Re: Here's the Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D & EF-S 18-135 IS STM

The only thing that I want is REAL 1920x1080p video. Like the lumix Gh2 sharp and clear video.

Seeing how powerful Canon DSLRs are at video compared to Nikon, I've decided that I want to take a shot at the highly popular DSLR cinematography.

The only lenses in my armory though...are kit lenses (for the win...not really)

I know that Canon offers great primes such as the 28mm f/1.8 and the 50mm f/1.8

but I want to know how well do the third party lenses (Rokinon, Sigma etc) perform for video.

Anyone here use primes as their main lenses for video (and photography as well)

just something to consider too for aussies running businesses that if you make a capital purchase over $1000 before june 30 then you have to depreciate it normally, if you make the purchase after 1 july then capital purchases up to $6500 can be written off as an immediate tax deduction.

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JustinTArthur said:

I'm new to the world of flashes and transmitters and was thinking about grabbing the 600EX for the 5D Mark III, but mainly for the AF assist light. So I wanted to ask, do 3rd parties ever produce alternate AF assist lights? I've seen a few knock-offs of the ST-E2, but couldn't tell if they had AF assist or not.

I'm assuming the Canon ST-E2 itself is not an option as the 61-point AF is bound to have points at different places from the pattern in that unit.

It's been suggested that creating a matrix of NIR LEDs will do the trick, is this comparable to a patterned beam made for the camera's AF?

Thanks!

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I'm also a novice at flash but I have a few to play with. The 600EX-RT is probably the way to go.

The Yongnuo ST-E2 is cheep and usefull on 2011 cameras.
On my 5D3 it fires prior to 1st curtain. Useless. Also it's AF assist is weak compared to the Canon flashes.
I've just tried focus into a dark room with various attachments. 5D3 w/- 24-105@105
1. 600EX shows a dense wide grid of deeep red light with reasonably quick focus. Reliable.
2. 580EXII very similar.
3. 430EX similar but weaker and slower.
4. Yongnuo has a week patern of vertical lines. I achieved focus with difficulty.

Go with the 600. Even though it is a big lump on your camera just to get a bit of light out there.
Or maybe a laser pointer or torch.

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strange, i found my yongnuo very effective for af assist in a dark room (I did have to align the head slightly with the AF points first though the verticle lines provided very snappy AF to the points i have coloured in red on the attached image

V8Beast said:

My 5D3's resolution is plenty for me, so no, I have zero interest in a mega megapixel body that costs an arm and a leg...

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...and take a lot longer in post-pro than 22Mp files. With the brilliantly specced LR4 dragging the chain in the performance department, I'd have to put my prices up to properly process a few hundred ultra-size RAW files. Not to mention pressure on current computer hardware and data storage considerations.

Still, a 40+Mp Canon will suit a lot of photographers. And may be worth considering if the price is realistic just for those special projects. In the meantime, I'm consistently stoked with 1D4 & 5D3 files.

PW

After years of running multiple cameras I've come to see it as bdunbar79 stated. In short order you will find yourself anticipating what camera lens combos will play better in different settings. Only for something to change or you to get wrong, and you'll be swapping lenses all night. I think this is more pronounced when you're running a 1.6 sensor body and FF at the same time. In one shot you'll want the most shallow DOF, then widest angle, then fps, then...I still have multiple cameras, but I consider the 5dmk3 my all-in-one.

awinphoto said:

I just hope they fix these, or make some knock off like this that actually fully functions with the 5d3... come on china, you can do it!!!

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its quite odd that it's out of sync with the flash

I havent tried using a 580 to fire remote 580's yet the yongnuo shouldnt be any different to this approach

wickidwombat said:

its strange how stuff goes for way more than it should on ebay, used

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Especially anamorph lenses - eg. ISCORAMA 50mm 2.8 Nikon mount
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=261017558052&nma=true&rt=nc&si=zDY9hqF9cJUhXCPm8HmfyBrcp0c%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_634wt_990

It'd be weird to see Apple entering a market they are subsequently squashing by producing P+S level results with their iPhones. Why have two devices when one does 95% of what you need. I could see them producing an upper level iPhone, where the iPhone 5 does normal stuff, and the slightly larger iPhone 5+ (or 5X if we want to take the Canon Rumors route) that allows you to operate it like a P+S as well.

