Yongnuo's 600-exrt compatinle transmitter!

[FEBS]

No no Fake. It's out. And price is very good. Just a pitty that I ordered there a few days ago some more flashes. Will be on my whish list, right now.

Price is 145,99$. Shipment free, and I ordered over there allready several times my Yongnuo stuff.

http://yn.eachshot.com/product/yongnuo-speedlite-wireless-transmitter-yn-e3-rt-for-canon-cameras-as-st-e3-rt/

And look at this: "The transmitter also has dust and water resistance equivalent to EOS-1D series cameras"

Great stuff that Yongnuo.


François

 

[Marsu42]

Price is 145,99$. Shipment free, and I ordered over there allready several times my Yongnuo stuff.

Wow, that's really great - I could still stay I'd like it to be in camera and for $150 they still make a very nice profit if you just consider the bare parts (but of course they have to develop the thing) - but I'm so spoiled by Canon prices I'm sure to order it, never to look at an ettl cable again

I'll wait for the first (user) reviews just to make sure there are no strings attached, even though it has an usb update feature to fix software problems - but it's the first hardware revisions after all.

My guess is that they won't be able to deliver enough right now as it beats the Canon part in specs and has the af assist which I find to be important to speed up af, even though the 6d focuses in near darkness ... sooner or later.

 

[AvTvM]

FANTASTIC news!
Group mode with pre-2012 Canon cameras ... YES Sir! Thanks to Yongnuo from all those 7D and 5D II owners! 8)

NExt up is the Yongnuo 600EX-RT speedlite and after that they hopefully go and make a dirt-cheap, 50 bucks a piece RT-trigger/receiver to integrate my existing and paid-for Canon 580EX/II and 430 EX/II speedlites [plus compatible speedlites] into a radio-wireless-controllled multi-flash ETTL setup.

This will really kick Canon in the butt and in the head. So well deserved! 8)

Also nice is the USB port on these Yongnuo devices (as opposed to the "original" products) so Canon cannot easily put Yongnuo gear out of business via secret changes in their secret proprietary communication protocol/firmware. At least not for very long. Brilliant! 8)

 

[Loswr]

Personally, I have not missed an AF assist lamp on my ST-E3-RT. It does come in handy occasionally on my 600EX-RT. But if I'm using the remote transmitter, it's either because I've gone through the effort of setting up off-camera lighting (portraits, etc.), in which case I'm in a reasonably well lit space, or it's a situation where the AF assist would be useless anyway (e.g., shooting birds with a Better Beamer and a 600mm lens). I have found that the unassisted AF performance of the 1D X is sufficient in any situation where I would not absolutely require flash, and even many situations where I did need flash, but chose not to use it, e.g. shooting at -2 to -3 EV (which I did this past Halloween – shots at 1/15 s, f/2.8, ISO 51200 or 102400 were barely usable from an IQ standpoint, but the autofocus worked, even a little beyond spec).

Aside from that, mainly this is trading a cheaper cost for potential issues with reliability and compatibility (at least, temporarily) down the line. While that is certainly a worthwhile tradeoff for some, it's not for everyone.

OTOH, if Yongnuo comes out with a remote receiver that's compatible with Canon's -RT system and allows one to connect non-RT flash via hotshoe and/or a monolight via PC connection, that would be awesome! I would definitely order one (unless Canon brings theirs out first). As I've said before, I suspect Canon has such a product already developed and ready to go (although perhaps without a PC port), they are just holding release to avoid clobbering sales of the 600EX-RT and the likely-soon-to-be-released 4x0EX-RT.

This will really kick Canon in the butt and in the head. So well deserved!

So first, you say that Canon sucks because they don't innovate. Now, you're praising a third party company for copying Canon's innovation. Do you wonder why people think you're a troll?

 

[WPJ]

OTOH, if Yongnuo comes out with a remote receiver that's compatible with Canon's -RT system and allows one to connect non-RT flash via hotshoe and/or a monolight via PC connection, that would be awesome! I would definitely order one (unless Canon brings theirs out first). As I've said before, I suspect Canon has such a product already developed and ready to go (although perhaps without a PC port), they are just holding release to avoid clobbering sales of the 600EX-RT and the likely-soon-to-be-released 4x0EX-RT.

