Uneternal said:

Y'all are probably unaware that Canon's design is based on concepts from the (back then) very famous designer Luigi Colani who also happened to design race cars, furniture, household items etc.
While those retro inspired cameras are just that: Boxes with rationalist 70s industrial design. Essentially, bricks with buttons.

So it's kinda ironic you think the latter one is the pinnacle of design when in reality, it's modern Canon cameras who are actually based on a real designer's craftsmanship.

Concept design for Canon:

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It's a good point. Little different from any other conservative vs liberal opinion. Either choice can be acceptable or unacceptable depending on one's frame of mind.

Y'all are probably unaware that Canon's design is based on concepts from the (back then) very famous designer Luigi Colani who also happened to design race cars, furniture, household items etc.
While those retro inspired cameras are just that: Boxes with rationalist 70s industrial design. Essentially, bricks with buttons.

So it's kinda ironic you think the latter one is the pinnacle of design when in reality, it's modern Canon cameras who are actually based on a real designer's craftsmanship.

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I don't expect gear-heads to even vaguely understand what he is saying. Not that I agree with everything in the article at all, but when it comes to aesthetics, some people do care - and care very much. If you don't understand how modern society has lost something important when craftsmanship and artistic sensibilities are no longer a part of many of our products and everyday surroundings, well, then I guess the answer to make fun of, and ridicule someone who does.

roby17269 said:

But I need to see the images on a big screen to decide which ones are the best ones... so not sure that would work for me.

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It really depends on what you're shooting. I can choose to shoot 1 frame or 40fps. If I shoot 40fps and pick the "winner" right away and delete the rest then I probably end up with a better pick than if I just shoot a random 1 frame or shoot 3fps. I totally understand what you're saying because for a long time I also resisted to shoot more fps.
It's really easy to check the pics (usually it's just about choosing the right moment and you see it even on the small LCD or in the EVF), you can even quickly check if it is in focus (the zoom button can be set so it magnifies 100% to the AF point so it is just one click).
The most dificult part is deleting the rest of the pics but if you think that you wouldn't get that perfect moment with a single frame anyways, then it's easy.
BTW, I always keep the keepers on my primary card and still leave the rest on the second card. That way I keep my primary card "tidy" but still have all the pics on the second card just in case. And yes, my second card is much larger.

Maybe it is not for you but I guess it can inspire other readers here.

Uneternal said:

Indeed. His arguments are really poor.

Commonplace?
Yeah, okay, Canon is everywhere. Canon is the Costco of cameras - not fancy, not flashy, but somehow you always walk out with exactly what you needed. Meanwhile he's over there acting like owning a retro camera with horrible ergonomics makes him a photography prophet.

Boring?
Oh please. We're talking about cameras, not race cars. What does he want, flames down the side? Racing stripes? A spoiler? "Oooh, if only my camera screamed midlife crisis like a yellow convertible. If only people would notice me in the park, taking pictures of a dead bird next to an old can of Pabst and calling it art."

Ugly?
He's roasting cameras like they’re contestants on The Bachelor. “Canon, will you accept this rose? Oh wait, no, you’re too ugly.”
Newsflash: photographers care about images, not whether their camera could win Miss Photogenic 2025.

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Article is silly but both of you are projecting your personal preferences as stuff every photographer has to subscribe to.

I bought a silver top a7CII in large part because I wanted a camera body that looked good and was a little different, even if it meant sacrificing function for style. I would get an RE-1 or whatever it ends up being called over an R6 III for the same money for the same reasons. But I also won't say that everyone else needs to do the same.

Fstoppers is chock full of silly click bait and while I wont tell anyone else what to do it's not a place I personally see value in visiting.

snapshot said:

i agree, my EF lenses are still very useful. In fact, i use them frequently with the VND adapter. (Huge reason to choose EF on RF). I am not sure that lenses will outlast cameras for very much longer though. most of my camera purchases have been attempts to gain some function and allow me to get the pictures i want more reliably. I have yet to wear out a camera (I have dropped some point and shoots in the sand). they day is coming when I wont see value in a new camera. For a lot of folks, that day may already have come.

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Not sure that wearing the camera is the right word, but with new features, 4-6 years in camera "cycle" brings HUGE evolution steps, while lenses tends to taek much longer to make such huge lhow cameras bodies evolved since while the RF 28-70 still eap. the RF 28-70 F2 was introduced with the first RF camera, while the 28-70F2 still didn't get mark-II

masterpix said:

It all comes to "brand", as today, both cameras are very good, and the diffrerences are small to non exist. What matters is the glass you have and your creativity. Once you ahve glass of one brain you are not likely to change brand cause glass last much longer than the camera body. For instance, I still use EF glass on RF camera.

