Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?

[mackguyver]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!

I'm disappointed as well, but after checking out the sample photos, I'm not so sure I'll pass. Those extra pixels look pretty good to me and now that I have the 1D X, my 5DIII is rarely used over ISO 1600, so this might work well for me. At least we have some time to think about it.

 

[mackguyver]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

 

[Eldar]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

 

[pdirestajr]

I'm interested in the 5Ds for commercial product photography. I'll probably pass on the "R" version because I shoot a lot of products with print on them and printed packaging- I have a feeling those things may cause issues with the sensor. Also, I never think my 5DII isn't "sharp" enough, I just sometimes need to blow up small products like lipsticks to poster size!

 

[Jesse]

Am I the only videographer that doesn't give a shit about 4K on a DSLR? If you're making something that needs video that high in quality, use a damn video camera.

 

[Mogwai2]

Am I the only videographer that doesn't give a S___ about 4K on a DSLR? If you're making something that needs video that high in quality, use a damn video camera.

i shot 4k to downsample .. much better quality than native full hd.
and much more editing headroom.

 

[lintoni]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!

why don´t you simply learn to expose proper?

do you tell me you need to push shadows 3 stops with a 50MP camera for your job?

or did you need it for cat images and flickr?

Why don´t you write your garbage somewhere else?

so i guess you don´t want to show some of your work you desperately need 50 MP for?

i guessed so.

You could look through some of the galleries on this site and find some of Eldar's photos. The man is a talented photographer. You, on the other hand, are an ignorant tosser.

 

[Eldar]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!

why don´t you simply learn to expose proper?

do you tell me you need to push shadows 3 stops with a 50MP camera for your job?

or did you need it for cat images and flickr?

Why don´t you write your garbage somewhere else?

so i guess you don´t want to show some of your work you desperately need 50 MP for?

i guessed so.

Until you have actually made an attempt to see what we publish here, I suggest you keep your mouth shut or, to repeat myself, write your garbage somewhere else.

 

[Eldar]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!

why don´t you simply learn to expose proper?

do you tell me you need to push shadows 3 stops with a 50MP camera for your job?

or did you need it for cat images and flickr?

Why don´t you write your garbage somewhere else?

so i guess you don´t want to show some of your work you desperately need 50 MP for?

i guessed so.

Until you have actually made an attempt to see what we publish here, I suggest you keep your mouth shut or, to repeat myself, write your garbage somewhere else.

Do Moderators ban such insulting members or can they write whatever they like?

He he, we have good moderators here at CR and they have been quite good at determining who is insulting who ...

 

[Eldar]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!

why don´t you simply learn to expose proper?

do you tell me you need to push shadows 3 stops with a 50MP camera for your job?

or did you need it for cat images and flickr?

Why don´t you write your garbage somewhere else?

so i guess you don´t want to show some of your work you desperately need 50 MP for?

i guessed so.

Until you have actually made an attempt to see what we publish here, I suggest you keep your mouth shut or, to repeat myself, write your garbage somewhere else.

Do Moderators ban such insulting members or can they write whatever they like?

He he, we have good moderators here at CR and they have been quite good at determining who is insulting who ...

Yeah well.... it´s pretty obvious isn´t it.

A nice function provided by CR is the ability to ignore specific members posts. So this was my last response to anything you write, since you are one of the few people I have on my list. Have a good day

 

[Actionpix]

For me it is a dream, I had for 10 years, coming true. I am from the stone age. Used to work with 100 ISO and lower. I learned how to realy get the max out of my camera and lenses. I did not get newer cameras. I just learned to make better images. Technicaly. The only thing I missed to grow further was the technology to show my skills in digital imaging. Lets put it rude, if you came from a Phone camera it will be hard. You need high ISO because you have no clue how to compensate for "low" light technicaly. It will be hard because the amount of detail will show how far of you are with your technique. Time to blame the sensor. It is not sharp. Why more than 5fps? You only need one shot. How much easier life has been while all lack of technique was hidden in big pixel size. But I came from the stone age. I learned the hard way. Not by buying a new camera but by improving my skills.

 

[RobertG.]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

See http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_5ds#Specifications

"Focusing Screen
Fixed"

"•AF point-linked spot metering not provided"

 

[Eldar]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

See http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_5ds#Specifications

"Focusing Screen
Fixed"

"•AF point-linked spot metering not provided"

Thanks! That raised my disappointment level back to where it was this morning. I´m out.

