Mt Spokane Photography said:

I am confused, are you asking about the display or the viewfinder? My viewfinder turns off when I take my eye away from it, I guess I've never timed it while looking thru it, it has never shut off while I was using it. Its set to 3 minutes and I never use it for that long. It lights up before I can get my eye in place, its almost instant, probably 1/60 of a second. I've never set it to viewfinder only so I don't know what effect that would have. I have firmware 1.4 I can set both display and viewfinder to various times or disable shutoff.

I did hold my viewfinder to my eye for about 30 seconds, no sign of it shutting off.

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Hello, I wrote through the viewfinder. the settings do have an impact. if you set the timeout to 3 minutes and then look through the viewfinder for 3 minutes without pressing any other button. then the viewfinder turns off after 3 minutes. but that was not the case before the 1.4 update. back then, the viewfinder remained active even if you had not occupied the sensor in front of the viewfinder. so you had no delay at all when you turn it on. since the viewfinder remained active. the current delay when switching on costs me a lot of time in some situations.

privatebydesign said:

I agree to an extent, amnd maybe with electronic shutters people looking at used gear need to reset any expectation of what a ‘low mileage’ camera is. But I never took shutter count to be an isolated number on wear and tear on a complete body anyway. Then again my personal vehicle is a near 400,000 mile Toyota so mileage obviously doesn’t scare me.

But surely we must agree that a camera with a lower actuation count must, in general, be ‘better’ condition than one with a higher count? Sure some users bash their gear about unmercifully, but if we agree wear and tear is more generally linear then actuation count (though it should be expected to be higher than shutter count) is an indicator of use. And if people want to buy a low use camera (for whatever reason) actuation count can help them decide.

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I think it is hard to say at this ppint. A lot if the actual wear in ILC is not tied to actuations anymore. But the Canon RF system in particular is too new to have much experience of failures.

I personally don't think 'overheating' in video will degrade the life time of the actual camera meaningfully. Mainly because for one, a lot of the heat is generated in the CF cards and also because the forced record limits exist so that damage to the camera (And the users hands) is prevented.

There are other factors in ILC that degrade with time even if no actuations occur at all. Battery is the obvious one, especially as this is drained just for operating the camera and not actually by taking the shots anymore (Making shot count per charge a wildly varying number depending on use case).

But there is also the IBIS, which we don't know anything about yet in terms of expected life time I believe. I doubt it is much of a concern given how long Canon have developed it in order for it to meet their needs. But it is a factor.

And then there is the OLED screen in the EVF, and for the R3 now there are also the infrared LEDs that illuminate the users eye. All of which has a lifetime totally independent of actuations, and in the case of the OLED screen, burn in is another concern.

So total time operated would be a good indicator for these, and as you say, it should be possible to roughly estimate that from the shot count if you know the shooting style of the previous owner.

Big_Ant_TV_Media said:

cause of folks in these FORUMS always wanting too add/fix new or current features EVERYTIME they think of something or see another camera or brand with the features they want

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Welp, that’s pure speculation at best..

Jack Douglas said:

Where I live on the prairies, the earth IS flat. Not sure what that has to do with an R7 though.

Jack

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Here in the Midwest it's flat too. In fact, it's a proven scientific fact.

Ruined said:

Knowing Canon this will be ridiculously crippled in some way, like being 10MP or the shutter button being the only physical button on the camera

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Were you naive enough to expect EOS R1 features in a $800 camera?
Knowing Canon, it will be a very usable camera, even if lacking luxury characteristics, fine for drones, as a backup in risky situations, and, of course, for beginners who want a simple, yet reliable tool.
Or do you expect a Michelin 3 star dinner in an inexpensive diner?

Click said:

Cool video. Thank for sharing.

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Puts into perspective what Canon is up against in the sub-$1,600 market.

Doormat said:

Thanks everyone for all your replies.

Yes, the M5 does indeed offer the remote port. I did consider buying but after reading many online reviews It transpired the M50 was more advanced and cheaper.

The move to the R line would seem logical progression given my current full frame set up. However as I mentioned in a previous post, it’s not the body - I imagine the R is lighter ? It’s the bigger heavier lenses I’m trying to move away from.
I suppose I’m set in my ways and miss simplicity. The cable release is as simple as it gets. I have the canon app on my phone and did play with it using 6d, but I find the need to use a second screened device a distraction and reverted back to the simple cable release.

