Why buy Canon when third party are this good?

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I have had TERRIBLE experiences with Tamron.

Out of the 4 Tamrons we have, 3 of them are completely broken and 1 the focus barrel is about to break.

Our little Nikon 18-55 pieces of crap withstood more and lasted longer than our Tamron equipment.

I will ONLY buy Camera Manufactures lenses now. I won't touch a 3RD party lens (except Zeiss for video) for anything.

Oh and good luck selling them for what you paid....
 
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First thing that comes to mind as to the thread title is, resale value, especially as the years go by.

Other than that, from the posted article "Focusing speeds may not be up to the speeds of Nikon and Canon equivalents, but they are not too far behind in all but the darkest conditions." That could prove troublesome for some. Otherwise, some of the sample shots looked pretty good. Why not just get it. IS/VR could be nice for video work.
 
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Is really Canon lenses get better resale value? I got my Tamron 18-270 about 2 year ago for 500 and just sold it on CL for 400 about month ago. Now I am selling my Canon 17-55mm which I got for 1100 and asking 900 on CL. Few people is asking for 800. Now I am still holding it because 800 is too low for me. The resale value of the Tamron lens is about 80%, and the resale value of Canon 17-55mm would be expected lower than that. How you guys can say Canon lenses have better resale value. Go to CL and check Canon 24-105mm and 24-70mm. You will see people want to buy them for 65% to 75% of their value. Wake up guys.
 
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cliffwang said:
Is really Canon lenses get better resale value? I got my Tamron 18-270 about 2 year ago for 500 and just sold it on CL for 400 about month ago. Now I am selling my Canon 17-55mm which I got for 1100 and asking 900 on CL. Few people is asking for 800. Now I am still holding it because 800 is too low for me. The resale value of the Tamron lens is about 80%, and the resale value of Canon 17-55mm would be expected lower than that. How you guys can say Canon lenses have better resale value. Go to CL and check Canon 24-105mm and 24-70mm. You will see people want to buy them for 65% to 75% of their value. Wake up guys.

By the way, I just sold my Sigma 30mm F/1.4 for 400. I bought it for 450, so the resale value for this THIRD PARTY lens is about 90% of it original value. It's much higher than Canon lens's resale value.
 
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We'll really just have to wait for really good reviews. So far i'm more interested in this lens than the 24-70L I of Canon. Resale Value? I dont really care about that, if i'm going to be really happy with this lens if i ever get it, why would i sell it? Just my thoughts. :)
 
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scrappydog said:

I really hope this lens sells well. If third-party manufacturers elevate their game, Canon may be forced to be more innovative in their products and more prudent in their pricing.

Yes for the same reason as you quoted I hope they sell a boatload of them, though personally I would never own a Tamron.
 
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peederj said:
The miserable onion bokeh on the portrait shot was all I needed to see to wait for the Canon II instead. Though the 24-105L serves me very well and has IS...

If you can afford the Canon MkII, that’s probably the better choice in terms of performance. However, I did have the 24-105mm before I sold it, and its IS is quite old and simply not as good as the Tamron promises to be (look it up on youtube). I’ve actually never felt as if I needed it on the 24-105mm – but that’s just me. That being said, the guy who reviewed the Tamron in the review you are referring to, says in the comments-section that the onion bokeh was due to water droplets on the front element as it was raining. I’d wait to see some more tests before I write it off.
 
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Bennymiata said:
Probably the biggest difference between buying a genuine Canon lens or an alternative brand is resale value.
A good Canon lens will hold its value, whereas third party leneses do not.

Also, you have to consider the build quality and reputation, and I think that Canon has that in spades.

Tamrons are usually considered to be "cheap" lenses.
I'm not saying they are bad, as I own a few third party lenses that perform very well, but if I went to sell them, I wouldn't get anywhere near what I paid for them.

But when it is half the cost what resale is there to worry about? You are already a $1000 behind to start!