This is what's missing, additionally is someone would add a interval timer to the system with remote camera shutter release that would be a kick ass system.

Also add in to each flash a repeater and you could flash stuff miles way...hahhha

 

[privatebydesign]

I have an ST-E3-RT, but I have ordered a YN-E3-RT because, for me, Gr Mode in pre 2012 cameras is huge. Absolutely HUGE. This takes upgrading the 1Ds MkIII's even further into the future.

If ML wrote firmware for the 1Ds MkIII to give it dual sensitivity for better iso performance I might never upgrade

Interesting that the micro USB in the Youngnuo replaces the stereo socket in the Canon, that means the Canon SR-N3 will not work in the YN, but it looks like the Yongnuo comes with two trigger cables, a Canon $50 option!

 

[Marsu42]

Interesting that the micro USB in the Youngnuo replaces the stereo socket in the Canon

This is my one worry: I hope it's sealed, a bit, somehow, at least for light rain & snow because the transmitter on top of the camera is very exposed. If not, I'll have to design a home-made plastic cover for it, fortunately this shouldn't be a problem with the radio signals.

Interesting that the micro USB in the Youngnuo replaces the stereo socket in the Canon

This is what's missing, additionally is someone would add a interval timer to the system with remote camera shutter release that would be a kick ass system.

But you can trigger the camera with the rt flashes (though I didn't try it yet)? For invervalometer use Magic Lantern, yes, I know it's currently in alpha/beta for newer cameras.

 

[AvTvM]

So first, you say that Canon sucks because they don't innovate. Now, you're praising a third party company for copying Canon's innovation. Do you wonder why people think you're a troll?

Canon sucks ... both, lack of innovation and even when they eventually innovate.. they're not making it available to their customer base quickly and in one go. But rather over a long period in ever so small incremental steps. Even when it is something as simple as e.g. Auto-ISO functionality. Or a radio-wireless flash trigger.

So, some Chinese company has to step in, reverse-engineer the Canon innovation (presumably no "rocket science" involved) and bring a product with improved and additional features over the original Canon product. At a significantly lower price.

If Canon would be "innovative" ... it would not take a Yongnuo to bring Canon customers

• Group mode on pre 2012 Canon cameras
• no (possible) hit to X-Sync for pre-2012 Canon cameras
• 2nd curtain sync over radio (though only in manual mode)
• AF assist light
• USB-port for easy firmware updates

Only feature missing in my book of desired flash functionality is direct control over zoom-reflector on radio-remote-controlled speedlites.

If Canon was innovative, they would already long ago have re-done their pre-historic and limiting wireless ETTL-protocol which inhibits 2nd curtain sync (and probably also contributes to HSS limitations). And they would be making and selling 430EX-RTs and EX-RT-receivers like hotcakes, even at inflated prices.

But they have again fallen asleep on the wheel and are being passed left and right by Chinese copycat companies like Yongnuo, Phottix, Pixel King ...

It is obvious, that Canon has become rather un-innovative, unwilling and unable to bring (even mildly) innovative products to market quickly. Not even when it would give them a strong USP, make their entire eco-system more attractive and deliver a lot of value to millions of (dearly) paying clients.

 

[cayenne]

No no Fake. It's out. And price is very good. Just a pitty that I ordered there a few days ago some more flashes. Will be on my whish list, right now.

Price is 145,99$. Shipment free, and I ordered over there allready several times my Yongnuo stuff.

http://yn.eachshot.com/product/yongnuo-speedlite-wireless-transmitter-yn-e3-rt-for-canon-cameras-as-st-e3-rt/

And look at this: "The transmitter also has dust and water resistance equivalent to EOS-1D series cameras"

Great stuff that Yongnuo.


François

Please, report back with a review as soon as you get this in and have a chance to run it through its paces!!!



Thanks in advance,

cayenne

 

[Marsu42]

with improved and additional features over the Canon original.

Admittedly, Canon missed the af assist on the st-e3, I remember even hardcore Canon enthusiasts wondering about it - maybe Canon wanted people to buy a full 600rt if they require it.

And manage to sell it at significantly lower prices.