I really like the smaller M system and love the 32mm 1.4 lens. I’m just miffed that canon removed the cable release port. Regardless of it being “ entry level”.
I will look to buying a used M5
Originally I was set on going the R route, but I want a smaller lighter system.
I did a few comparison shots using the m50 with 32mm and the 6d with 50mm
The M50 looked as good - certainly sharper. Yes, the R would be better still I’m sure, but I’m done with the heavy gear.
I use the 5diii with 100-400Lii for sons sports and love it. But it’s easy, I drive there, walk a few hundred yards and plonk myself down…easy. I wouldn’t dream of hauling that combo on a hike, hence where the M system scores.

Thanks everyone
BTW great forum

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Agreed. The M series is great on the trail. The M6II is now my hiking camera (M5, M3, and M preceeded it). Light, takes up little space, and I clip it to my pack strap with a peak design capture clip. Really love the 11-22 in this setup. Can easily throw another lens or two in the pack without really noticing it.

Alternatively, CineD got a change to interview Canon about the R5C:

AlanF said:

Maybe that's why Canon outsells Nikon big time. Nikon has some of the best camera and lens designers let down by the worst corporate side.

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After switching I can definitely say Nikon lenses and bodies feel and produce images that seem like a step up from Canon. But I could have likely said they same thing if I had taken the RF 100-500 and R5. Though then I wouldn't have a 70-200 f/2.8 that can also be a 98-280 f/4.0 with no image quality and AF speed penalty. Still I keep a toe in the door with Canon, that ImageGraph Pro 300 I got is absolutely cracking.

CanonFanBoy said:

I think some people will be very happy with the price. I see $13k for a slr based video centric camera must not have flown too well a few years back.

Edit: Hmmmm... no IBIS. That's strange, too me. I guess the video people use a gimble most of the time. Still, weird that IBIS was left out.

Does anyone else find that to be strange?

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I think it was probably an engineering necessity of some kind.

cayenne said:

Just to balance things out...
I'm still nosing around eBay to at some point by a Fed 3 or a Zorki 4....to play around with.

Often you can just buy these cheap more for the lens than anything else.

That's one thing I love about mirrorless and my M10M was my first mirrorless.....and that is, adapting lenses. I've had a ton of fun playing with old Russian glass, I love the swirls.

And as far as film I like mostly different aspect ratios you can't get with digital (without cropping)....I got a good copy of the HorizonT swing lens camera from Russia. It's the older all metal one, again, built like a tank.

Lots of fun to just carry around. I find that like with the M10M being only B&W...with film cameras with different aspect ratio sizing...I start to think about compositions differently too.

Doing these kinda makes me "see" my world a bit differently, which can't do anything but help a little.


cayenne

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I once had a Zorki 4.
The best about the camera, apart from the lens, was the owner's manual in French.
Quote: "The camera you dare not put in the side of great sun, shutter could get burning" (sic).
Nasdrowje!

unfocused said:

I don't agree. The main takeaway is that they are shuttering the plant. That means that they are permanently reducing manufacturing capacity for whatever category of products they were producing there.

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Which might be meaningless, e.g. if that category is lenses like the EF 75-300mm.

unfocused said:

They would not shut down the plant simply because they are no longer producing a specific model of lens, unless they do not anticipate producing products that are similar in manufacturing design or they expect the demand to drop so much that they can absorb future manufacturing at existing plants.

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Sure, this is a complicated question. Possibly the Chinese factory makes EF 75-300mm, and Canon can make EF-S 55-250mm in leu of it in another company. Maybe the factory makes a lens Canon makes no similar models elsewhere. Who knows?

My point is, with a shrinking market, switch to RF, existing stock, etc, the market might not miss those lower end lenses.

I assume you didn't adjust the diopter.
I've very bad for doing any Firmware updates - if its not broke etc.
It would seem strange the software would have any impact on manual focus.
Have you tried autofocus manual adjustment?

Not a professional, so you can totally ignore my comment, but I don't see anything in your photo or video needs that would require either the R5 or R5C, so I would recommend saving a few dollars and take a look at the R6. Unless you're doing wildlife, or other types of shots that need a lot of cropping, I think the R6 will be absolutely fine.

Two cameras in one!

koenkooi said:

Good quality like M6II (skipping/binning then upsample) or like 90D (proper downsample)?

