Magnolia: view inside of a fully open flower from more than 3 meters away.

AlanF said:

Why do you always use the Latin name? I belong to several serious bird organizations and no one ever uses the Latin even in formal occasions or mostly even knows the Latin name. The beauty of bird names is that they are often descriptive of the bird, and easy to remember and discuss in conversation or writing. This bird is a Bluethroat, and it is obvious to anyone what it is and everyone can remember what name it has. OK, a German speaker, for example, will use the German in Germany but do they know or use the Latin name when speaking to each other?

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The ornithologists usually know the scientific names of the birds (for sure the names in the group of birds in which they specialize...). The problem with the common names is that they are frequently ambiguous. For one who doesn't have the English as a primary language it makes a kind of burden: So many times I have to search in the Internet via the Latin name in order to recover the common name (in English!) in my memory (old man ...). Many times the common name in English is popping up before I can recover the scientific name (go figure it )!
Never mind! Today the clouds above the mountain were looking pretty hostile and I went to my favorite Botanical garden - to check if the gardeners are still keeping the barriers around the nest of the Japanese White-eye and how the birds are doing. Surprisingly for a fraction of the second I noticed a hatched bird trying to get food from the arrived parent (I missed the exact moment!!!). It seems I (we) can see fledglings in 10-14 days!
After that White-rumped Shama and Red-whiskered Bulbul.

AlanF said:

Why do you always use the Latin name? I belong to several serious bird organizations and no one ever uses the Latin even in formal occasions or mostly even knows the Latin name. The beauty of bird names is that they are often descriptive of the bird, and easy to remember and discuss in conversation or writing. This bird is a Bluethroat, and it is obvious to anyone what it is and everyone can remember what name it has. OK, a German speaker, for example, will use the German in Germany but do they know or use the Latin name when speaking to each other?

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Caesar himself did say something in his opening paragraph about you Celts wanting everything in your own language . https://sacred-texts.com/cla/jcsr/dbg1.htm

Uneternal said:

I also dug a little around with A.I. regarding the R8 Mark II.

The patent DS126947, which is rumored to be the R8II was registered April 15, 2026. Given a standard 6-month confidentiality expiry…

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AI told you that was a camera patent? And that patents are confidential for 6 months. Lol. After AI tells you that gullible isn’t in the dictionary, you can post that here, too.

I also dug a little around with A.I. regarding the R8 Mark II.

The patent DS126947, which is rumored to be the R8II was registered April 15, 2026. Given a standard 6-month confidentiality expiry, it might point to a release date in October. Which lines up with the usual release cycles of Canon - during Summer its always quiet.
So, a few more months to wait.

Really pricy tbh!
For this price I totally want f2.8 or even better. Like a cheap version of the 28-70 2.0^^.

You guys are getting paid?!?

antonn said:

R3 + RF600/4, Luscinia svecica
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Why do you always use the Latin name? I belong to several serious bird organizations and no one ever uses the Latin even in formal occasions or mostly even knows the Latin name. The beauty of bird names is that they are often descriptive of the bird, and easy to remember and discuss in conversation or writing. This bird is a Bluethroat, and it is obvious to anyone what it is and everyone can remember what name it has. OK, a German speaker, for example, will use the German in Germany but do they know or use the Latin name when speaking to each other?

mimbu said:

You're like some sort of weird corpo shills, or bots…

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Many of us post and discuss images here. Many of us answer technical questions when they’re asked, to help other users. In my opinion, those types of posts add value to these forums. Your trolling here adds nothing of value, merely mild annoyance.

mimbu said:

...ignore reality.

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You are the expert at that around here. For example...

mimbu said:

In the mirrorless world, Sony still sells more MILCs than Canon does. It's now very close, and maybe next year Canon will overtake Sony in MILC sales, but they haven't done so yet.

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mimbu said:

Sony still sells more MILCs than Canon does.

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Rumpelstilzchen said:

Seems like Canon created a nomenclature issue for themselves. The successor to the R6 III would be the R6 IV, right? And after that? The R6.1?

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Way back in the day the D60 (2002) and 60D (2010) caused confusion too. Even today it causes confusion, many people have no idea the D60 existed and assume you mean the 60D.

mimbu said:

STM is the cheapest, slowest, and most mechanical form of AF that is used in MILC lenses today. It's what Viltrox puts in their cheapest lenses, and it's what should be expected in lenses that cost up to $200 or $300. The amazing Viltrox 14/4 that I own (paid $160 for it brand new) has STM. And that's fine, it's a $160 lens. But a $2400 lens deserves a better AF system than STM.

And while you are correct that the 10-20/4L does not require a lot of movement of the focus groups, the same cannot be said for the 800/11, a $1200 lens that also uses STM for AF.

You know it's okay to call Canon out on this stuff, right? They're charging you premium prices but giving you bottom tier AF.

