What Canon-branded RF lenses do you want to see in 2023?

[Del Paso]

I bit the bullet and bought the 28-70 f2. I'm extremely happy with it, but I understand people who don't want to pay that much or decided it's too heavy. How do you feel about an Ef 24-70 f2.8?

I guess he could also find it "ridiculously expensive".
What we should not forget, speaking of cost, is the fact that a 2023 Euro or $ is worth far less than 10 years ago, due to inflation. Consequently, the new Rfs are not necessarily more (or far more) expensive than their EF counterparts in 2013.
And they are mesurably better!

 

[Nemorino]

RF 2/60 L macro

With the same 1.4x magnification and SAC as the Rf 100L macro!

 

[davidespinosa]

EVERYTHING else is crippled in someway.

You are misusing the technical term "crippled".
It doesn't mean that the camera or lens sucks.
It means that the product has some capability, but Canon has intentionally turned it off.

 

[Del Paso]

With the same 1.4x magnification and SAC as the Rf 100L macro!

WITHOUT SAC !!!!!
(I'll never ever use it)
Well, OK, if you want it, then with SAC.

 

[Nemorino]

(I'll never ever use it

You never tried it!!!
I love the vintage look I can get with a AF lens if I like.

 

[Doormat]

Upon reflection maybe I’m just priced out of this somewhat exclusive RF club?

Apologies for misusing the “crippled” term but you obviously got the gist of what I was implying.

Maybe I’m not conveying my thoughts articulately enough? (I’m only working class after all!)
But the prices based on real wages and cost of living in 2023 vs the dumb down consumer canon offerings are to me appallingly bad value for money. I’m sure if I were a “boomer” these moot points could be easily cast aside.

I’ll keep the RP, 16 & 50 plus the ef-rf adapters. They are superb point & shoot options. The EYE focus, combined with -1 ex/comp and the crazy wide 16mm (or 11-22 ef-m) means no need to even compose, just point in the general direction and BANG a sharp snap. Really is Point & Press. Just like your smartphone

But that’s as far as I’m willing to go with the R line.

The fact canon has refused other manufacturers the license to build compatible R lenses thus denying every R user the option of seeking (sometimes better) alternatives says much.

I’ve spent the last few days not using either RP or M6ii but instead using the simple 6d with my EF inventory. Yes I love and miss the Eye Focus and the EVF. But there’s definitely a certain look from the 6d files that’s simply not there with either mirrorless I have. Whether the better R5/6 have that look I honestly don’t know, but from what I gather from online searching - no it doesn’t.

Maybe that’s canons future? To give us what our phones, tablets, 4K TV sets offer, super sharp high contrast, saturated images with minimal user interference.

 

[koenkooi]

[…] But there’s definitely a certain look from the 6d files that’s simply not there with either mirrorless I have. Whether the better R5/6 have that look I honestly don’t know, but from what I gather from online searching - no it doesn’t.[…]

Are you working with RAW images, and if
so, are you viewing them with an Adobe product?
I’m fond of the look DPP4 gives to pictures, which is very different from what Adobe products will show you. Not just with colour, but also contrast and gradients.

Apart from that, I notice a big difference with AWB between ‘classic’ cameras like the original M and 7D and the post 2018 cameras.

 

[Doormat]

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Are you working with RAW images, and if
so, are you viewing them with an Adobe product?
I’m fond of the look DPP4 gives to pictures, which is very different from what Adobe products will show you. Not just with colour, but also contrast and gradients.

Apart from that, I notice a big difference with AWB between ‘classic’ cameras like the original M and 7D and the post 2018 cameras.

i hope you won’t simply disregard me if I admit I don’t shoot RAW.
Everything is shot in jpeg - I’m acutely aware it’s perceived inferior to RAW, but if I may….
I studied photography back in the early 90’s gained numerous qualifications at 0 & A level (grade A’s) then City & Guilds 7470 (distinction), finally HND again highest score even got a award for getting the highest mark in the UK and my mug shot into the local paper - lol

Throughout that period (1990-96) I was utterly absorbed by photography- nothing else distracted me. Using 5x4 & MF either in studio or out on location it was without doubt the best years of my life.