And the iPhones already get rid of the concepts of exposure; there's no Av or Tv mode, you press a button and a picture happens. No modes, no settings, just a picture. I think they'd do very well at the low end of the market, pretty much destroy the <$200 P+S's, as they have with mp3 players.

all this debate is to save $250????.
if you have the $.. do it. If not, Move on-------

Please Canon, name it 650D not T4i!

Oh, god, if only it were f/2.0. I could replace my Canon 35 f/2 with this!

avatar13: I've had the lens since January. Yesterday I did some graduation pictures and again the color fringing is thick. I forgot to remove the filter! Next time I'll try it out without the filter.

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Bob Howland said:

So let's rephrase the OP's question for those people who own or might purchase the 5D3, as follows: Given a 5D3 price of $3500, how low would the 1Dx price have to be before you would have purchased a 1Dx instead? I own a 5D3 and my 1Dx price is $5500. Neuro's price is at or above $6800.

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$3699(CAD), hence, I own the 5D3. I don't see any need for me to buy a 1Dx.

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UK Prices 1DX £5300 5D3 £3000 BG11 £330
My 1DX price would be about £4300 hopefully before the swine squadron passes overhead

John Thomas said:

Also I do think that Foveon-like multi-layer sensors are the future. However:

1. Now, they behave poorly at high ISOs (layers response etc.). In how much amount of time do you think that they will be able to compete with Bayer on 800-6400 ISO?

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Implementing the kinds of advancements Sony has built into their Exmor sensors, implementing a BSI design (which it seems the Canon patent below DOES do), using gapless microlenses and large photosites to improve QE, etc. should all help address the green and red layer response. Intriguingly, the blue layer in Foveon is at the top, so it actually has the least noise. I think this helps lead to the perception that blues are better in Foveon-based cameras...they would certainly make for much nicer skies. Red is actually the noisiest channel in a layered design, as like red and blue in a bayer design, it needs to be amplified more due to receiving less light (and being smaller in area). Lower electronic noise would help that, though.

John Thomas said:

2. I don't know if you're aware but it seems that Canon has a better patent than Foveon & Exmor for a multi-layer sensor:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1209.0

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I do remember reading about that. I am actually glad they have a patent, and I REALLY hope they put it into use soon. That would be awesome. That patent is interesting in that it is not a gapless microlens design. Hopefully that is something they are improving, as a higher QE would help with overall IQ in a layered design. I also think that you could keep pixel sizes larger with a layered design, since you could use the full area of a bayer-style RGBG 2x2 quad for a single stack of BGR layered pixels...that would also help with QE. The BSI design of this patent is encouraging as well, as it puts the photodiode as close to the surface of the die as possible.

I am not sure how the readout wiring works. Relatively recent patents from Sigma showed some solid improvements in their column/row activate and read wiring, making it smaller, eliminating some wires allowing greater pixel area, and improved efficiency allowing faster readout. While I don't care much for Sigma's 46mp marketing (as when putting them head-to-head against bayer designs, they only offer 15mp in terms of image size), layered sensor designs do indeed have a lot more pixels for any given output size, so readout rate will suffer unless some significant improvements are made in that area. Canon did demonstrate a high-speed 120mp APS-H camera a number of years ago...if they could fold that kind of high-rate hyper-parallel readout technology into a layered CMOS design, then they could probably push total pixel counts closer to the 100mp range (which would produce about a 33mp output image.)

