What will Canon do based on Nikon's first release choice (D4 vs D800)?

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon's 5D MK III is all set, and Canon knows what the Nikon d800 will be. The only question in my mind, is will Canon resist the temptation to pile on MP, or do something more modest. Those samples of D800 images at higher ISO's look horrible, hopefully, they were from a prototype and will be much better for a released product. Right now, Nikon fans are really screaming on the Nikon Forums.

Its always possible that the images were planted, just to see what the response was, and that a backup plan is in place.

 

[Canon-F1]

when you look at the LR dialog on nikon rumors you will see that the text "NIKON D800" does not line up with the "NIKON" text above it (it´s shifted about 2 PIXELS). that´s fake if you ask me... photoshoped.

with my cameras and LR 3.6 the text from make/model is lined up perfectly in LR.

i would bet 100 euros it is faked.

my LR:

i could be wrong.. sure... but i think im not.

 

[JR]

It does seem odd that partial file would be made available for the D800 when for example no one as seen files fromt he 1DX so far and we will not before the launch anyway. I would think that Nikon would manage this carefully and am with you "Canon-F1" on this one it does seem strange.

If they are real, then it does not look like the D800 will beat the 5D II for ISO performance anyway...!

 

[jrista]

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Maybe the D800 isn't aimed at the Nikon fans, but at the Canon fans (there are more Canon cameras...) who have bought the 5D2 over the D700, meaning that more customers value more MP than more IQ...

That would be both assuming that the D800 images are not fakes (I'm with Canon-F1 here, I think they are totally fake), and that increasing MP means degrading IQ. That isn't necessarily the case, as despite the complaints to the contrary, comparing my far higher MP 7D with the 450D, IQ on the 7D from a preserved detail perspective is WAY higher than it is on the 450D. Its ever so slightly noisier at 100% ISO100 crops, but the more megapixels certainly capture more detail and maintain detail sharpness better than a lower resolution sensor could even hope to capture in the first place.

 

[poias]

when you look at the LR dialog on nikon rumors you will see that the text "NIKON D800" does not line up with the "NIKON" text above it (it´s shifted about 2 PIXELS). that´s fake if you ask me... photoshoped.

with my cameras and LR 3.6 the text from make/model is lined up perfectly in LR.

i would bet 100 euros it is faked.

my LR:

i could be wrong.. sure... but i think im not.

What is happening is that NIKON CORPORATION needed to be made smaller to fit in the dialog box, while "Canon EOS" was shorter, hence no need to shorten.

So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

 

[Canon-F1]

So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

sure would be possible.... but my LR is not adjusting the fontsize.
and it sure does not adjusting fontsize for only one line of the menu.

 

[poias]

So, no fake. Just LR dialog adjusting the font sizes.

sure would be possible.... but my LR is not adjusting the fontsize.

Could you check how NIKON CORPORATION would appear in your LR? Make the dialog narrower, as well.

 

[Canon-F1]

Could you check how NIKON CORPORATION would appear in your LR? Make the dialog narrower, as well.

nope...it does not change fontsize as i wrote.
when i make the dialog as narrow as it gets then all letters that do not fit are replaced with "..."

and it makes no difference in english:

 

[poias]

Could you check how NIKON CORPORATION would appear in your LR? Make the dialog narrower, as well.

nope...it does not change fontsize as i wrote.
when i make the dialog as narrow as it gets then all letters that do not fit are replaced with "..."

I think different LR setups might behave differently. I have seen dialog font sizes adjust to the width of the initial popup in the past (I use a PC though).

 

[Canon-F1]

I think different LR setups might behave differently. I have seen dialog font sizes adjust to the width of the initial popup in the past (I use a PC though).

i use LR since version 1 (also PC) and never noticed it.
but i noticed immediately that the nikon type is shifted.

imo it would make no sence to adjust fontsize in only one (a few) line of the menu. that would look like a mess.

 

[Gothmoth]

i think it´s fake.
a bad one.

 

[Edwin Herdman]

I think thats faked. The NIKON word for the camera "Model" tag looks like its been tampered with...the letter spacing is different. You can tell because the latter N is farther right than the N of the word NIKON from the "Make" tag. If Lightroom rendered that itself, both 'NIKON' instances would be identical...there would be no letter spacing difference. The drop shadow on the model field is also a little different than the drop shadow for the rest of the EXIF fields...ever so slightly softer, not as crisp.

Nice catch. Not sure it's conclusive but it might be something.

That, combined with some of the stuff being blacked out (why in the world would someone black out the filename and timestamp info?? Seems like a setup to me!!)

I think that's legitimate to worry about - they may well be (and should be) concerned that the camera when returned to Canon will have an internal record of filenames and timestamps for the purpose of rooting out leakers. Just speculation on my part, but if I was in the position of a leaker, I'd be paranoid too.

 

[jrista]

That, combined with some of the stuff being blacked out (why in the world would someone black out the filename and timestamp info?? Seems like a setup to me!!)

I think that's legitimate to worry about - they may well be (and should be) concerned that the camera when returned to Canon will have an internal record of filenames and timestamps for the purpose of rooting out leakers. Just speculation on my part, but if I was in the position of a leaker, I'd be paranoid too.

Ah, good point, and well put.

The evidence that its a fake certainly isn't conclusive, however its extremely suspicious. About as suspicious as the choice of photographic subject for sample shots...could they have picked anything less suitable to demonstrate the uber awesomeness of the D800?

 

[torger]

I would be surprised if the D800 sensor somehow magically performs much better on high ISOs than the D7000 sensor, seen per pixel (they have the same pixel pitch). My guess is that it will perform more or less exactly the same per pixel, and gain advantage from the large area and resolution. Sensors are evolving slowly now, don't expect a revolution.

It will compared to the alternatives be fine up to ISO3200 (don't forget noise averaging due to the high res!), then there will be significant drop in performance, poor color reproduction at very high ISOs will in real prints be more of a problem than noise. If you're a ISO6400 - ISO25600 user then this is not the camera for you, then you need D4 if Nikon user and 1DX if Canon.

The D800 sensor is a high res sensor, so I think it would be much more interesting to look at what it can do at base ISO, and it will be much interesting to see how full-frame lenses perform resolution-wise in the corners.

 

[Isaac]

i think it´s fake.
a bad one.

+1