... because they didn't have to develop, but just copy it and can just take the cream off the cake.

Group mode on pre 2012 Canon cameras

Let's wait and see if there is a catch because the guess about the problem with pre-2012 cameras is that they cannot compute 5x ettl pre-flashes in quick succession, so the Yn trigger might only work in flash M mode for some.

no (possible) hit to X-Sync for pre-2012 Canon cameras

Did they really write that - meaning you can return your Yn trigger if you see a flash bar on some pictures on older models like the 1d3?

My guess is that the probability of Yn failing with max. x-sync is about the same as Canon on older cameras, but Canon is professional enough to be on the safe side and tell people - and of course they want to sell their 2012 camera models. On newer cameras (60d, 5d2) rt seems to work @ max. x-sync just fine even with Canon.

USB-port for easy firmware updates

Well, now, Canon doesn't need that, do they ? ... it's just to prevent Yn being screwed with the next Canon camera fw update.

2nd curtain sync over radio
Only feature thing missing is direct control over zoom-reflector on radio-remote-controlled speedlites.

I second that they missed these, I wished they'd added a ettl-3 including this feature on the 600rt. Obviously Canon didn't think there is a wider need for it, or they simple wanted to save r&d money.

If Canon was innovative [...] And they would be selling 430EX-RTs and EX-RT-receivers like hotcakes - even at at inflated prices.

That wouldn't be innovative because there is no innovation about a 440ex-rt or a trigger, it's just bad business to do it needlessly if people currently buy 600rt flashes instead.

Rather than fall asleep on the wheel and be overtaken by any Chinese copycat comapny (Yongnuo, Phottix, Pixel King ... ).

But they aren't overtaken, the Yn triggers is just released, and their 600rt clone isn't. Canon has ample time to do something about it: st-e4, 440ex-rt, 610ex-rt, who knows. They might be conservative, but they aren't dumb and know the market.

 

[WPJ]

Interesting that the micro USB in the Youngnuo replaces the stereo socket in the Canon

This is my one worry: I hope it's sealed, a bit, somehow, at least for light rain & snow because the transmitter on top of the camera is very exposed. If not, I'll have to design a home-made plastic cover for it, fortunately this shouldn't be a problem with the radio signals.

Interesting that the micro USB in the Youngnuo replaces the stereo socket in the Canon

This is what's missing, additionally is someone would add a interval timer to the system with remote camera shutter release that would be a kick ass system.

But you can trigger the camera with the rt flashes (though I didn't try it yet)? For invervalometer use Magic Lantern, yes, I know it's currently in alpha/beta for newer cameras.

But I don't need a 500$ remote . trigger, give me that for 50/100$

 

[Marsu42]

But I don't need a 500$ remote.

Are you sure Canon is the best brand for you ?

I assumed you already have a rt system, thus the trigger cost actually is zero because it's built-in.

 

[WPJ]

But I don't need a 500$ remote.

Are you sure Canon is the best brand for you ?

I assumed you already have a rt system, thus the trigger cost actually is zero because it's built-in.

But you waste a flash to be a trigger, so you need another flash still so its not a free trigger...

 

[Marsu42]

But you waste a flash to be a trigger, so you need another flash still so its not a free trigger...

Hmmyes, the occasions when I could think of using this feature would include me hand-holding the flash, but you're correct, it's not the most flexible solution.

 

[privatebydesign]

I am sure the USB port is as weatherproof as the stereo socket on the Canon one, ie it has a rubber plug.

When I get mine I will test it for several things,
[list type=decimal]
[*]That Gr Mode works in all five groups with five different flashes.
[*]What shutter speed and aperture I get shutter shadows.
[*]Second curtain sync capabilities, stated as M mode only but with how many groups etc.
[*]Remote sync works, I use this feature a fair bit and want it to continue as I am used to.
[*]Compatibility with two cameras (one with YN and one with ST or 600) and shared remote flashes
[/list]

I am never an early adopter, but I have been looking forwards to this prematurely announced product for some time, if it lives up to the pre-press I will be very happy, I might even sell my ST-E3-RT and SR-N3, though I doubt it.

 

[AvTvM]

But I don't need a 500$ remote.

