Would it be a downgrade in features / results from a 5D IV to a 6D II?

[RandomRazr]

I miss the articulating screen from my 80d when i upgraded to the 5d IV.

Was uesful for my applications particuarly with video.

Keeping the 24-70mm II L lens i have unless you guys recomend somethign else for that too.

curious if i would lose features or quality of photos and video with the supposed "downgrade".

i dont care for the dual card slots either.

 

[Talys]

I miss the articulating screen from my 80d when i upgraded to the 5d IV.

Was uesful for my applications particuarly with video.

Keeping the 24-70mm II L lens i have unless you guys recomend somethign else for that too.

curious if i would lose features or quality of photos and video with the supposed "downgrade".

i dont care for the dual card slots either.

I would have bought the 5DIV if not for the lack of an articulating screen I also really needed the articulating screen for some applications, so instead I used xxD's and waited for and bought the 6DII instead. I am generally very happy with the camera, and pleased with the quality of photos.

I have used the 5DIV, but not extensively. The things I wish the 6DII had the most are expanding autofocus points and the joystick. You may also miss the AF coverage; though I find the horizontal coverage just fine, I think the vertical coverage away from the center zone would be great if it could have just one more row.

Another thing to possibly consider, the 6DII's price right now is fantastic.

 

[Ozarker]

I miss the articulating screen from my 80d when i upgraded to the 5d IV.

my camera sits on a tripod for video .

i maybe used the flippy screen 5% of the time

I missed the articulating screen going from the 70D to the 5D Mark III. Maybe the Mark V will have it if a Mark V is born.

Keeping the 24-70mm II L lens i have unless you guys recomend somethign else for that too.

??? What? Great lens. What else would you want? Did you just get the camera and lens and want to return them?

i dont care for the dual card slots either.

Why not just remove one of the cards?

Parts of this post are a little strange.

 

[peterzuehlke]

I am not that familiar with the 6d mark ii though most reviewers seem to say from an IQ point of view it is pretty close to the mark i. mainly improved autofocus, dpaf and articulating screen. I went from a 6d mark i to a 5d IV, and for the things i shoot, low light performance, i feel I get an extra strop of usable ISO (noise and color depth) and better ability to open shadows (better than my Sony ;-) and twice as many keepers in general. so if iq is your concern and you shoot in questionable light, as we all do at times, i would stay with the mark iv

 

[AuroraChaserDoug]

I am not that familiar with the 6d mark ii though most reviewers seem to say from an IQ point of view it is pretty close to the mark i. mainly improved autofocus, dpaf and articulating screen. I went from a 6d mark i to a 5d IV, and for the things i shoot, low light performance, i feel I get an extra strop of usable ISO (noise and color depth) and better ability to open shadows (better than my Sony ;-) and twice as many keepers in general. so if iq is your concern and you shoot in questionable light, as we all do at times, i would stay with the mark iv

I completely agree. I gladly dumped my 70D for the quality of images and high ISO performance of my 5D mk iv. I miss the flippy screen but use a Camranger when necessary.

 

[sanj]

Do you need 4k? Features? What features are important to you that 5d has that 6d does not? The picture quality will be indistinguishable.

Focus points and 4K are the only 2 things that I can think of that will offset the articulating screen.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Of course its a downgrade in features, but if you don't use them, then its not a downgrade to you.

If you place a high value on the fold out LCD, thats ok, if you don't use two cards, thats ok. The 6D MK II is pretty close to a FF 80D, that sounds like it will work for you.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

Do you need 4k? Features? What features are important to you that 5d has that 6d does not? The picture quality will be indistinguishable.

Focus points and 4K are the only 2 things that I can think of that will offset the articulating screen.

I'm under the impression that the IQ of the 5dmk4 is considered better than the 6d series in a number of situations. Whether this will be important for the op will be another thing though - Dustin Abbott did a nice comparison between the two, where the 5d held up much better in contrast situations

 

[pdirestajr]

All of these modern cameras are awesome. As long as it has the features YOU NEED to capture your vision you won’t be held back. I personally consider the back thumb stick a necessary feature. I’ve gone from a 7D to a 5DII to a 7DII to a 5DIV, and just can’t shoot without it.

 

[stevelee]

In the six months that I've had the 6D2, I have used the articulating screen much more than I expected. Somehow I didn't use it all that much on my T3i, but when the eclipse came along, it was crucial. Getting the sun in the frame viewing through an 18-stop filter was enough of a challenge without standing on my head at the time. If I hadn't got the 6D2, perhaps I would be using it more on the T3i. I've certainly found the flippy screen on my G7X II when traveling. I've taken picture of the insides of domes and towers without needing medical care for my neck.

