Will the 70d have a new sensor?

[Eimajm]

Whats wrong with the current sensor, I'm very happy it in the 7D. If you want a better sensor buy a full frame camera with appropriate longer lenses. There are thousands or talented photographers making superb images with the current sensors, if your not doing this then a better sensor won't help you.
Crops sensors make cameras affordble, they are not intended to compete with a full frame, its just a cheaper option. If canon actually put a 1.6 crop sensor from the 1DX everyone would be moaning about lack of resolution and ability to print large.
If you want a better sensor pay the money and buy a better one, stop whining why a more affordable camera is not as good as a top end one.

 

[jeffa4444]

"Skyfall" was shot on the Arri Alexa, "Prometheus" on the Red Epic both have sensors slightly larger than APS-C both films were sharp at the cinema. The Arri Alexa has 8.25micron pixels, the Red Epic has 5.4micron pixels the Sony F55 4.2micron pixels the Canon 7d 4.3micron pixels. However the Alexa has 14 stops dynamic range, the Epic 13 stops (18 with HDR) and the F55 a claimed 14 stops of dynamic range the Canon 7d has 8-9 stops.

What limits the APS-C market are lenses the EF-S lenses are built to a price and their resolution, cromatic abberations and distortions all contribute to limiting image sharpness. Even some of the L lenses are not up to scratch again price is certainly a limiting factor but so is optical design. That Arri Alexa or Red Epic have lenses costing thousands of dollars, are shot predominately on fixed focal lenghs and when on zooms lenses use designs that most still professtional or amatuers could not afford. Small pixels need high resolution lenses that control cromatic abberations, colour fringing etc. and are matched for nyquist.

Post-processing can recover some errors but rarely apparent sharpness and when magnifying the finished result which will be enlarged more for APS-C rather than full-frame those weaknesses will show up particularly in low light.

 

[aj1575]

Whats wrong with the current sensor, I'm very happy it in the 7D. If you want a better sensor buy a full frame camera with appropriate longer lenses. There are thousands or talented photographers making superb images with the current sensors, if your not doing this then a better sensor won't help you.

There is nothing wrong with the current sensor, it is just getting old. I use a 350D, and I can make nice pictures with it. The IQ is okay as long as I stay under ISO400. But after 7 years with it, I like to buy a new camera. The problem is, that I did not wait 7 years to buy a 3 1/2 year old sensor. This sensor is just not state of the art anymore. If I could start from scratch, I would probably go for a D7100 at the moment. It is just the better package right now.
You might be right, that the 7D (60D) sensor is not bad in absolute terms, but compared to a D7100 / D5100 it is just not up to date. You are also right that my images will not improve with a better sensor, but it will allow me to take pictures which I'm not able to take now, because the IQ of a 350D at ISO 1600 is really bad, the 60D/7D are already an improvement, but a state of the art sensor like in the D7100 would be even better.

 

[aj1575]

Crops sensors make cameras affordble, they are not intended to compete with a full frame, its just a cheaper option. If canon actually put a 1.6 crop sensor from the 1DX everyone would be moaning about lack of resolution and ability to print large.
If you want a better sensor pay the money and buy a better one, stop whining why a more affordable camera is not as good as a top end one.

lol.. boy that is really not the question.

this is a forum about gear.. if you don´t want to talk about gear you are wrong here!!

Just be nice please.

What Eimajm said is basically true. APS-C is cheaper than FF, and will always be so; but the IQ of APS-C will also be worse that the one of FF sensor (at the same time). these are just facts. If you wan't top quality, then go for FF or medium (medium will always beat FF).
I think, that unless you are a pro, you don't need a FF camera. Which does not mean that you can not buy one if you like; just be aware that you actually could achive the same result in 99% of the cases with a cheaper camera.
For me personaly the question is more, what is the best choice at the moment, and wich is the best moment. I think that right now it is the wrong time to buy a Canon APS-C camera, because Canon needs to make a bigger step then in the recent years. On the other hand, it is a good time to buy a little dated camera for a low price (especially the 60D); the problem is, that it will be very old pretty soon.

 

[dlleno]

...I think that right now it is the wrong time to buy a Canon APS-C camera, because Canon needs to make a bigger step then in the recent years. On the other hand, it is a good time to buy a little dated camera for a low price (especially the 60D); the problem is, that it will be very old pretty soon.

The only additional suggestion I would make here is that if you are on the fence re: C vs FF, then right now is not the time to buy either one. I would wait until 7D2 and 70D both show their cards, and then decide what that means in terms of the current FF versus the next generation of sensors for both C and FF camera bodies. After 7D2 comes out, with its supposedly wahoo sensor, one may still opt for a 5D3

 

[TeQuillaaaA]

When the canon 70d will be available?