I learned if nothing else to try and get the image ‘right’ in camera. Hence to this day even though it’s digital now I still persevere to get it right in camera. I did once attempt RAW with a friend years back. I shot both RAW and JPEG spent ages fiddling with the RAW, never content in the end it looked completely false and truth be told I much preferred the jpegs output.

For me there’s no question that my brief step into mirrorless is making me lazy in the same way my phone does.
As I mentioned in my last post the sensors of old like 6d and my old 5dc even my 40d have a certain natural look that’s totally missing from modern sensors, whilst the shots are super sharp and high contrast they resemble my iPhone in that the subtle nuances are missing in short they have become “pack” shots.
Had I not taken out my 6d again I would probably have not realised the massive differences.

I need to decide whether to move forward with this new soulless medium or step back, roll my sleeves up and work with what I have.

Given my frustrations with the RF consumer line I think it’s a given which direction I will go.

Still, I have 2 fabulous point & shoots for family days out.

 

[danfaz]

As I mentioned in my last post the sensors of old like 6d and my old 5dc even my 40d have a certain natural look that’s totally missing from modern sensors

I'm curious if it's the lens choice, though. The trend in lenses In the past five years or so has been to be clinically sharp and there has been a loss of character. However, I think the RF 50mm 1.2 seems to have retained some individual character that reminds me somewhat of when I had a 6D or 5D III.

 

[koenkooi]

I hope you won’t simply disregard me if I admit I don’t shoot RAW. […]

I asked because the last few occurrences of people having a very strong opinion on ‘Canon not looking like Canon’ in other forums almost always turns out to be people using the default Adobe profile,
not DPP4 or SOOC jpegs.
You using jpegs actually have a valid complaint

 

[Doormat]

I'm curious if it's the lens choice, though. The trend in lenses In the past five years or so has been to be clinically sharp and there has been a loss of character. However, I think the RF 50mm 1.2 seems to have retained some individual character that reminds me somewhat of when I had a 6D or 5D III.

I’ve read similar
But the general consensus seems to be that modern sensors with their high MP output are largely to blame.

It seems the reduction in size of the pixel pitch due to crowded MP on the sensor has robbed us of the “look” we had back then.

 

[Del Paso]

You never tried it!!!
I love the vintage look I can get with a AF lens if I like.

Depending on what comes or doesn't come next (TSE, high IQ zoom, R5 II...), I could possibly buy the RF 100 macro.
Just to please you I promise to give SAC a try. Yet, I own a few vintage lenses which are "dreamy" wide open. I take maybe 2-3 macros a year with them, wide open. And I totally dislike the Meyer Trioplan bubblegum bokeh, I find it too artificial, and distracting from the subject.
This being a purely subjective point of view, of course.

 

[Czardoom]

I’ve become so accustomed to shooting almost always wide open, with high shutter speeds/low iso and that gorgeous separation that wide open gives. Even contemplating something like the 24-50 6.3 makes me think what’s the point, I might as well quit now and buy a better smartphone.
I really dislike how canon is forcing these slow RF lenses upon us or expecting us to pay ridiculous sums for bigger aperture or L glass.
I’m just not going to buy into it - simple

No one is forcing you to do anything. Lots of fast, inexpensive pro L lenses available. I don't need to tell you what they are, 'cause you already know, but you ignore them so you can make your dramatic, overblown declaration. So be it.

 

[Czardoom]

The fact canon has refused other manufacturers the license to build compatible R lenses thus denying every R user the option of seeking (sometimes better) alternatives says much.

I'm pretty sure this has been pointed out to you already, but Canon has done no such thing as far as ANYONE KNOWS. So, you don't know. From the latest comments from Canon, they are and will look at 3rd party opportunities on a case by case basis. Hasn't happened yet - Yup. All that has actually happened is that Canon stopped those infringing on their AF patents. We know nothing about licensing negotiations. We don't know anything about anyone who may try to reverse engineer. In the end, you may end up being absolutely correct. In the end Canon may refuse to negotiate license agreements. But right now, all you are doing is spreading misinformation. And you're right, it does say much. About how people will bend the facts to suit their agenda. Your agenda is obvious, What is not so obvious is, if you are so against Canon, why not switch brands? Nikon makes excellent cameras and lenses and has negotiated agreements with Tamron and apparently also Sigma for their Z mount. I tried NIkon a couple years ago and was very impressed. I highly recommend their new Z cameras and lenses.