . So what if it has a crop sensor. Everything else about it is absolutely top shelf and it is a camera regularly used by professional photographers. Makes no sense really

 

[Antono Refa]

At same magnification it will require no more stabilization than anything else, at greater magnification, well, obviously it will but that is what upping your game is all about. As for DLA figures, again, at same sized output they are meaningless, what difference does it make if you resolve the diffraction blur or not? None, diffraction is the same whatever sized pixel you use.

What's the point of having higher resolution, if not to have greater magnification?

 

[edoorn]

if we're talking about the 'pro' body, I assume many mean the 1D-equivalent. However a 5D IV and 5Ds can be considered pro as well of course, and are considered that way by Canon too. I would expect a high res R body to be more in line with that. Better built and weather resistant than the R, improved ergo and dual slots would qualify it as pro as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AaronT]

At rumored 80Mb+ sensor resolution, this body will require a helluvalot of image stabilisation and is DLA-ed already at F6.3.
not sure 7-8FPS speed is a requirement for a tripod mounted camera and nor is a high ISO capabilities.

I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to take a sharp photo with their Canon 90D? Wait a second, of course they have! And some of those sharp photos were probably taken without a tripod!! The 90D is the same pixel density as an 83 MP full frame. I have a 5DsR and have taken tens of thousands sharp photos hand held. I could use a few more pixels on occasion.

 

[AaronT]

Because managing 100mb large files for
Screen output and or printing 8” x 12” is
Such a joy. 5dsr was a specialist camera at 50Mb. The new rumoured rig at 80Mb is clearly overkill for run and gun situations.

Here we go again. If the max you print is 12"x18" then the new 80+ MP camera is not for you, so don't buy it. I have a 24" printer, it is for me. I don't print all the photos I take at 24x36 or larger but if I do decide to print a photo I know I have a file capable of it. When I moved from a 5D MK II to a 5DsR I became a bit more ruthless in culling my photos. I use to keep a lot of photos I was never going to use, plus large hard drives are not that expensive anymore. My first 1 Gig HD cost me $350, now you can get a 4 Terabyte HD for $110. That's 4,000 times the capacity for less than 1/3 the price. A 64 GB CF card gives me 700+ shots, 2 will cover a wedding with a 128 SD card in the backup slot.

 

[SecureGSM]

Here we go again. If the max you print is 12"x18" then the new 80+ MP camera is not for you, so don't buy it. I have a 24" printer, it is for me. I don't print all the photos I take at 24x36 or larger but if I do decide to print a photo I know I have a file capable of it. When I moved from a 5D MK II to a 5DsR I became a bit more ruthless in culling my photos. I use to keep a lot of photos I was never going to use, plus large hard drives are not that expensive anymore. My first 1 Gig HD cost me $350, now you can get a 4 Terabyte HD for $110. That's 4,000 times the capacity for less than 1/3 the price. A 64 GB CF card gives me 700+ shots, 2 will cover a wedding with a 128 SD card in the backup slot.

I don’t recall kicking off an argument with you. I said that 80Mb is an overkill for Run and Gun gigs.
Your Canon 90D argument isn’t quite valid.
What shutter speed range are we talking about again? Exactly.

And if you need to print a file or two per annum large, then go ahead and break out that specialist camera, take that shot and print as large as you pleased.
What is that to do with run and gun situation or even printing wedding albums at 8x12?

And yes, here we go again. I suggest you read the original post and take it from there.
For your convenience I repeat:

Hi res rig is overkill for run and gun assignments if expected output is either screen or a small prints.
5DS/R is a specialist camera.

 

[Bob Howland]

Well now I'm confused. You wrote: "...Canon supposedly won't ever sell an M series lens that violates their self-imposed (meaning marketing imposed) limit on the diameter of the lens because the M series is for beginners who want convenience?"

I asked for your source and your reply is you can't cite a source, "which is my point."

What does that mean? You attributed a policy to Canon and now are you saying you just made it up?

"Observe the behavior and infer the motivation"

 

[Travel_Photographer]

Canon USA CPS lists the qualifying cameras as the:

1DX series
5D Mark II, III, IV, S and Sr
7D and 7DII
6D and 6D II
EOS R

So both APS-C and mirrorless cameras are represented.

That said, I agree that any camera used in a professional setting to earn a living can be considered pro.

 

[Drcampbellicu]

curious to see the sales numbers of the 5D series. If the numbers are high then I’m wrong and it’s not a niche camera with a strong following

This is purely a marketing perception. My 5Ds has taken over everything...including sports, wildlife, and airshows...and the only thing I find wanting is the RAW buffer depth. It's even handling astro very well. I'm not sure why Canon pitched it as a 'narrow use' camera other than to preserve the higher USA price, or why so many reviewers presented it that way. There weren't any real differences (for stills) between it and the 5D3 except of course for that gorgeous sensor, and it handles every photographic situation well. Someone might point out file size or processing times, but you can always shoot in 28mp mraw.

Those looking for a true 5D4 equivalent mirrorless for stills will likely be satisfied by the high resolution R if they just use mraw when they don't want the full 83mp. The drawback will be the price, not a use or situation limiting spec.

Now for video I don't expect the high resolution R to be top of the line. It would be nice to be wrong here, but even the Sony A7r's have lower quality video than their 24mp brothers. It's just too much data to scale down at high quality. But for stills the 5Ds/sR are not actually narrow use cameras, and I don't expect the high resolution R to be either.

 

[AaronT]

I don’t recall kicking off an argument with you. I said that 80Mb is an overkill for Run and Gun gigs.
Your Canon 90D argument isn’t quite valid.
What shutter speed range are we talking about again? Exactly.