 

[J.R.]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

 

[aj1575]

When the canon 70d will be available?

Nobody knows for sure, but rumors say, there will be an april announcement. The 60D is on the market for 2 1/2 years (which is very long for xxD body) and its prices are at an alltime low. So it could/should come before summer.

 

[TeQuillaaaA]

When the canon 70d will be available?

Nobody knows for sure, but rumors say, there will be an april announcement. The 60D is on the market for 2 1/2 years (which is very long for xxD body) and its prices are at an alltime low. So it could/should come before summer.

I hope so ... and whats the price? 900 $?

 

[that1guyy]

When the canon 70d will be available?

Nobody knows for sure, but rumors say, there will be an april announcement. The 60D is on the market for 2 1/2 years (which is very long for xxD body) and its prices are at an alltime low. So it could/should come before summer.

I hope so ... and whats the price? 900 $?

Obviously, no one knows the price. I doubt it is as low as $900 though since that is probably the price of the T5i. I'm guessing $1100-$1400 body only.

 

[CarlTN]

"Skyfall" was shot on the Arri Alexa, "Prometheus" on the Red Epic both have sensors slightly larger than APS-C both films were sharp at the cinema. The Arri Alexa has 8.25micron pixels, the Red Epic has 5.4micron pixels the Sony F55 4.2micron pixels the Canon 7d 4.3micron pixels. However the Alexa has 14 stops dynamic range, the Epic 13 stops (18 with HDR) and the F55 a claimed 14 stops of dynamic range the Canon 7d has 8-9 stops.

Great info! I loved both movies, and was especially surprised at how good "Prometheus" was. There weren't even any teenage vampire love triangles anywhere during the movie. Some directors still know how to make a good movie that appeals to people older than 19 or so.

I saw Prometheus in an "imax" certified room. The sound is usually too loud there, and distorted, but not with this particular movie. The dynamic impact, the bass slam and extension...reminded me a little of the first Jurassic Park 20 years ago. I have a feeling the soundtrack won't sound quite as good for the 3D re-release of Jurassic, but I will see it anyway.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

yes

Try Nikon D800 at 36MP with mid range (and below) lenses.

 

[Don Haines]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

yes

Try Nikon D800 at 36MP with mid range (and below) lenses.

I suggest you sell ALL your Canon gear and get a Nokia 808 cellphone. With 41 megapixels it MUST be better.

 

[ecka]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

yes

Try Nikon D800 at 36MP with mid range (and below) lenses.

I suggest you sell ALL your Canon gear and get a Nokia 808 cellphone. With 41 megapixels it MUST be better.

and it IS BETTER ... than other cellphones.

 

[9VIII]

Is it just me or does this thread sound a lot like a bunch of people arguing over the superiority of 4x5 film for street photography and 35mm for landscapes?

 

[J.R.]

Is it just me or does this thread sound a lot like a bunch of people arguing over the superiority of 4x5 film for street photography and 35mm for landscapes?

Actually, this thread sounds a lot like a bunch of children arguing over nothing ;D

 

[J.R.]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

yes

So basically you are telling me that the results of a 18MP rebel are better than the 16MP 1D Mark IV?

 

[bereninga]

Agree with those saying that the 70D will not have a new sensor. The 70D can't be perceived by customers as the top of the line APS-C. But given how old the 7D1 is, people may believe that the 70D is better anyway.

For that reason, I'm really surprised the 7D2 isn't coming out before the 70D. It's far more logical to go like this:

Lead with 7D2 --> extra processor for highest burst, brand spanking new sensor, 1DX / 5D3 AF, high-end $2k offering, etc.
Stagger 70D 6-12 months later --> just one processor for modest burst, that same 7D2 sensor, a 7D1-like AF
Stagger the next Rebel after that --> same 7D2 sensor but with nerfed AF and burst

- A

I agree with this. The 7D came out before the 60D, so the 7DMkII should be released before the 70D. It makes a lot more sense to go in this order, but hey, Canon doesn't make sense a lot of the time. ;D

 

[J.R.]

You never get a worse result with higher resolution camera regardless of the lens you are using.

Is that a blanket statement applying to all cameras? : :

yes

So basically you are telling me that the results of a 18MP rebel are better than the 16MP 1D Mark IV?

no, then we are discussing 2 different sensor sizes , its requires more from the lens with a smaller sensor and 18Mp

Exactly! That is why I asked you whether your statement applied to all cameras

 

[2n10]

I tend to believe that it will have the same sensor as the SL1 which is supposed to be a new design although still 18MP.