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i agree, my EF lenses are still very useful. In fact, i use them frequently with the VND adapter. (Huge reason to choose EF on RF). I am not sure that lenses will outlast cameras for very much longer though. most of my camera purchases have been attempts to gain some function and allow me to get the pictures i want more reliably. I have yet to wear out a camera (I have dropped some point and shoots in the sand). they day is coming when I wont see value in a new camera. For a lot of folks, that day may already have come.

Nice shots, Nemorino. I especially like the composition of the first one.

EOS 4 Life said:

I am not sure how Canon or Sony would even know what the other was going to come out with.
Each camera was a reasonable upgrade.
The only advantage that Sony had is that they knew the Canon price ahead of setting theirs.

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And Sony still priced the A7V $100 (USD) above the Canon R6 III. That's with less features, no Open Gate, etc. Sony are asking customers, especially new ones, to take a closer look at Canon. This is all good for Canon.

It might just affect camera-lens comms, I don't know. But it certainly stopped the IBIS working on my 50 Art with the R5ii and disabling it brought the IBIS back to life...

Jon741 said:

I believe the default is to have FTM not enabled, so if you didn't change it you wouldn't have seen it...

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The focus ring is mechanical on all four lenses, not electronic, so the availability of full-time manual focus can't be changed via software parameters.

PinholeR5 said:

I've come close to getting a GFX 100s (II) a few times. But haven't yet because of the difficulty of having two systems.

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Running two systems does have it's challenges. Mainly having to deal with more bags, managing two different sets of chargers and batteries and obviously there's the financial aspect of it.

For me, it's worth the effort. I really could not be happier with GFX when it comes to architecture, landscape and product shots - and that's exactly why I bought it. For everything else I still need my Canon R5 and R5II and again - could not be happier with it when it comes to action, sports, tracking animals and people etc. Unfortunately, I've come to the stage in my career where I was felt it's time to make the next step and Canon didn't have what I needed. Once the R1 came out, I knew I would be getting the GFX.

It all comes to "brand", as today, both cameras are very good, and the diffrerences are small to non exist. What matters is the glass you have and your creativity. Once you ahve glass of one brain you are not likely to change brand cause glass last much longer than the camera body. For instance, I still use EF glass on RF camera.

CJaurelius said:

The Z9 is essential a Z8 in a larger body. They are both direct competitors to the R5mii. If you want the larger body on the R5mii then just add the battery grip. All three of these cameras are 45MP.

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Disagree with you here: for me there is a value in a gripped body, so Z9 and Z8 are not the same camera, albeit I agree that Nikon differentiates those much less than Canon

CJaurelius said:

I don't see this as the case for resolution. 8k tv sales peaked in 2022 and have declined ever since leading companies like Sony exited the market. 12K cameras are used in high end filmaking in order to be able to stablize and reframe the content later. Again you can buy an SSC Tuatara that is street legal and goes 295 mph. But this is an incredibly niche market, as will anything more than 8k will likely be.

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Luxury and professional are different types of market. In any case whether you see the need for > 4K or not is immaterial: 12K / 8K may be limited to big Hollywood productions right now, but they will eventually trickle down. It took time for 4K to become mainstream. But 4K was a reality for professional production while we all were watching TV on 720p screens

CJaurelius said:

The human eye can only see so much detail. It's hard to commoditize something you cant see or use, which is exactly why companies like Sony stopped making 8k tvs. For a 75" tv you would need to be sitting 3 - 4 feet away from the tv to even be able to notice a difference. But sitting that close to that size TV would be uncomfortable. Meanwhile in the real world most people are viewing content on their 6" smartphone.

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I watch content on a 8'' (foldable) phone and Samsung just announced the trifold which will have a 10'' screen
In terms of TV size, we went from 55'' being the sweet spot to 65'' and now 77''
All these changes take time for them to go from high-end to consumer-level, and sometimes the changes are fast and sometimes they are slow. And a specific change may depend on many others to happen (e.g. powerful enough computers becoming mainstream for image / video processing).
While we don't necessarily see it, a lot of advances are being pushed by AI nowadays.
But short of catastrophes, progress will progress

R5m2 + Laowa 15mm



and with MT 24 flashhead handheld

Traveler said:

Canon has a great management for that. You can map a button to “lock” and then press delete all files (except for the ones picked with “lock”) and you keep the one or two best.

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But I need to see the images on a big screen to decide which ones are the best ones... so not sure that would work for me.