Anyway it will be interesting to see how the two compare. Some say the tamron has very nasty bokeh and is not very sharp f/4 and under (but it might be a way to get top landscape quality at a decent price).

I actually liked the Tamron 17-50 2.8 better than the Canon 17-40L and sold the L. Found the Tamron 28-75 to be sharper, center and edge, than the 24-105L although having a bit worse contrast and much slower AF (and of course no IS and less range).

On the other hand the Canon 70-300 IS L is definitely better than the Tamron 70-300 VC (although the Tamron is a steal for the price).
 
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stabmasterasron said:
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mitchell3417 said:
I had a Tamron. I sold my Tamron. Would take a lot of great reviews for me to go back to a Tamron.

+1.....sticking with Canon L glass, and in some cases Carl Zeiss. Only lens other than these I might consider is the Sigma fisheye.

++1....sold my 17-50 VC. Image quality was OK, but autofocus was a joke compared to ultrasonic from canon. Maybe the new USD from Tamron will be good.

In the field, I actually got more shots with ideal focus from the 17-50 non-VC than from my 17-40L.
 
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epiem said:
I have had TERRIBLE experiences with Tamron.

Out of the 4 Tamrons we have, 3 of them are completely broken and 1 the focus barrel is about to break.

Our little Nikon 18-55 pieces of crap withstood more and lasted longer than our Tamron equipment.

I will ONLY buy Camera Manufactures lenses now. I won't touch a 3RD party lens (except Zeiss for video) for anything.

Oh and good luck selling them for what you paid....

My tamrons have held up vastly better than some canon such as canon 50 1.4 and they certainly have better build than the canon 70-300 IS non-L.
 
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bycostello said:
your canon lenses will always work on future canon bodies
your canon lenses will retain value more
your canon lenses are just better

I don't know if the first reason is true or not. I just wonder how many old third party lens cannot be used on Canon's new bodies. However, I really question your second and third reasons. I mentioned that Canon's lenses do not always have better resale value in my earlier post. Most resale values of Canon lenses are below 80% of it original value. I am still trying to sell my Canon 17-55mm which I bought @ 1100 plus tax. If you like, I would like to sell you 900 without tax. :)
Here is the link to show you this lens is better than Canon 24-70mm Mark I. Please don't tell me Mark II is better because they are not in the same price range and lack of IS feature.

Edit: forgot the link.
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/quick-tamron-24-70-mtf-data

By the way, people are posting some pictures taken by the lens in the past two days in this thread.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1145772
They look great.
 
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This has been an interesting thread to follow. ;)

I think that third party lenses (eg Tamron, Sigma, Tokina and others) have their place, particularly when the prices are much lower than similar lenses

Some time ago, I was looking at replacing my Canon 100-300mm USM which I had for some years. For replacements, I was thinking of the Canon 70-300mm (micro)USM IS, and was also considering the Tamron 70-300mm VC USD which I had seen some good reviews of. I didn't want the Canon 100-400mm L USM IS (because of its weight / size, older IS, push-pull action and design). So after reading various reviews (professionals and 'in the field user reviews') - as well as knowing how good the Canon 70-300mm was... I basically thought I would go with the Tamron 70-300mm VC USD, and even bought a good quality 62mm filter for it - that came up at a good price. Neither the Canon 70-300mm or Tamron 70-300mm had quite the quality I wanted, but I NEEDED both IS (or VC) AND more contrast & sharpness than my Canon 100-300mm could offer at 300mm, as well as being sharper wide open. So I was on the edge of this purchase 'with a sigh'.

Then the Canon 70-300mm L USM IS was announced. While it was a higher price... I immediately was interested, but thought... hmmmm maybe not - it's a big white L (whereas I wanted and needed something portable). However a few weeks later - when I had tried the Tamron 70-300mm VC USD in store, I asked to see the Canon 70-300mm L. I was immediately impressed how portable it was - and yes, it fit attached to my 7D in my existing LowePro shoulder bag. The salesperson offered me a good price, and would throw in a quality Hoya CPL filter at a discounted price too.

