What do people want to see in the Canon EOS R1? PetaPixel gives their thoughts

AlanF

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I had troubles with my 100-500 and the R5 today photographing butterflies. AF impossible setting was to ON. Of course, I was using extension tubes which may have contributed to the problem.
I have photographed hundreds of butterflies and dragonflies posted on CR. I never have AF problems. I use for butterflies a fixed centre point focus as eyeAF goes to the camouflage eyes on the wings.
 
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I have photographed hundreds of butterflies and dragonflies posted on CR. I never have AF problems. I use for butterflies a fixed centre point focus as eyeAF goes to the camouflage eyes on the wings.
Interesting. The problem for me is recurring. Has me wondering if there is another setting in play here. I am not a specialist in butterflies but do like to work on them during our brief Montana summer. Have learned to avoid Eye AF, although I can't say it is picking up patterns on the wings. One factor I do believe is in play in MT is the wind. Today it was a canyon wind and over 20 MPH much of the time. I do have to wonder if QuadAF would help.
 
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AlanF

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Interesting. The problem for me is recurring. Has me wondering if there is another setting in play here. I am not a specialist in butterflies but do like to work on them during our brief Montana summer. Have learned to avoid Eye AF, although I can't say it is picking up patterns on the wings. One factor I do believe is in play in MT is the wind. Today it was a canyon wind and over 20 MPH much of the time. I do have to wonder if QuadAF would help.
I would have a low keeper rate with any camera, DSLR or mirrorless, trying to photo an insect on a stalk blowing about in the wind.
 
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Stills only crowd want the ultimate stills camera with no video features tacked on to justify the price tag
Anything with a high FPS may as well have video.
For Canon that is the R10 and everything above.
The 4K video on the R100 is pretty compromised but the 1080p is fine.
I am not sure it would be any cheaper with no video whatsoever.
 
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Anything with a high FPS may as well have video.
For Canon that is the R10 and everything above.
The 4K video on the R100 is pretty compromised but the 1080p is fine.
I am not sure it would be any cheaper with no video whatsoever.
No video whatsoever means not having an EVF. Good luck with that!
 
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Agreed. I've never been able to figure out how video features degrade still photos or the stills shooting experience. The only thing I can figure is that the "stills only camera" crowd thinks the price would drop? Not so.
Not that I agree with the stills-only group but I think that there has been greater incremental improvements on the video side than on the stills side. Or perhaps that video features have cascaded down from higher level cinema versions into hybrids now.
Stills improvements in fps/rolling shutter/resolution/IBIS/cRaw/AF but less so in dynamic range over the last few years. Are sensors hitting performance limits on the front side?
OVF/battery life are downsides of mirrorless vs DLSR and probably impact stills shooters moreso than video. Reviewing via EVF is a plus though.
 
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I could see a DSLR with no video.
However, Live View, DPAF, and hybrid video are probably too strongly associated with Canon at this point for them to try such a thing.
The 1Dx3 really showed how much better DPAF is over off-sensor AF. Setting it on a tripod and using liveview got me much better pictures than using the OVF. I know dragonflies-at-dawn isn't what it was designed for, but that's what I needed it to do since the rental place ran out of R5 bodies :)
 
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Given the last R1 became the R3 , will this one become the R2? Years in the waiting expectations will be high. I think it will struggle to justify its price tag over an R3 or R5. A higher MP to 60MP most likely. After that marginal improvements, better viewfinder/back screen (flippy in some way). For me it’s focus focus focus. Is there a limit to what you can expect from autofocus. Will it be able to focus on the eye of a small bird in a tree full of leaves. Will it track a Swallow? Will it track the footballer with the ball? It’s going to be very expensive but I think it will be good but struggle to justify its price. The 1DXIII for me didn’t justify its price.
 
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They are not giving the agencies time to ramp up before the Olympics.

If your current kits are 1DXMKII's and III's between the new bodies and glass, where is the time to get everyone to the point of muscle memory and work flow perfected?
Just use R3's to practice on?

With Canon's style of minor incremental changes to menus, ergos and workflow, the R1 isn't going to be that different.

It's a balance between wanting the newest and best body/lenses and not having much time to adapt, versus having 'old' body/lenses which you are fully trained on, but doesn't doesn't give you the absolute best AF and IQ.

You are between a rock and a hard place...
 
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Given the last R1 became the R3 , will this one become the R2? Years in the waiting expectations will be high. I think it will struggle to justify its price tag over an R3 or R5. A higher MP to 60MP most likely. After that marginal improvements, better viewfinder/back screen (flippy in some way). For me it’s focus focus focus. Is there a limit to what you can expect from autofocus. Will it be able to focus on the eye of a small bird in a tree full of leaves. Will it track a Swallow? Will it track the footballer with the ball? It’s going to be very expensive but I think it will be good but struggle to justify its price. The 1DXIII for me didn’t justify its price.
Ignore all the blowback. You're right, of course. Canon took their best shot at making an R1, then saw what Sony and Nikon were doing with their flagships and realized they'd lose face because their R1 was a total fail, so they renamed it the R3 and sold it for a whole $500 less than the 1D X III and Sony because it was so much worse than the those flagships, and $500 more than the Nikon because it was so much worse than the Z9. At the unjustifiable price Canon set for the R3, it was in stock everywhere immediately because no one wanted to buy it.

You're right, the R1 will struggle to sell itself due to its manifest inferiority. It should be named the R0, because Canon should just give up. Thanks for showing us how much more you know about making and selling cameras than that silly little company that has somehow managed to lead the ILC market for two decades despite not having you make their decisions for them.
 
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Stills only crowd want the ultimate stills camera with no video features tacked on to justify the price tag... Some people seem to want features in the camera whether they plan on using those features or not. I feel like those people are not too concerned with serious use cases for cameras. Others want what they need to be engineered to the highest standard. Those people are serious about their use case.
I disagree that people are not serious about their use case, and like I said before, a stills camera with video sacrifices nothing at all on the stills end.
 
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