When my crocuses were in bloom, there were many days that I put the 100mm macro on the 6D2 and take handheld shots of the flowers down on their level. I don't have any tripod-like device that would work for these pictures. So rather than lying on the ground in the cold, I flipped out the screen and rotated it for my convenience. If I were still using the T3i, I doubt it would have occurred to me to try making these pictures.

I've never used a 5D IV, and so I don't miss the joystick I've never had. I once asked here how might I demonstrate the "horrid" DR of the 6D2 that them interwebs have been all abuzz about, and people told me not to bother. My first photo excursion with it included shots and video of a Chinese lantern exhibit at night. I used auto exposure, and everything turned out great. I used the 24-105mm STM lens that I got with it, and autofocus in tricky situations was amazingly fast and accurate. So far I've not wanted something in the extreme edges of the frame in focus with everything else out, so the AF distribution has not been a problem. I haven't tried shooting a landscape at ISO 100, and I don't underexpose by three stops and expect to bring out detail in the spider webs in dark corners. I hear you need a Sony for that.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

In the six months that I've had the 6D2, I have used the articulating screen much more than I expected. Somehow I didn't use it all that much on my T3i, but when the eclipse came along, it was crucial. Getting the sun in the frame viewing through an 18-stop filter was enough of a challenge without standing on my head at the time. If I hadn't got the 6D2, perhaps I would be using it more on the T3i. I've certainly found the flippy screen on my G7X II when traveling. I've taken picture of the insides of domes and towers without needing medical care for my neck.

When my crocuses were in bloom, there were many days that I put the 100mm macro on the 6D2 and take handheld shots of the flowers down on their level. I don't have any tripod-like device that would work for these pictures. So rather than lying on the ground in the cold, I flipped out the screen and rotated it for my convenience. If I were still using the T3i, I doubt it would have occurred to me to try making these pictures.

I've never used a 5D IV, and so I don't miss the joystick I've never had. I once asked here how might I demonstrate the "horrid" DR of the 6D2 that them interwebs have been all abuzz about, and people told me not to bother. My first photo excursion with it included shots and video of a Chinese lantern exhibit at night. I used auto exposure, and everything turned out great. I used the 24-105mm STM lens that I got with it, and autofocus in tricky situations was amazingly fast and accurate. So far I've not wanted something in the extreme edges of the frame in focus with everything else out, so the AF distribution has not been a problem. I haven't tried shooting a landscape at ISO 100, and I don't underexpose by three stops and expect to bring out detail in the spider webs in dark corners. I hear you need a Sony for that.

I do miss a tilt screen on my 5D MK IV, when I have time to setup fore something like the eclipse, I use the camera on a tripod with my geared head, and link the wi-fi to my phone or tablet which is even better than the screen because I can move around and have freedom to close the shutter when I'm ready, adjust exposures, etc. But when I'm holding the camera, thats impractical. I prefer my SL2 for hand held macro shots using the flip out screen and the DPAF.

 

[Jack Douglas]

All of these modern cameras are awesome. As long as it has the features YOU NEED to capture your vision you won’t be held back. I personally consider the back thumb stick a necessary feature. I’ve gone from a 7D to a 5DII to a 7DII to a 5DIV, and just can’t shoot without it.

Funny, how times have changed. It's no longer the best camera but as mentioned, best for your needs. The compromises drive some of us crazy - I never got over choosing the 1DX2 for all the things I wanted/liked but having to give up on the resolution I wanted/needed that the 5D4 offered. I'd love to have the articulating screen but wouldn't use it too much, and so it goes. For now I'm content to wait for my second camera and am loving the one I have and why shouldn't I. Pinch, pinch.

Canon should offer a designer camera where you request all the features and they deliver it to your door!

Jack

 

[3kramd5]

All of these modern cameras are awesome. As long as it has the features YOU NEED to capture your vision you won’t be held back. I personally consider the back thumb stick a necessary feature. I’ve gone from a 7D to a 5DII to a 7DII to a 5DIV, and just can’t shoot without it.

Funny, how times have changed. It's no longer the best camera but as mentioned, best for your needs. The compromises drive some of us crazy - I never got over choosing the 1DX2 for all the things I wanted/liked but having to give up on the resolution I wanted/needed that the 5D4 offered. I'd love to have the articulating screen but wouldn't use it too much, and so it goes. For now I'm content to wait for my second camera and am loving the one I have and why shouldn't I. Pinch, pinch.

