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Hillsilly said:
I find it surprising that anyone at all that shoots Canon would want in-body IS. Asside from the technical limitations and heat build up, it's simply not as good for composing photos. When I look through my view finder and half press the shutter release I can see the image stabilize and I can compose correctly. I would not trade that ability for anything!
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EYEONE said:
I take it you really enjoy the IS on the 24-70 then? It doesn't matter how fast or wide the lens is, it will give you that bit more which I will gladly take if offered. No one said you have to have body IS *instead* of lens IS, but you could have it in *addition* to. There are a lot of lenses that don't have IS, and unlikely to any time soon, so having IS in body is better than nothing. Heating is a non-issue for stills shooting.
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Oh, just got irritated again about banding noise at low ISO. I know 5D mk2 does not have as bad banding as 7D, but anyway it would be nice with a completely random read noise, which increases the useful dynamic range.
I can't exactly say I often have problem with it on the 7D (and I've heard that the problem is less evident on 5Dmk2), but now and then it pops up, for example when pushing shadows in post-processing, and in some occasions it is slightly visible in quite bright skies too. Probably I'd have less problem if using Canon's DPP instead of third party raw development software, but I certainly don't like the idea of hiding flaws in the electronics by some inhouse secret algorithm that will not be in the third party softwares which most folks use. The less that needs to be fixed in post-processing the better.
I can't exactly say I often have problem with it on the 7D (and I've heard that the problem is less evident on 5Dmk2), but now and then it pops up, for example when pushing shadows in post-processing, and in some occasions it is slightly visible in quite bright skies too. Probably I'd have less problem if using Canon's DPP instead of third party raw development software, but I certainly don't like the idea of hiding flaws in the electronics by some inhouse secret algorithm that will not be in the third party softwares which most folks use. The less that needs to be fixed in post-processing the better.
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Expected this to be a hot topic and was interesting to read the wish lists of current users. As someone who is new but having completed a fair amount of research, I would expect that much of what has been put into the 7D will make it's way to the 5DMkIII. In particular though my two cents worth is:-
* Dual memory card slots (The Nikon D7000 has it so it's not impossible for this size body)
* Improved ISO
Also, can we expect better white balance. This seems to be a DSLR quirk which hasn't been able to be overcome even at the highest level (ie even the 1D's have issues here)
* Dual memory card slots (The Nikon D7000 has it so it's not impossible for this size body)
* Improved ISO
Also, can we expect better white balance. This seems to be a DSLR quirk which hasn't been able to be overcome even at the highest level (ie even the 1D's have issues here)
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- Here's my wish list, most important first:
[list type=decimal] - At least two stops higher ISO without an increase in noise. The improvement needs to be at the sensor level - not just postprocessing.
- Improved focus tracking of moving objects (athletes, birds in flight).
- Frame rate as fast as the 40D (6.5 fps), or better.
- Built-in wireless control. Paying hundreds extra for an add-on device may have made sense ten years ago...
- Weight no higher than needed. "Feels solid" can be just an illusion.
- The Mark II's 21 megapixels is already pretty good. At some point you just waste storage space and transfer time.
- If video features are added, they should NEVER get in the way of use as a still camera.
- Wider dynamic range. HDR from multiple exposures rarely gives what I want.
- A price increase is to be expected, but I won't pay 1D-level prices.
I'm asking a lot, but after all I have a perfectly good camera already. A new one has to be compelling.
Steve[/list]
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[list type=decimal]
[*]5, 7 or even 9 bracketed shots, or some other limit - user set preferably (for instance, to build HDR lightprobes with a full frame fisheye, or just ordinary HDR images).
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Ability to record a wider exposure latitude
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DNG support
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For video some sort of lens data and lens operation data file would be a blessing, specially if any computer graphics elements have to be inserted in the video - tracking footage is complex, compensating lens distortion can be complex as well, specially if you're using zooms frequently, so some sort of metadata file for the video to ease the burden of post production and/or tracking/visual effects would be nice (one can dream...).[/list]
What more...
[*]5, 7 or even 9 bracketed shots, or some other limit - user set preferably (for instance, to build HDR lightprobes with a full frame fisheye, or just ordinary HDR images).
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Ability to record a wider exposure latitude
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DNG support
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For video some sort of lens data and lens operation data file would be a blessing, specially if any computer graphics elements have to be inserted in the video - tracking footage is complex, compensating lens distortion can be complex as well, specially if you're using zooms frequently, so some sort of metadata file for the video to ease the burden of post production and/or tracking/visual effects would be nice (one can dream...).[/list]
What more...
lower noise overall and lower noise at higher ISO speeds, even at the cost of resolution. ISO6400 with characteristics of ISO400 would be nice (this is a wish list after all...).