John Thomas said:

In fact, in order to stay on topic , this was the sensor which I've expected in 5D3/1DX. However it seems that it isn't. :'(

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I really hope Canon does something innovative with their sensor design soon. I'm pretty much in holdout mode right now. I own a 7D, and I'm happy with everything about it except IQ in some cases. Every so often I get a shot that, for an unknown reason, shows FPN right up into the midtones. Drives me crazy, although I've found ways around that in many cases due to the kind of photography I do (birds, BIF, wildlife mostly). But it just feels so WRONG that I'm encountering such a degrading artifact in my images. And for all the money I've given Canon over the last few years (to the tune of nearly $12,000), I really EXPECT them to do better if they want to keep getting my money.

John Thomas said:

3. OTOH, related to this, there are reports that 5D3 works without the AA (OLPF) filter. And I mean it works well. (No moire etc.).

Do you think that this thing really stands? An 5D3/E? An 5D3 without AA filter?

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The only cases where the AA filter was removed that I know of only removed the first half. Optical low-pass filters usually have a horizontal layer and a vertical layer, with an IR filter sandwiched between them. In the 5D III, it seems the second layer is glued to the CMOS sensor itself, so only half the OLPF was removed. That effectively reduces the anti-aliasing effect by 50%. Additionally, the cases where people described "zero moire" all seemed to be video cases. The lack of moire is more likely due to the fact that the 5D III uses 3x3 pixel binning when shooting video than the removal of the OLPF.

There is a saying in engineering... 'standard is better then the best solution'.

I would argue that things are still too fractured as it is (I have an entire bag of converters), we do not need some new 'standard' that is incompatible with the majority of connections AND offers so little additional benefit over plates with threaded nut+pin.

In general new 'standards' either need to have some massive compelling advantage over the dominant standard (such as DVD over VHS or CD over tape) or some major manufacturers agreeing to push it while killing off access to old components (BluRay).. otherwise it just gets relegated to the dustbin of history as yet another exotic dead standard that collectors love showing off but most people ignore.

awinphoto said:

bp said:

awinphoto said:

If i'm not mistaken, didn't bloom say the d800 COULDN'T be sharpened without introducing bad artifacts but the 5d3 COULD be sharpened to correct it? It may have been another video but i got from blooms video was the 5d3 had to be sharpened in post and the D800 needed a 3rd party filter and assuming you corrected for both, they both are great cameras, noise issues aside for the d800.

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I think you're remembering the CameraStore video (the 3rd in their series of 3). They did specifically say that the D800 can't be sharpened without really bringing out the artifacts. And their example shot certainly backed that up.

That said, they didn't have a pre-production Mosaic filter like Bloom did. They also weren't recording to an external, higher bitrate recorder - which was what was done in the example psolberg was referring to. They just tried sharpening the 24mb/s internally recorded D800 footage

I think it's funny how adamantly people are STILL arguing over who's dad can beat up the other guy's dad. As Bloom said, these are both GREAT cameras. Both require a fix - the D800 requires the filter if you don't want moire/aliasing - the MK3 requires sharpening in post to bring out the details. Noise in low light/high ISO on the D800 isn't fixable, but if you usually shoot in controlled conditions, and don't ever need to shoot above 3200, no worries, the D800 will be great.

The one thing Bloom didn't talk about, which I found very surprising in the CameraStore video, was the weird jumpy laggy picture when you magnify the D800 live view to check focus. In practical use, this would probably drive me more crazy than all the other gripes combined, because I use that constantly in a shoot. Then again... I'm sure you could get used to it.

I think Philip is right - they're both great cameras. If a close friend of mine buys a D800, and another buys a 5D3, I'll tell them both the exact same thing... "CONGRATS!!! Now shut up and go shoot something"

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Thanks for clarifying the video... yes i think your right. I got to say i've seen enough review/comparison videos/blogs/websites to last me a life time between these two cameras it's rolling into one big beating. I agree both are very respectable cameras and both have their strengths and weaknesses. I will say it is amazing how bloom crushes the D4 compared to both the 5d3 and the d800. Granted the d800 is slightly newer than the d4, but then again if it was canon, they may have dumbed down the d800 so it was lesser than the d4, but given the d800 and it's specs, it's video, and it's capabilities, i really would find it surprising to hear how much if any d4's nikon sells from this point forward compared to the D800.. Just like how the 5d2 crushed the 1ds3 sales.

