Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?

[mackguyver]

Oh my, I'd love to have part of your optimism in some parts of my life

You have to stay positive - although the new gear may have me smiling and broke

I really don't need the extra pixels for the work I've been doing of late, but who doesn't love new and expensive toys. Unfortunately expensive toys are just that and I had to order $1,200 worth of new tires for my car this morning. That puts a healthy dent in my photo budget as well...

 

[zlatko]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

If it turns out to be FF 7DII type sensor performance, I´ll be very disappointed and probably go for the Pentax 645z. If so, I´ll sell off a majority of my EF lenses and limited Canon to action, birds and wildlife.

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

If this thing is 16bit with massive DR, then the market will probably justify spending the money on it. Otherwise, it bodes very poorly for the near future of Canon tech, in terms of market perception.

I would only buy one of these cameras if the price was down to $3000 or less.

Over-compensating for other inadequacies? Sure, and DR matters more than anything for this new camera. Without super-massive DR, people just won't spend money on it. Poof ... there go the sales! For proof, just look at how severely the market has punished Canon in the past, um, 10 years or so. If your glass is half empty, things *always* bode very, very poorly for the market leader.

Let's make something very clear here. I don't need more DR. While I'm a fan if Canon I'm not going to pretend the market isn't looking for better DR.

I picked my team, but I'm not going to put on the blinders and run with it like an idiot.
I want Canon to gain market share and more MP might not cut it without added DR or cheaper price. I hope I'm wrong!

The market is not uniform. The market wants a lot of things. The market as a whole wants everything. But within the market, there are all kinds of photographers with all kinds of needs and all kinds of budgets. The market has bought a lot Canons without any massive DR, so that indicates something about the market. I'm part of the market too, and "more DR" is somewhere between #10 and #20 on the list of things I'll be looking for in a new camera. It's certainly relevant, but not very high on my list.

 

[msm]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

Agree completely, this body seems to be tuned for ultimate IQ at low ISO and if it turns out it is 2-3 stops DR behind the competition then that is a massive flop in my opinion. If it can match the competition, I will probably go for it.

I would also think it is a bit of a flop if it doesn't have true electronic first curtain, ridiculous if only 1D bodies can have that in Canonland.

 

[V8Beast]

I know it's not a fair comparison, but I'm shopping the 5Ds against the Pentax 645Z. As someone who doesn't need 50 megapixels, I have no intention of replacing my 5D3, which still feels and performs like new after three years.

However, I would consider adding a 5Ds to complement the 5D3 if it offers substantial improvements in tonal range and DR, in that order. The files I've seen from the 645Z are nothing short of phenomenal, and I'm skeptical that any 35mm sensor can come close to what the 645Z's giant Exmor offers in terms of the two aformentioned IQ metrics.

Let the measurebating begin

 

[kirispupis]

I will probably buy the 5DsR but I need confirmation on the dynamic range first. For this type of camera I am looking for DR - not high ISO. The fact that it has max native ISO 6400 (vs 16000 for the 7D2 which has a similarly dense sensor) tells me that it does not use the same sensor as the 7D2 - which is good.

My hope is they are doing something similar to the MF manufacturers by sacrificing high ISO for very good dynamic range. For me to bite though it would probably have to exceed what Nikon/Sony have, but this may be possible.

In terms of having the filter removed, there is more involved than just removing the filter. Do a search on D800 vs D800E for details. Since I would use it primarily for nature images and skylines, I do not believe moire will be an issue and I will definitely want the sharpness improvement.

 

[RLPhoto]

I know it's not a fair comparison, but I'm shopping the 5Ds against the Pentax 645Z. As someone who doesn't need 50 megapixels, I have no intention of replacing my 5D3, which still feels and performs like new after three years.

However, I would consider adding a 5Ds to complement the 5D3 if it offers substantial improvements in tonal range and DR, in that order. The files I've seen from the 645Z are nothing short of phenomenal, and I'm skeptical that any 35mm sensor can come close to what the 645Z's giant Exmor offers in terms of the two aformentioned IQ metrics.

Let the measurebating begin

And shooting MF is a phenomenally different experience. It usually much harder on the back. ;D ;D ;D

 

[RobertG.]

I'm interested in the 5Ds. But all I want is a significant improved tonal range, DR and low ISO performance. Ideally it should be equal or even better than the Pentax 645Z. I'll also wait for the new Sony A7R II before deciding which new camera to buy.

 

[PureClassA]

Is the Pentax 645z at $8000 a realistic comparison to a $3600 DSLR? Budget wise they are light years apart and while it may be one or the other for a small handful of folks, it's not where most potential buyers for this are. Oh, and that's before any glass. I'd love to get a 645z INSTEAD OF a new FF body.... but it's not reality. My $8000 purchase is earmarked for the 1DX2 anyway ;D

 

[theroadie]

I will most definitely be lining up for one. I'll wait to see some good "real life" reviews before I decide between the 5Ds and 5DsR versions. I want as much detail as I can get (and afford), but if my work flow is significantly slowed down by not having an aliasing filter, I'll go for the "safer" or the two. Either way, as a primarily studio shooter, this the camera I have been waiting for. ;D

 

[V8Beast]

Is the Pentax 645z at $8000 a realistic comparison to a $3600 DSLR?