RAW video, if coupled with one of the previous points, the capability to record a wider exposure latitude, this would be great, although storage and the capacity of the onboard CPU(s) to keep up with the data being fed would be a problem.
USB3 support.
The AF system of the 7D (no point in asking for the AF system of the 1D Mk.IV, but one can surely wish it).
Ability to program series of (time lapse) exposure for stills, and time lapse for video
Same price as the Mk.II.
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A lot of good comments and I would like to see by Canon that there be a way to connect the body to a portable hard drive...e.g. Western Digital or Seagate and be able to copy your CF card instead of buying 3rd party equipment like Nexto Extreme or a laptop. There is already a screen to view and USB. When in the wild with no Electricity and airline weight a priemum. Elimated all the baggage would be great.
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tvboy said:
The issue is availability of power. A camera barely has enough power to take a reasonable quantity of photos, it would have to have larger battery or multiple batteries to run a portable hard drive.
Check out the Canon wft-e4a for your 5D MK II, It or a upgraded version will work with a MK III. You can connect with a portable hard drive, a wired or bluethooth GPS, wirelessly operate the camera or download to a laptop, a whole host of power hungry things. And, if the battery runs down, the camera battery is not affected.
If you are doing video, hookiing up a partable hard drive to the WFT might work for you. For stills though, tethering a camera to a hard drive might not be the best thing.
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I edited the quote down to two items which should have been in my list too.autochrome said:
Time lapse should be really simple to add, would save having to connect a laptop with EOS utility to do a simple series of photos.
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lol said:
Actually bud, I don't mind not having IS on the 24-70mm. It's too short to really need it. We can go off whining about not having IS on every single lens if we want to but these normal range zooms don't need it.
They could do IS + Lens IS I guess. If that's what you want then go tell Canon. I don't really see the point. All the lenses that need IS have IS. Maybe we should all stop whining about features and go take some good pictures.
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Velo Steve said:
I would also prefer to have time lapse built in. However, Use of a laptop is overkill.
You can use the Canon TC80N3 for time lapse, I use mine and it works well.
There are third party units available as well, the Pixel TC-252 seems to fit the bill, but I have no direct experience with it. http://www.pixelhk.com/Proshow.aspx?id=76
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The laptop comes in handy for storing loads of images in RAW especially if you use a 5D MkII memory cards just don't seem big enough.
As for what I'd like from a MkIII I'd like a delivery date Canon can actually meet within a reasonable timescale following the announcement. So many products seem to have been announced and never delivered to store, I can't see the point of any more announcements until the back logs are cleared. Before anyone mentions the earthquake some of these date back well before the earthquake struck.
As for what I'd like from a MkIII I'd like a delivery date Canon can actually meet within a reasonable timescale following the announcement. So many products seem to have been announced and never delivered to store, I can't see the point of any more announcements until the back logs are cleared. Before anyone mentions the earthquake some of these date back well before the earthquake struck.
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Flake said:
Canon has always done pretty well at delivering camera bodies in a reasonable time. The 5D MK II took a couple of months, but then, the volume of orders took Canon by suprise. In the case of the new super telephoto lenses, it was a complete fiasco, just like typical Sigma announcements.
I also much prefer having a product ready to ship when a announcement is made, rather than a development announcement, or a wishful thinking announcement.
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scalesusa said:
Is it just a photography thing? PocketWizard, Paul C. Buff, etc., also announce products and an availability date, which invariably slips, then slips some more.
On the other end, there's Apple. No leaks in advance (or very few, at least, with some notable exceptions), product is announced and then starts shipping and shows up on store shelves the very next day.
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neuroanatomist said:
There is a HUGE difference between Apple and Canon though. With Apple, you pretty much know that their products get a pretty good upgrade almost every year. With Apple, generally speaking, their releases are very regular and you've come to expect it, and they usually deliver something really good.
With Canon, the upgrades are far and few, and you never know when to expect anything. Could be this year, could be 2 years from now. There is absolutely no predicting Canon. Canon has got into this pattern of very incremental upgrades to existing products -- add a flip screen here, maybe a 3x crop factor, etc... Many new cameras are just firmware updates of previous versions (t2i, 60d, t3i).
With Apple, they are usually pushing the edge, and that is why everyone just copies them. Apple is extremely progressive and Canon is extremely conservative.
I wish Canon thought like Apple. We would've have the 5D3 a year ago if they did.
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gene_can_sing said:
That's true, now. For their computers, at least, it's true because they are using Intel chips, and Intel has a regular schedule and a defined roadmap. But back when Apple designed/used their own chips (made for them by Motorola), it was a different and far less predictable story.
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