After going home and checking some more early user reviews as well as pro and site reviews, I decided I would purchase it... as it really met all my needs (in terms of IQ, USM, IS). I have not looked back. A few years ago I was looking at purchasing a telezoom - and was looking at a few Sigmas (eg 80-400mm, 50-500mm, 135-400mm, etc)- but none of the lenses, including the more recently introduced 'OS' versions had as good image quality AND HSM focus and OS, in a truly portable and 'shoot all day without any strain' size / weight. Also, generally I found some of these lenses did not have the best bokeh. Some of them did 'some things' well - but not 1 lens met exactly what I was looking for.

When I was looking to purchase an ultra-wide zoom, I ended up looking at the Sigma 10-20mm HSM f4-5.6 as well as the Canon 10-22mm USM f3.5-5.6. I ended up getting the Sigma 10-20mm mainly because the image quality was basically identical on both lenses (both are capable of producing great, sharp, contrasty photos) - whereas the Sigma's price was almost half that of the Canon's... plus the build quality of the Sigma is a bit better, plus it came with a lens hood included (and the size / shape of the hood much better than the Canon version). However, there is one 'niggly little thing' with my Sigma lens (apart from the 'different zoom ring direction' to Canon lenses)- and that is that the Autofocus is not always consistent, nor 100% accurate. Thankfully the way that I use my ultrawide lens (for 90% of the time it's for landscapes) - I just use manual focus, and because of the extremely wide depth of field, all the shot is in focus (and sharp!) The remaining 10% of my use of this lens is a mix of architecture (still use MF) and some 'special effect' photos - which occasionally benefit from AF. Still, for the very few times I use it on AF, it's not an issue. (PS - and the Sigma 'yellow cast' is not really a noticeable issue on my lens, if I need to I adjust in post processing).

Then when I was looking to purchase a macro (I wanted something around 90mm - 150mm) - I didn't find a lens that had the focus I needed (true USM / inner focussing) as well as the optical quality and size. Whereas there are many very good, ultra sharp macro lenses out there, also from third parties- I ended up buying the Canon 100mm (non L). It has the characteristics that I needed, without a compromise on IQ.

Ok, the point of all the above is that I do think there are many great third party lenses... and indeed there are some lenses made which the original camera body manufacturers do not have an exact equivalent to (eg the Sigma 120-300mm f2.8, or some ultrawide primes, or the Tamron 60mm f2 macro). However where there are very similar or equivalent lenses, generally speaking - the original manufacturers lenses seem to have a bit of an edge. Note I say 'generally'. Just as in this case, I think the Tamron 24-70 will have 'great IQ' (and it has the bonus of VC) - but - it won't have the absolute 'stunning IQ' of the new Canon 24-70mm USM, plus I expect the Canon will probably have superior bokeh.. I can understand why a lot of people will be getting the Tamron 24-70mm (particularly for the price) - yet most professionals will probably buy the Canon 24-70mm mk II. There is a place for both. 8)

Happy shooting everyone!! Competition IS good.

Paul
 
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pj1974 said:
Just as in this case, I think the Tamron 24-70 will have 'great IQ' (and it has the bonus of VC) - but - it won't have the absolute 'stunning IQ' of the new Canon 24-70mm USM, plus I expect the Canon will probably have superior bokeh.. I can understand why a lot of people will be getting the Tamron 24-70mm (particularly for the price) - yet most professionals will probably buy the Canon 24-70mm mk II. There is a place for both. 8)

Happy shooting everyone!! Competition IS good.

Paul

I believe most people buy Tamron 24-70mm VC for two reasons.
1. It has better IQ than Canon 24-70mm Mark I(not Mark II)
2. VC feature.

If Canon 24-70mm Mark II is 1299, I believe people wouldn't be interested in Tamron 24-70mm VC. Remember this lens is even cheaper than Canon 24-70mm Mark I.
 
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