Of course not, but if you're already leaning toward buying a 645Z, but the 5Ds ends up offering similar performance (which I doubt) for a fraction of the cost, then it is absolutely a valid comparison. Plus, the feature set (AF, FPS, weather sealing, peerless high ISO, flippy screen, outstanding shutter dampening) of the 645Z allow using it in settings and situations where MF previously wasn't even an option, which makes the comparison even more valid. As far as lenses go, you'd be shocked how reasonably priced the legacy Pentax MF glass sells for on ebay. That said, there are probably very few people what will cross-shop these two bodies. I'm just weird like that

 

[benperrin]

I'll be lining up for this camera but will also read the reviews with interest. Coming from a 5d2 (which has been fantastic) I think it's time for an upgrade. I was so close to upgrading to the mk3 just for the dual cards so I'm 98% sure I'll be pulling the trigger on this. With landscape being a big deal to me and wanting to print more and in larger sizes, I'm sure this camera will be worth the money for me.

 

[V8Beast]

I'll be lining up for this camera but will also read the reviews with interest. Coming from a 5d2 (which has been fantastic) I think it's time for an upgrade. I was so close to upgrading to the mk3 just for the dual cards so I'm 98% sure I'll be pulling the trigger on this. With landscape being a big deal to me and wanting to print more and in larger sizes, I'm sure this camera will be worth the money for me.

Stunning portfolio, mate!

 

[benperrin]

Stunning portfolio, mate!

Thanks mate. Enjoyed viewing some of your killer shots as well!

 

[RLPhoto]

Stunning portfolio, mate!

Thanks mate. Enjoyed viewing some of your killer shots as well!

Very well done portfolio. I enjoyed your landscapes. Australia must be brilliant in summertime.

 

[JoeDavid]

In terms of having the filter removed, there is more involved than just removing the filter. Do a search on D800 vs D800E for details. Since I would use it primarily for nature images and skylines, I do not believe moire will be an issue and I will definitely want the sharpness improvement.

You may be alright using one without an AA filter but, for people who shoot architecture, it can be a real issue. I see it all the time with cameras with AA filters. Windows with blinds are a good example. All those finely spaced horizontal lines can turn out some pretty ugly moiré patterns. I've seen it in daytime skylines too with buildings that have horizontal or vertical patterns in the architecture. I would expect Canon to issue a new version of DPP with a moiré removal algorithm but that doesn't help if you don't use DPP in your workflow.

Nikon produced some images early on with their 800 and 800E to illustrate the differences in both Moiré and detail. With those cameras I wouldn't risk the additional Moiré for what little additional sharpness not having the AA filter provided. Canon may be a different story though. They seem to use AA filters that are stronger (maybe trying to hit a happy medium between the needs of still versus video shooters). Hopefully Canon will do the same as Nikon and shot the same images with both cameras to illustrate how much of a difference there is with the two cameras.

Also, unless Canon makes a point of pitching it as having "improved dynamic range", I wouldn't count on it. That would take some major work on Canon's part. I also wished that they would have pushed the FPS up to 6 and deliver a 3FPS silent drive mode. With the 5DM3 and new 7DM2 I use that drive mode all the time when hand-holding the camera and, yes, I would hand-hold this camera sometimes. I would probably also be shooting MRAW or SRAW most of those times and save the full RAW for tripod based images with lenses that might actually make use of the extra MP...

 

[StudentOfLight]

I'll come back and answer when there is an official announcement with specs and prices.

 

[Eldar]

Is the Pentax 645z at $8000 a realistic comparison to a $3600 DSLR? Budget wise they are light years apart and while it may be one or the other for a small handful of folks, it's not where most potential buyers for this are. Oh, and that's before any glass. I'd love to get a 645z INSTEAD OF a new FF body.... but it's not reality. My $8000 purchase is earmarked for the 1DX2 anyway ;D

I already have 5DIII and a 1DX. To spent thousands on a 5Ds it must provide something special. To keep me off a Pentax 645z, it must provide significant noise and DR improvements. If it does not, I'll get the Petax. Patience with Canon is exhausted ...

 

[Boykinally]

I shoot mostly architecture and interiors. I'm really ready for a major IQ upgrade from my 5d2. Higher DR is the most important upgrade that I'm looking for in the new 5ds. If it is equal to the Nikon/Sony in DR I will be pulling the trigger on the 5Ds R but would love even more if thats possible…. Hope it's $4,000 or less!

 

[pdirestajr]

I might be interested depending on how the actual camera performs. I shoot a lot of commercial product photography, so if the resolution increase allows me to make larger prints that look significantly better than my 5DII I'll bite.

I constantly struggle with filling the frame with the entire product ( mostly shoot small cosmetics) to maximize output resolution, but then DOF gets too shallow.

Hopefully they announce those (rumored) new longer focal length tilt-shift lenses too!

 

[tcmatthews]

I do not know yet. Its lots of money. I just upgraded my Nex6 to a Sony A7 II. I need lenses. I might pickup one used in a year or two. I am focusing my Canon cameras more on wildlife and low light use.

Unless they turn out to be something special for my use I might be better off with a A7r II or what ever next year. I was going to get one this year but the A7 II was to good to pass up for general purpose. It scratched my itch so now I am done for a while. Really it is going to come down to performance.