Traveler said:

I didn’t mean the Sigmas are bad. I meant suitable for a person. I use the 14-35 f/4, 28-70/2.8 and 70-200 f/4 and other systems have worse variants FOR ME. I also use the 600mm f/11, also a lens that I like and don’t see in other systems.
I totally understand that other people have other preferences and therefore they choose different systems

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That's absolutely fine I am a big proponents of everyone's individual needs and wants being valid and important!
I am a self-professed prime snob so a few of the recent Sigma offerings do tickle my fancy. But again, if Canon had competing lenses, I would have no doubt about which ones I would go for... native first!

EOS 4 Life said:

Canon was #1 because the EF mount was the standard for cinema cameras with autofocus.
Now everyone has their own mirrorless mount.
Canon only has itself and whatever RED cameras are still on the RF mount.
There is no foreseeable way of them getting that lens market share again.

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Are you saying that the cinema market was so big to affect those statistics? Ok sure. So what?
There is a dissonance here: I am pushing my own desires and wants, you are defending a corporate strategy. Don't think we'll ever get to an agreement

EOS 4 Life said:

DJI and Hasselblad are far from open.
Fuji is far more open than Hasselblad if that is your goal.

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Unless you're talking Inspire or bigger drones (15 grands or above), all consumer camera drones have fixed cameras. Why would they need to be open? Do you complain that phone makers do not make their phones "open"?
You can adapt some lenses to HC. And I use medium format for very specific use cases and the lenses available are ok - and I much prefer Hassy's color science to Fuji's (not dissing Fuji: I like a lot of what they are doing in MF). I use RF for a much wider variety of use cases and therefore I want a much larger variety of lenses.

In any case why would those matter about the discussion about the openness of Canon's RF? Other systems being more or less open does not affect my desire for a 35 1.2 (e.g.) on RF.

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Indeed. His arguments are really poor.

Commonplace?
Yeah, okay, Canon is everywhere. Canon is the Costco of cameras - not fancy, not flashy, but somehow you always walk out with exactly what you needed. Meanwhile he's over there acting like owning a retro camera with horrible ergonomics makes him a photography prophet.

Boring?
Oh please. We're talking about cameras, not race cars. What does he want, flames down the side? Racing stripes? A spoiler? "Oooh, if only my camera screamed midlife crisis like a yellow convertible. If only people would notice me in the park, taking pictures of a dead bird next to an old can of Pabst and calling it art."

Ugly?
He's roasting cameras like they’re contestants on The Bachelor. “Canon, will you accept this rose? Oh wait, no, you’re too ugly.”
Newsflash: photographers care about images, not whether their camera could win Miss Photogenic 2025.

roby17269 said:

DJI got my money and Hasselblad will get my money.

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DJI and Hasselblad are far from open.
Fuji is far more open than Hasselblad if that is your goal.

Hey guys. I noticed my battery went down pretty fast but I was really digging with menus and settings. I think I’m going to have to buy a new flash. My old flash is just too hot and miss on the shoe.

I chickened out with the lens again. I just have in the back of my head my trailer for the boat needed some work in spring. They don’t make axles like they used to. My wrangler is going on 6 years now and 100k so I got to do spark plugs, belt and all the fluids in a month or so. I’m a hobbiest so I’m still gun shy. May latest cause my daughter will be back outside training 6 days a week for tennis. We are inside for winter and hot and miss outside of lessons and I don’t like to bother them during her lessons.

Bla bla bla. I know.

All I know is having updated auto focus and this whole sticking to your focus point is nuts. I sound like I’m 100years old and just saw my first cell phone. lol

roby17269 said:

The EF mount was open - kind of maybe but people could mount Sigma and other lenses on their EF DSLR cameras and that did not prevent Canon from remaining the #1 manufacturer for decades.

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Canon was #1 because the EF mount was the standard for cinema cameras with autofocus.
Now everyone has their own mirrorless mount.
Canon only has itself and whatever RED cameras are still on the RF mount.
There is no foreseeable way of them getting that lens market share again.

CJaurelius said:

They know they are only a few iterations away from making a camera that most people wont need to upgrade from and that is bad for future business.

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Not if your business is selling lenses.

John Wilde said:

The well known Sony Cripple Hammer.

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The 15 FPS limit was never an issue with people buying at this level before, since their cameras were crippled.
Now it has really come to light.
Plus, Sigma is making high-end lenses that people at the a1 and a9 level would be interested in now.

Del Paso said:

In full earnest now: What you just wrote about Sony's ergonomics is absolutely true, these cameras are only usable with baby-sized hands.

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In all honesty, I do know people with smaller hands who prefer Sony.
Although, their cameras have gotten much bigger over the years.
They are smart enough to keep making the a7C to retain those people.