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well don't confuse apples and oranges. the D800 is a different camera. The D4 will sell less because it is much more expensive and much more specialized and aims at the niche market that demands really fast frame rates and really high ISOs. Most people buying a D4 are buying a really fast still imaging tool and all these dslrs, including the 5DmkIII are primarily still imaging devices with video tacked on as a bonus.

so the video performance of the D4 is unlikely to impact sales since that really isn't the niche market it is going after. Even the D800 and 5DmkIII are too expensive and crippled and will be outsold by cheaper camcorders.

The magazine is pretty well respected, and all of this could be entirely plausible

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LOL not they are NOT. they are the guys that predicted the D700x, and other models that NEVER happened. NR said it best

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/06/05/nikon-d400-predictions-in-the-japanese-capa-magazine.aspx/#more-40344

these guys have NEVER been right.

Batteries in a Canon grip are used one after the other, not together. So it doesn't matter if you have one or two batteries in the grip (for fps). If they were used parallell you could pull out a higher current and lens drives and such would at least be faster, but they don't. They make you pay for the 1-series for that

wickidwombat said:

soze said:

I've got the new version. Awesome lens. Really good bang for the buck.

The old lens has a crinkled textured finish.

The new version has a smooth finish.

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i cant seem to find any with the smooth finish only crincle finish even on B &H

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There isn't a smooth-finish version on Sigma's website, either.

Soze, are you definitely referring to the 50mm f1.4? Can you post a picture of it?

I hate Sigma's crinkle finish. If they've got rid of it on this lens, I'll buy one.

There's always the option of sending it to an official Canon repair center, but I have sent a few cameras and lenses to Toshio at T F Camera Repair Service in New Jersey. He does a fantastic job with sensor cleaning, repairs, even shutter replacements for well-loved SLRs. His prices have been very fair in my experience - just the standard parts + labor..

You can Google around for T F Camera repair. You should find several sites, forum posts, etc. recommending him. Just call him to get an estimate.

I'm using both; XOskin and Acmaxx on my 5D III.

I put Acmaexx on big screen and XOskin on small screen. The thickness of Acmaxx is great for big screen, but you can feel the bump on small screen.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACMAXX-3-2-Wide-HARD-LCD-SCREEN-ARMOR-PROTECTOR-CANON-EOS-5D-Mark-3-III-Body-/230776738550?pt=Digital_Camera_Accessories&hash=item35bb5d92f6

http://xoskins.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-screen-protector?zenid=113e5cfd259b6440a226f434d9428b7b

neuroanatomist said:

Sorry, but I just don't see how that's possible. The angle of view does not change, regardless of the position of light sources or what you're shooting. By design, the lens hood does not impinge upon the area of the image circle which is sampled by the image sensor. Depending on lighting, you could be seeing a shadow from the hood that is cast upon the lens - that's the lens hood doing it's job. But if you are using the correct hood, and it is properly mounted, you will never see the lens hood in the image.

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Yeah, I figured it was a shadow. It is difficult to not correctly mount the hood as it has both a red key symbol + a red dot to show when it is locked in place properly, I did a double-take, then removed the hood and was better without

expatinasia said:

As this is a rumors forum, is nobody else curious about why two of the boxes in the OP picture have a round green sticker and the other two are just plain white (stickerless)?

Wonder what the difference is....

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The White sticker ones are the "Pre-Pre-Pre-Production" bodies, the round Green sticker are; "Pre-Pre-Production", and soon there will be 1DX boxes with a Blue sticker on them and these will be the final "Pre-Production" cameras for the Olympics and Euro 2012. Please don't ask me what color sticker the 2013 'Production' version will have on its packaging......sounds like a Monty Python sketch (eh sorry Canon)