 

[privatebydesign]

I am a 'No', at this point. Not because I am crying about DR, or the fact that the framerate doesn't go up in crop mode or any of that baloney, I am not getting one in the near future because, quite simply, I don't need 50MP.

I like the idea of the improved files but I am like a family man at a car dealership, I might like the look of the sporty two door model with the 800hp engine, but I actually need the versatility and robustness of the minivan. The difference in the analogy for me is that the minivan is a hoped for modest MP boost to the 1DX in the MkII.

If I had a need for 50MP I'd be all over that 5DS, with the 1DS gold lettering, like a fat kid on a cupcake. ;D

That damn 11-24 is tugging at the heartstrings purse strings though, I do use ultrawides a lot more nowadays but I just got the 16-35 f4 IS and it is a very good little lens...............

 

[privatebydesign]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

See http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_5ds#Specifications

"Focusing Screen
Fixed"

"•AF point-linked spot metering not provided"

Thanks! That raised my disappointment level back to where it was this morning. I´m out.

Eldar,

You are one of the few people here I would expect to get the very best out of these sensors. I for one will be disappointed if I don't see your feedback on them, personally I'd rather read your descriptions of using the 5DS (not R) than just abut any reviewer.

 

[RLPhoto]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

See http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_5ds#Specifications

"Focusing Screen
Fixed"

"•AF point-linked spot metering not provided"

Thanks! That raised my disappointment level back to where it was this morning. I´m out.

I'm out too.

 

[Eldar]

I just read Brian's update over at TDP and he has a lot of detail from Chuck Westfall. One cool thing I learned is that the 5Ds has the Auto ISO exposure compensation in M mode just like the 1D X. That along with some of the new 7DII features seems like there are a lot of little goodies to go along with the new body. I think I'll be trading in my 5DIII for one as soon as they're available.

My disappointment is fading a bit, so I have started to look for things to be happy about. And there are some.

A couple of important ones to me are having support for a high precision focusing screen for manual focus and spot metering following the AF point. Anyone seen anything about that?

See http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_5ds#Specifications

"Focusing Screen
Fixed"

"•AF point-linked spot metering not provided"

Thanks! That raised my disappointment level back to where it was this morning. I´m out.

Eldar,

You are one of the few people here I would expect to get the very best out of these sensors. I for one will be disappointed if I don't see your feedback on them, personally I'd rather read your descriptions of using the 5DS (not R) than just abut any reviewer.

Thanks, that is very kind of you, but it will not happen. I had a number of things on my wish list for this new camera. The top six were resolution, >14 stop DR, improved low ISO noise, precision focusing screen for manual focus, exposure metering locked to AF, illuminated AF confirmation. I got one out of six.

I had very high hopes for this camera, so today I am extremely disappointed ...

 

[mackguyver]

Thanks, that is very kind of you, but it will not happen. I had a number of things on my wish list for this new camera. The top six were resolution, >14 stop DR, improved low ISO noise, precision focusing screen for manual focus, exposure metering locked to AF, illuminated AF confirmation. I got one out of six.

I had very high hopes for this camera, so today I am extremely disappointed ...

Eldar, that puts things in perspective as to what you were hoping for and received. Also, I know you're considering MF and don't know if you saw this article, but the DR examples sure make me want to get the Pentax!
https://fstoppers.com/originals/pentax-645z-medium-format-digital-camera-review-41145

 

[jeffa4444]

If Canon follows threads on Canon Rumors then they should be worried that its loyal followers are unimpressed with the 5dS and 5dSR. I think part of this comes down to pricing a slight premium over the 5d MKIII is acceptable but in the UK its £ 780 higher ($ 1179) or 25.5% more. It does have features the 5d MKIII doesnt have but then technology marches on anyway and if you look at what Sony has done with the A7R and A7S for much less you start to wonder.

 

[privatebydesign]

If Canon follows threads on Canon Rumors then they should be worried that its loyal followers are unimpressed with the 5dS and 5dSR. I think part of this comes down to pricing a slight premium over the 5d MKIII is acceptable but in the UK its £ 780 higher ($ 1179) or 25.5% more. It does have features the 5d MKIII doesnt have but then technology marches on anyway and if you look at what Sony has done with the A7R and A7S for much less you start to wonder.

I don't think so, I think they probably have a pretty good handle on their market research and the camera will sell well to the very select group of people they expect it to sell to. But they are not enthusiasts cameras, well maybe a very few discerning enthusiasts, and as so often with Canon camera offerings the initial impression from people at forums like here is how disappointing it is, then we start getting user reports and seeing actual results and it just grows.