What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

[AvTvM]

btw: are active AF fields now lit?
are buttons backlit?
is a radio-wireless RT flash controller built in?
is the SD slot UHS-II enabled?
spot metering linked to active AF field?
is viewfinder cover built-in?


no no no ? how stupid, Canon!

 

[ahsanford]

Responding in-line below:

btw: are active AF fields now lit? Surely, they fixed the black Servo AF points, right? We just need one hands-on video to confirm that.

are buttons backlit? This is a clear let down albeit a small one. I wanted this as well.

is a radio-wireless RT flash controller built in? Because they'd have to jack up the price to do that, I think. It's already expensive enough. As an available light guy 95% of the time, I love that I wouldn't have to pay extra for something I wouldn't use that much.

is the SD slot UHS-II enabled? Seems like a miss, especially if you only used SD before this. I'm guessing if you are doing burst with DPRAW you'd need to switch to CF as your format of choice (if you hadn't already on your 5D3 -- almost all regular burst folks on that rig use CF for write speed reasons).

spot metering linked to active AF field? My single biggest gripe.

is viewfinder cover built-in? The D810 does have this feature, but this is a petty gripe. Unless you shoot astro this need doesn't arise that often and there are a jillion ways to cover the OVF -- gaffer tape, a baseball cap, etc.

All in all, I'm peeved (but not surprised) about spot metering and thought backlit buttons might happen in a 2016 camera but the rest of what you have doesn't wind me up that much. I also don't understand how being only +2 fps higher than the 50 MP rig is a fair tradeoff. I appreciate keeping the FPS to a pedestrian level, but I honestly thought we'd see 8-9 FPS.

Still looks like a formidable upgrade, and if the on-chip ADC is as good as hoped + this DPRAW stuff, I'm confident it will sell as well as the 5D3.

- A

 

[Loswr]

...I'm confident it will sell as well as the 5D3.

Inconceivable!

The Mirror is dead. Long live the Mirror!

 

[AvTvM]

i expect it will not sell (nearly as) well (as 5D3) in europe ... unless price drops well below msrp very soon.
> 4k € is an outrageous price for a good, but not still only mid-level mainstream mirrorslapper.

 

[tron]

I Agree about the price. We will just have to wait at least 6 months and ... buy gray...

 

[scyrene]

Perfectly happy reading new posts about nothing that matters at this time.
I'll read every post studiously when The 5D Mark IV is in the hands of legitimate
photographers and posting worthy photos/comments that illustrate the improvements
or lack there of.
I should have my 5 cords of firewood spilt and stacked by that time.

Ooh, now you're talking! That's a lot of wood!

 

[scyrene]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

Does any camera have 'usable' ISO 102400? Everybody's definition of usable varies, but I've not seen anyone claiming that setting is usable except in extremis even on the 1Dx(II)/D5/A7s.

 

[scyrene]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

How can you be disappointed in (high) ISO performance when its an unknown at this point. It really doesn't matter what the maximum ISO settings are in the camera, what matters is the maximum "usable" value. The Nikon D5 have a maximum ISO setting of 3.3 million, but from all the reviews pictures are complete garbage that high. Based on Canon's recent sensors in the 1Dx MkII and 80D, I expect the high ISO performance to be very competitive with Nikon and Sony.

'Complete garbage', but you captured an image, vs. you got nothing, is still something.

I've been doing 'available light' for 45 years, and well remember the days of 2475 Recording Film. So what reviewers of today (many of whom weren't born when I was pushing film to 8000 ASA in HC-110) consider complete garbage is often times quite useable to me.

Thing is, I don't want "very competitive with Nikon and Sony", I want Canon to crush them (as we know they can, with some of the special cameras that have been demonstrated).

Ergo: disappointment.

Sorry, I should have read the whole thread before replying just before.

I've seen it said a fair few times that we are very close to the theoretical best high ISO performance already. The super duper low light Canon video camera is 2MP full frame - that extra performance can't really be leveraged in a modern DSLR (sensor experts - right??).

 

[StudentOfLight]

i expect it will not sell (nearly as) well (as 5D3) in europe ... unless price drops well below msrp very soon.
> 4k € is an outrageous price for a good, but not still only mid-level mainstream mirrorslapper.

Hint: It's more efficient to type four letters "DSLR"
You're welcome.

 

[scyrene]

I was really looking forward to being able to do Timelapse with this camera, but according to the manual one can only shoot up to 99 photos for Timelapse (Interval Timer).

Why stop at 99? How useless is that!

CANON, please fix this problem with a firmware update.

Are you sure it's not a typo? I imagine the time lapse function will be the same as in, e.g. the 5Ds, which is limited to 3600 shots.

 

[StudentOfLight]

I was really looking forward to being able to do Timelapse with this camera, but according to the manual one can only shoot up to 99 photos for Timelapse (Interval Timer).

Why stop at 99? How useless is that!

CANON, please fix this problem with a firmware update.

Read the manual properly.

 

[telemaq76]

i readed nothing about silent mode. The great 5d3 silent mode is on the 5d4 too?