And if you need to print a file or two per annum large, then go ahead and break out that specialist camera, take that shot and print as large as you pleased.
What is that to do with run and gun situation or even printing wedding albums at 8x12?

And yes, here we go again. I suggest you read the original post and take it from there.
For your convenience I repeat:

Hi res rig is overkill for run and gun assignments if expected output is either screen or a small prints.
5DS/R is a specialist camera.

I'm not picking an argument with you, just making a statement. There is nothing wrong with overkill, might not be for everyone but if you only want 1 camera to do it all then a high MP camera can. You just have to be willing to carry the overhead of more HD capacity. As far as shutter speed is concerned what's the problem? Here are 2 shots from this morning that were shot hand held. The first is 1/6 sec at 6400 ISO through my kitchen window, the second 1/60 sec at 500 ISO, both with the 5DsR and 24-70 F4. I couldn't do any better with my 5D MK II 21 MP. I don't have a problem with shutter speed. Exactly! The last is a 100% crop. My 5D MK II couldn't do that nearly as well. Just saying................

 

[Memdroid]

because it is not rugged enough to withstand a commercial use:

CPS membership is only available to professionals who own eligible EOS 1D, EOS 5D, L-series lens and Cinema EOS products (view eligible products).
there you have it.

Thanks!
But my comment was more for the mirrorless crowd who does not consider the R as a pro body, but compared to the 5D IV, which is a pro body, it has more similarities than differences. IQ, MP, (LV) FPS, video etc.

 

[Architect1776]

I'm wondering as well, how can a focal plane-based focusing camera (that is, one that uses main sensor for focusing) front/back focus?

Magic.

 

[unfocused]

"Observe the behavior and infer the motivation"

And you will wrong 90 percent of the time.

 

[Architect1776]

I don't understand why the 7d2 is not considered 'professional' . So what if it has a crop sensor. Everything else about it is absolutely top shelf and it is a camera regularly used by professional photographers. Makes no sense really

Pros (People earning money and l a living by taking photos) use Rebels as well.
Do some pretty incredible work as well.

 

[bergstrom]

The RF lens prices are just off the charts and need to be reined in a bit.

 

[caffetin]

Ive got an interesting story as to why im possibly very interested in the high mp canon eos r camera.


over the past two years i felt a bit let down by canon for not supporting the "low budged" wildlife community as much as wished for. I had really hoped for the 7d iii and when the rumors about no 7d iii and only a 90d showed up i was very disappointed.
Then i saw sony announcing and releasing the 200-600 and the a7r iv, which seemed to me like everything i had whished for in a portable wildlife setup, so i bought the camera.

But for the last two months i only had problems with the sony setup. my plan was to use my sigma 150-600 sport with canon mount on a sigma mc11 adapter until i could save enough money to buy the sony 200-600. With the adapted lens i had a big backfocus at 600mm and couldnt really use it. So i speed up my saving and quickly bough the 200-600 but i had the same backfocus on that too, so i sent it back.
I then tested my sony a7r iv with a completly different 200-600 at my dealer and again the backfocus. My dealer then exchanged it against a new a7r iv... but still the same backfocus.
I even sent in bouth of my sony a7r iv for repair but they said they cant do anything about it (only sent in the body, not the lens).

Now im visiting my dad and checked out the camera store near his city and tried out their a7r iv and 200-600 they had... again a backfocus.

I dont know why noone so far has talked about this problem. Maybe they dont pixelpeep enough.
Well ... at this point it seems to me like sony is really a huge let down for me.

So i look forward to that canon, but im afraid it probably wont focus well enough for wildlife, what do you guys think?

I think that soon we will see a new crop sensor mirrorless cameras and lenses from canon.but everything in time(which we don't have it, according to all posts here)

 

[gdanmitchell]

What's that supposed to mean? It can't be a proper 5DS replacement without being a pro camera, or does it? I understood those terms to mean that the camera has two card slots and a bit better weather sealing than the R. Maybe an upgraded viewfinder.

With over a year of additional development time and a price tag above the R, I would have considered these a given.

What is the high res R expected to be missing?

It would a be a useful thing to stop using the term "pro" to refer to cameras. It is a misleading and incomplete term that tells us little about the equipment and, if anything, only a little about how it is positioned in the market.

The 5Ds/5DsR replacement camera is a great example. A high MP full-frame camera is, in fact, the thing that "pros" who need those qualities from a Canon system will choose, just as they do with the 5DsR.

 

[unfocused]

The RF lens prices are just off the charts and need to be reined in a bit.

The market always wins. Eventually lenses or bodies that are priced at more than the market will bear will see their prices drop. Right now you are seeing "early adopter" pricing.

 

[Punio]

In Canon's interview with Image Resource it was clear that when the Canon execs referred to Pro they were talking about a 1DX mirrorless equivalent. I wouldn't say every camera is pro if you can make money from it. Pro features today relate to features and weather sealing. Anything below the 5D are still consumer based features.

Back on topic though, what are the chances of a EOS R2? I am going back and forward on whether to wait for the next 'Pro' mirrorless or pull the trigger on the EOS R, when I need a 5D type camera.

 

[Ozarker]

70 135 f/2 would be very nice including 10 sessions in a fitness studio (2kg +)
I would be satisfied with a 100mm macro with f/2 resolving my dilemma with two lenses (2.8 macro + 2.0 100mm).
Add an RF 50 f/2 macro and this would maybe my preferred setup if I will ever switch to FF.

I'd be fine with the weight. Maybe a 100-135 f/2. It's anybody's guess right now.