Are you sure Canon is the best brand for you ?
I assumed you already have a rt system, thus the trigger cost actually is zero because it's built-in.

Yep, that's just another blatant example of marketing crippling by canon. 600ex-rt can remote trigger cameras, ST-E3-RT cannot.

Proof? The yongnuo ST-E3 apparently works as remote trigger.

Remote shutter release, Linked Shot (Need extra shutter cable for cameras released before 2012)

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-e3-rt-features/

 

[privatebydesign]

But I don't need a 500$ remote.

Are you sure Canon is the best brand for you ?
I assumed you already have a rt system, thus the trigger cost actually is zero because it's built-in.

Yep, that's just another blatant example of marketing crippling by canon. 600ex-rt can remote trigger cameras, ST-E3-RT cannot.

Proof? The yongnuo ST-E3 apparently works as remote trigger.

Remote shutter release, Linked Shot (Need extra shutter cable for cameras released before 2012)

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-e3-rt-features/

No I think you have it wrong, the YN-E3-RT and ST-E3-RT can both be used as a receiver for remote shooting, but you can't use either as a trigger, that is certainly how the ST-E3-RT works, you need to use a 600 as the trigger, though another 600 can also be a receiver. The ST-E3-RT does not have the REL (release) option on the menu 2 scrolled interface, I expect the YN to be the same.

You need the cable to trigger pre 2012 cameras as they can't be triggered via the hotshoe,, just like the ST, ergo it seems the YN is the same as the ST.

 

[RLPhoto]

So first, you say that Canon sucks because they don't innovate. Now, you're praising a third party company for copying Canon's innovation. Do you wonder why people think you're a troll?

Canon sucks ... both, lack of innovation and even when they eventually innovate.. they're not making it available to their customer base quickly and in one go. But rather over a long period in ever so small incremental steps. Even when it is something as simple as e.g. Auto-ISO functionality. Or a radio-wireless flash trigger.

So, some Chinese company has to step in, reverse-engineer the Canon innovation (presumably no "rocket science" involved) and bring a product with improved and additional features over the original Canon product. At a significantly lower price.

If Canon would be "innovative" ... it would not take a Yongnuo to bring Canon customers

• Group mode on pre 2012 Canon cameras
• no (possible) hit to X-Sync for pre-2012 Canon cameras
• 2nd curtain sync over radio (though only in manual mode)
• AF assist light
• USB-port for easy firmware updates

Only feature missing in my book of desired flash functionality is direct control over zoom-reflector on radio-remote-controlled speedlites.

If Canon was innovative, they would already long ago have re-done their pre-historic and limiting wireless ETTL-protocol which inhibits 2nd curtain sync (and probably also contributes to HSS limitations). And they would be making and selling 430EX-RTs and EX-RT-receivers like hotcakes, even at inflated prices.

But they have again fallen asleep on the wheel and are being passed left and right by Chinese copycat companies like Yongnuo, Phottix, Pixel King ...

It is obvious, that Canon has become rather un-innovative, unwilling and unable to bring (even mildly) innovative products to market quickly. Not even when it would give them a strong USP, make their entire eco-system more attractive and deliver a lot of value to millions of (dearly) paying clients.

Haha. That's funny. Canon 600rts are one of the main reasons I didn't jump to Nikon. It seems canon knows what will sell to practical users. :

 

[AvTvM]

No I think you have it wrong, the YN-E3-RT and ST-E3-RT can both be used as a receiver for remote shooting, but you can't use either as a trigger, that is certainly how the ST-E3-RT works, you need to use a 600 as the trigger, though another 600 can also be a receiver. The ST-E3-RT does not have the REL (release) option on the menu 2 scrolled interface, I expect the YN to be the same.

You need the cable to trigger pre 2012 cameras as they can't be triggered via the hotshoe,, just like the ST, ergo it seems the YN is the same as the ST.

ok - you're probably right, thanks.

Still a rather strange limitation if only the speedlite can be used as active remote trigger, but not the smaller, cheaper controller unit.

 

[privatebydesign]

I agree it is a strange limitation, and one I was surprised to learn after buying an ST-E3-RT. Although it doesn't impact the way I use it I can imagine scenarios where I'd rather have the ST-E3-RT as the hand held trigger.