 

[StudentOfLight]

Responding in-line below:

btw: are active AF fields now lit? Surely, they fixed the black Servo AF points, right? We just need one hands-on video to confirm that.

are buttons backlit? This is a clear let down albeit a small one. I wanted this as well.

is a radio-wireless RT flash controller built in? Because they'd have to jack up the price to do that, I think. It's already expensive enough. As an available light guy 95% of the time, I love that I wouldn't have to pay extra for something I wouldn't use that much.

is the SD slot UHS-II enabled? Seems like a miss, especially if you only used SD before this. I'm guessing if you are doing burst with DPRAW you'd need to switch to CF as your format of choice (if you hadn't already on your 5D3 -- almost all regular burst folks on that rig use CF for write speed reasons).

spot metering linked to active AF field? My single biggest gripe.

is viewfinder cover built-in? The D810 does have this feature, but this is a petty gripe. Unless you shoot astro this need doesn't arise that often and there are a jillion ways to cover the OVF -- gaffer tape, a baseball cap, etc.

All in all, I'm peeved (but not surprised) about spot metering and thought backlit buttons might happen in a 2016 camera but the rest of what you have doesn't wind me up that much. I also don't understand how being only +2 fps higher than the 50 MP rig is a fair tradeoff. I appreciate keeping the FPS to a pedestrian level, but I honestly thought we'd see 8-9 FPS.

Still looks like a formidable upgrade, and if the on-chip ADC is as good as hoped + this DPRAW stuff, I'm confident it will sell as well as the 5D3.

- A

Are backlit buttons really an issue? Most of the time I rely on muscle memory when I'm wondering around in the dark while doing astro. Also having the customiz-able quick control menu allows you to place numerous important-to-you items for quick access on LCD. Come to think of it the LCD is a touch screen, which is back-lit. Does that count as giving you back-lit buttons???

 

[StudentOfLight]

i readed nothing about silent mode. The great 5d3 silent mode is on the 5d4 too?

Silent continuous is my default drive mode. According to the manual 5D-IV can do 3fps in silent continuous and it can also do silent single shot.

 

[John2016]

For Photography YES
Videography NO (google it: majority of people say NO)

1.64 crop (On a 4k -full frame camera???)
No Canon LOG
No 4K HDMI output
MJPEG codec (1990 CODEC)
No Slow motion in FullHD or 4K
Internal FullHD recording only 4:2:0 (2016 right?)
No Metabones Speed Booster
No articulated screen

THIS IS THE END OF THE LEGEND FOR CANON!

 

[Loswr]

THIS IS THE END OF THE LEGEND FOR CANON!

YAPODFC. :

 

[rrcphoto]

For Photography YES
Videography NO (google it: majority of people say NO)

1.64 crop (On a 4k -full frame camera???)
No Canon LOG
No 4K HDMI output
MJPEG codec (1990 CODEC)
No Slow motion in FullHD or 4K
Internal FullHD recording only 4:2:0 (2016 right?)
No Metabones Speed Booster
No articulated screen

THIS IS THE END OF THE LEGEND FOR CANON!

 

[Jack Douglas]

AF point is illuminated according to the manual. The AF all looks extremely close to the 1DX II.

Jack

 

[John2016]

For Photography YES
Videography NO (google it: majority of people say NO)

1.64 crop (On a 4k -full frame camera???)
No Canon LOG
No 4K HDMI output
MJPEG codec (1990 CODEC)
No Slow motion in FullHD or 4K
Internal FullHD recording only 4:2:0 (2016 right?)
No Metabones Speed Booster
No articulated screen

THIS IS THE END OF THE LEGEND FOR CANON!

:-*
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7057004492/don-t-get-ahead-of-yourself-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-rolling-shutter-test
http://philipbloom.net/blog/canon5div/

My biggest disappointment with the release of the Canon 5D MKIV is with the video specs.

"For a camera that will have a shelf life of 4 years probably what it gives the user is simply not good enough. Here are the issues:
The 4K is not full frame, it is not even 1.3x crop like the 1DC. It is 1.74x crop which is HUGE. Whilst the depth of field technically won’t be affected by such a crop the field of view is. To replicate the filed of view of a Canon 85mm F1.2 you will need to look at the 50mm F1.2 and your depth of field will be substantially less shallow because of that. This sucks.
The 4K is only up to 30p. The rather nice 1DX MKII that came out earlier this year recorded 4K up to 50p/ 60p and it was with a 1.3x crop like the 1DC.
There is no 4K HDMI out so you are stuck with the ancient motion jpeg format in 4K.
The 4K is DCI 4096×3840, there is no option for UHD 3840×2160
The HD is ALL-I and not motion JPEG (good!), whilst we do get 1080p 50p/60p which which is fine… the 120fps There are no proper video functions that really should be in there. There is no C-Log mode. There is no peaking, there are no zebras. There is still no punch in focus check whilst recording. It’s quite astonishing. I had been asking Canon for peaking on my 1DC for years. It never came."

 

[Andrew Davies Photography]

My biggest hurdle in spending this much on a new body is how much better high ISO results i will get , looking at the manual AUTO ISO range is now 100-12800 instead of 100-6400 which if that meant 12800 is now as good as 6400 would be a significant increase but I think i will be waiting for some sample images to see if that's the case.