Northlight has uncovered a USPTO patent that showcases various optical formulas for apodization lenses. It appears one of the embodiments fits the recently announced Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L DS USM.
Other embodiments in this patent include:
We don’t doubt that an L 35mm lens is coming sooner or later for the RF mount.
(I don't need this lens to be aposdistized, but) YES PLEASE! And please let it be pancake-ish. I will buy it instantly. Would love something matching a good selfie focal length
If by pancake you mean you'd accept a 2.8, I can't quite go there. I don't want a fixed lens that is strictly less capable than the "trinity" zooms: same aperture but no zoom, say. I want a fixed lens that actually does something the zooms don't. I want at least 1 extra stop out of it, if not a bit more.
I second that! It doesn't have to do tricks either; no macro necessary, or apodisation. Just small and sharp. Leica has been making tiny, fast 28s and such for their 'mirror-less' M series for decades!
Uh.. a 28 pancake will absolutely do what a 28-70 f2 or 24-70 can’t do, be small, light and cheap...
Looking at the EF primes Canon released over the past decade, I would be surprised if Canon released pancake lenses.
Canon will release whatever glass can reel EF-S and/or EF folks into the new R system. They are going to surprise and sweet talk folks that are after exotic glass, quality glass, small formfactor glass and the glass that does not exist outside of the Canon’s realm.
I don't think they waited 20 years to make pancakes because of some overarching strategy, but simply because people weren't talking about them. I think they're still a topic of interest, which makes it likely they'll make them.
I don't think these Leica M comparisons are valid at all. They will make an autofocusing 28mm f/2 Summicron-SL for the L-system, and just look at the size of that one (before we even get to the price)
As much as I like my Leica 35/1.4ASPH on the R, I agree we can't expect an AF lens that small and I'm sure Canon won't make MF lenses. I guess it's academic though: I can just use Leica M lenses now; that suits my needs fine.
My happy lens would be the size of the EF 35/2 (43mm thick) or 50/1.8 (39mm), or just a bit shorter. The right-hand grip already stands out 35mm or so, so a lens up to 35mm makes the camera with lens mounted no thicker/deeper than it is already. This is achievable for the R mount.
The Canon M system is doing that job. However, people who use the big Canon bodies use them for more than one thing. I'm happy to use monster lenses for most work. Some work needs smaller lenses though, and I'd like to have my R with me everywhere just like I had my EOS M with me everywhere (and Contax G2, and Yashica T5 before that).
Well first, the EF 24mm f/2.8 pancake IS as small as the EF 40mm f/2.8, so the lens clearly can be made that small. Secondly, that 24mm is a retro-focus design and a recomputation for a rangefinder/mirrorless would be even smaller. A 28mm would be in between the size of these two lenses but closer to the 24mm.
That pancake is not a FF lens, so it is an invalid comparison as well (or you are mixing it with a different lens which is much bigger), one does not simply enlarge the image circle (insert meme here). And the 35mm lens is already done, there won't be another smaller one, a 50/1.8 IS is probably coming, but it won't be any smaller or lighter. So a tiny lens faster than f/2.8, is an unrealistic expectation (as usual)
Yeah I'd forgotten about autofocus and IS… Their new APO-Summicron-SL 35mm F2 ASPH looks like a telescope!
As I wrote, they could probably make a lens that is somewhat bigger than a Sony 28/2 to incorporate a control ring as well, but it wouldn't be as cheap as the Sony and that's not their priority anyway, when there are so many zooms and high-end primes are still to come.
Its small size is what it brings! I agree 2.8 isn't great, but a tiny lens is essential if you're doing street photography and don't want to draw attention to yourself. A tiny lens really doesn't look as 'threatening' or invasive to people as a 24-70 f2.8 does.
again, I said, "if you have the f/2.8 zooms with you." While I agree for street photog, a 35/2 or 50/1.8 would probably be no more imposing.
Thanks, I didn't realize the 24mm was EF-S, my bad! I don't follow the equipment market generally, just now a bit since getting the R. Forget that lens then, and look at an older Leica 35/2. That amount of glass suffices for a compact 35/2, by definition! Granted you can also make bigger ones but I'm asking for a <=35mm long one. I don't think a portable lens for the R would kill the M series as the M series is still literally 1/2 or 1/3 the volume of the R.
I've already said that it has no electronics at all, all mechanical. Not just the focusing, but the aperture as well (in Canon's case, it has to jump quickly between wide-open and stepped down with every frame within a burst) and to make that with tolerances needed for good optical quality, it has to cost a lot of money, even used. It would be way more brand new, but they are considering bringing back some more old ones, so we may see how much it can really cost in this day and age.