Canon should offer a designer camera where you request all the features and they deliver it to your door!

Jack

Haha I can see it now! “For immediate release, Canon has announced a custom camera design service. Starting at only $3,000,000USD*, you can specify personalized features to have engineered your ultimate camera - literally the last camera you’ll ever need.




*Custom sensor fab not included

 

[Talys]

literally the last camera you’ll ever need.

LOL... Famous last words ;D

 

[jeffa4444]

Owning both the 5DS and a 6D MKII plus able to use work 5D MKIV my biggest frustration when going back to the 6D MKII is the D pad as opposed to the joystick for moving AF points in portraiture. Its much faster on the 5DS and 5D MKIV.
For landscape work I do find the articulating screen useful and the slightly lower weight of the body and in the most part the IQ is not an issue. the 5D MKIV is a better low light camera than either the 5DS or the 6D MKII and with a better spread of AF points something Canon compromised deliberately on the 6D MKII (contrary to what some may say its useful having a wider spread of AF points even when shooting landscape).

All that said the 6D MKII for its price against the 5D MKIV is a great camera and if its your only camera it will do everything asked of it without being special in any of them.

 

[Mikehit]

the 5D MKIV is a better low light camera than either the 5DS or the 6D MKII and with a better spread of AF points something Canon compromised deliberately on the 6D MKII (contrary to what some may say its useful having a wider spread of AF points even when shooting landscape).

The AF coverage of the 6D2 when using the OVF is not too far from the coverage in the 5D4 - not so much different that for landscapes will make a significant difference. If you are using LiveView you should be able to use touch focus on over 80% (linear dimension) of the LCD which is even better.

 

[Don Haines]

To my mind, the two big trade-offs are the AF system and the articulated screen. It would be nice to have both, but.......

The AF point spread on the 5D4 is slightly better, but not enough to make a difference. The AF system has more points, it is more customizable, and the joystick is better than the pad for moving between the points.... this is great if you are after birds in flight, but if not, does it really make a difference if you are not using it?

The articulated screen is fantastic for tight or awkward spots. The touchscreen interface is fantastic, probably the best touchscreen interface on the market (Canon usually gets ergonomics right). The liveview and touchscreen is also great for selecting focus in video, but once again, it is a great feature only if you use it.....

It's your choice, and based on your preferences and usage patterns..... but you can't really go wrong with either one.

 

[Talys]

To my mind, the two big trade-offs are the AF system and the articulated screen. It would be nice to have both, but.......

The AF point spread on the 5D4 is slightly better, but not enough to make a difference. The AF system has more points, it is more customizable, and the joystick is better than the pad for moving between the points.... this is great if you are after birds in flight, but if not, does it really make a difference if you are not using it?

I find that the only AF points that would matter to me in 5DIV vs 6D2 are the ones slightly higher, right and left of the center zone, basically to AF on eyes, whether it's a human, animal or wildlife. But it's very rare, and usually either taking a step back or zooming out a tiny bit will do the trick just as well.

The joystick or AF points are not useful for birds in flight, in my opinion, nor is iTTR, which is not in the 6DII. However, I think the 5DIV's autofocus is a little faster, as using center point only, I was getting slightly higher keeper rates as compared to 6D2, at the same spot. But because I only had the camera for a few hours, it could just be statistical noise. Still, it felt a little faster using the 100-400LII, but that could be a placebo

In my opinion, for birds in flight, the Center Expanding AF (where it AF in the center, and then expands to the adjacent points if it doesn't find anything) is the one feature I would miss. However, when I was using the 5D4, and the Sony A7R3, which has the same feature, this causes as many problems as it fixes when the bird is against a busy background, or over water, because the camera will sometimes AF on something other than the bird.

For handheld bird portraits, the joystick is nice to move the AF point in the VF to exactly where I want it. But often, if I have the luxury and a monopod or tripod, I will go to live view and magnify anyways, then use MF, to make sure I'm focusing on the exact spot I want (as bird's eye versus bird's belly is a big difference ) In this case, the articulating screen is nice, because you can fold it to avoid the glare of the sun, because often the sun will be behind you, and the live view screen will be very hard to see.

 

[tomscott]

You can easily get around the 6DMKII not having the joystick by using the top selector wheel and selector wheel around the joystick its a bit disjointed to start with but you quickly get used to it and its far far quicker I now use this on all my canon cameras.

 

[Ozarker]

Funny. The OP committed a hit and run. Now we're talking about joysticks. We've been had! ;D