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Based on Google AI I would not disregard the 10-20 mm f4 lens:

The Canon RF 10-20mm f/4L IS STM is absolutely not considered poor quality. It is widely praised for its exceptional sharpness, fast and silent STM autofocus, effective image stabilization (IS), and lightweight design, making it a premier choice for architecture and landscape photographers.

neuroanatomist said:

Perhaps Sony is paying you to troll here, but I hope not – your trite, repetitive postings mean they’d be wasting their money. Sad that you apparently have no better use for your time than trolling this forum.

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I sometimes wonder if Canon pays you guys to post here. You're like some sort of weird corpo shills, or bots who have been programmed to ignore reality. It's weird, but makes me morbidly curious about how it works.

john1970 said:

I own and use the RF 10-20 mm f4 lens and the focusing performance is excellent. At those focal lengths three is very little movement in lens elements so STM makes a lot of sense.

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STM is the cheapest, slowest, and most mechanical form of AF that is used in MILC lenses today. It's what Viltrox puts in their cheapest lenses, and it's what should be expected in lenses that cost up to $200 or $300. The amazing Viltrox 14/4 that I own (paid $160 for it brand new) has STM. And that's fine, it's a $160 lens. But a $2400 lens deserves a better AF system than STM.

And while you are correct that the 10-20/4L does not require a lot of movement of the focus groups, the same cannot be said for the 800/11, a $1200 lens that also uses STM for AF.

You know it's okay to call Canon out on this stuff, right? They're charging you premium prices but giving you bottom tier AF.

Canon Rumors said:

So you've never used them. Got it.

The only company that will officially service lenses forever is Leica (I don't know about cinema lenses from the likes of panavision).

Canon serviced the EF 50 1.4 for like 30 years (and probably another 5+). They still service a bunch of other lenses released 20+ years ago. Just to let you know, USM motors fail too. Anything that moves will eventually fail.

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I've used plenty of STM lenses, including ones by Canon. I own a number of STM lenses, though I'd certainly never spend $2400 on one.

Canon services lenses that are still in production, and guarantees service & parts availability for some number of years after production ends. If the parts supply lasts longer they offer service longer. Otherwise things wrap up and no more service (or parts) available.

And yes, USM motors fail. It was a huge problem with the first gen USM "big white" super teles as well as the 50/1L and EF 85/1.2L. The lenses that had fly-by-wire AF. Just like all mirrorless lenses are. When the AF motors failed, the lenses became paperweights because that killed the MF too. We will all face the same problem in the future with every mirrorless lens.

And yes, anything that moves will eventually fail. But AF systems that are powered by electromagnets and move back and forth on smooth rails are a lot more robust than ones full of plastic gears and a screw drive. More moving parts ("anything that moves", as you said) means more things to fail.

I'm still waiting for the af improvements in the R5 mk2 mentioned about a year ago, but no one is saying anything that I can find relating to this in ages.
Do I assume that we are all now happy with the af (I'm talking still not video)?
There was quite a lot of talk about a firmware update for this I think it was about February last year.......but nothing since......

Very nice sequence.

Lovely shots, antonn. I especially like the first one.

Canon Rumors said:

Anything that moves will eventually fail.

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Relatable.

Seems like Canon created a nomenclature issue for themselves. The successor to the R6 III would be the R6 IV, right? And after that? The R6.1?

mimbu said:

So they are going to price it ~$100 above the Sony 16-35/4G PZ, a lens with six XD Linear motors in it, four for AF and two more for zooming. Canon better have upped their game as far as their PZ system goes, the PZ lenses released to date have been...underwhelming.

And ~$200 more than the 20-70/4G. This one lacks PZ but has more range. Great travel lens, pairs well with the 70-200/4G II Macro (0.5x through the full zoom range).

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Perhaps Sony is paying you to troll here, but I hope not – your trite, repetitive postings mean they’d be wasting their money. Sad that you apparently have no better use for your time than trolling this forum.

R52 + RF600/4, Sterna hirundo

R3 + RF600/4, Luscinia svecica

mimbu said:

I would certainly hope so, but Canon has put STM AF into really expensive lenses such as the $2400 RF10-20/4L or the $1900 RF7-14L. I won't be surprised if they put STM AF & PZ into this $1400 lens.

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I own and use the RF 10-20 mm f4 lens and the focusing performance is excellent. At those focal lengths three is very little movement in lens elements so STM makes a lot of sense.

Canon Rumors said:

It is not STM, and the STM motors in both those lenses are quick, quiet and they're tiny motors. Do you actually use any of the stuff you crap on?

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STM can be quick, but it is not fast. It's also a mechanical gear-driven focusing system that will fail with time. It will last the warranty period, so what does Canon care? Might even last until replacement parts are no longer available. Oh no, you have to buy a new lens. I'm sure Canon will be most distressed.

If this pic of the lens is real, the lens seems to be much smaller than the RF 24-105mm F4 L and suddenly it might be interesting to me. Maybe someone meant the new lens is more like the RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 in terms of size?