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Where can i find more info about this difference? Lately i've come to realize that the 90D is far superior in the video dept than the M6ii.

privatebydesign said:

Give me an Elena Shumilova with a 5D III and an EF 135 f2 over anybody that thinks their RF 135 f1.4 is going to do anything for them any day!

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I’d suggest her PP techniques too. I’ve seen some of her shots taken on an EF 70-200 F/4 L ……

entoman said:

I'm equally lost.

WTF is a "pupil division signal"?

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Most likely a translation mistake.

SwissFrank said:

??? Canon had a 50/0.95 for its rangefinders for like 20 years at that point, and 50/0.7's existed even if in small numbers.

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I was talking about an SLR mount. Funnily enough, I used to have a 50mm .95 range finder lens for a while...a long time ago. My point was...if Canon wanted to release new exciting glass...they did it before with the EF mount and the 50mm f1.2...why couldn't Canon do the same for the RF mount? Why not a rf 35mm f1.0? Even expanding the f1.2 range would be a revolution.

Jack Douglas said:

Thanks, Alan. She likes birding but only has an R and now that you've got me thinking in this direction I started checking reviews. This one claims AF is a pain with the R but I think that's more of an indictment of the R vs. R5.

Good For Birds? Canon RF 100-400mm f5.6-8 IS USM Review

The Canon RF 100-400mm f5.6-8 IS USM lens is capable with the right camera. But it's a very odd choice overall in the system.

www.thephoblographer.com

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Yes, it’s the R. The 100-500mm has turgid AF on the R according to some reliable reviewers but stellar on the R5 and 6.

This is an awesome thread, and you guys are simply wonderful for sharing your knowledge and best practices! As some of you may know, I've been having a devil of a time trying to get my R3 to focus on a wide variety of things.

As it turns out, how we work with lines and contrast appears to matter a lot more in our R3s than I ever consciously noticed during my 1Dx years.

The following video was recently sent to me as an FYI to help with my focusing. Putting aside all the sensor talk on the pros and cons of different designs, the tip that Tony shares at the 2 minute and 20 second mark in his video is significantly helping me to attain focus. The tip to help with focusing: "just tilt the camera a little bit". That is most certainly something I never, ever, did with my 1Dx to put things into focus, but I now find myself needing to do it often with my R3.

Case in point, I just tried to photograph my diploma hanging on the wall. When my camera is horizontal, I simply cannot get my diploma to focus - using any number of focus activation techniques or button approaches. Yet, when I tipped my camera a bit, voila, it work. That's just nuts. Hope this helps you as much as it helped me. Are you guys doing camera tilts in your work to focus things?

richperson said:

This statement is not true when using a debit card. Yes, technically, they don't actually remove the money, but the bank puts a hold on the full amount so I cannot access it...

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Of course if you are a richperson then it probably doesn't matter if they put a hold on the money.

I do not understand though why anyone uses a debit card for online purchases. It seems fraught with peril to me. It's one thing to have a charge card number pilfered, but that usually results in a minor inconvenience (Calling the bank and notifying them so they can issue a new card and cancel the charges), but with a debit card it can totally screw up your checking account for weeks, plus you lose access to the card for local purchases while everything gets straightened out. Not a risk I want to take.

I just received my R3 a few days ago... I have a HUGE suggestion, and how I got mine.

Find a small camera store. In a town, and call them... even if you have to drive a few hours outside of wherever you live.

I said I wanted one, and they were able to get it in my hands in like a week and a half.

I was shocked, when I ordered it, I told them I just forgot about it because figured it wouldn't be in my hands for 6 months an they said, well since we are small we can get one in and not necessarily sell it right away because in smaller towns, more expensive cameras, stick on th shelves for longer

---Opps, rookie mistake, I originally posted my first-hand experience here, when I should have posted it elsewhere in the forum. My apologies. You can find my preliminary experiences and (first post) question to other Canon R3 users under the forum heading, "EOS R Series Camera Discussion RP, R, R5, R6"---

neuroanatomist said:

Confirm that you don't experience the back focus with the lens at f/2.8. If you do, it is likely a malfunctioning lens. The focus shift that is part of the optical design occurs only when you stop down, and generally only at macro distances. Your reference to back focused portraits makes me wonder if you simply have a bad copy of the RF 100L Macro.

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I confirm that I don't experience focus shift at f/2.8. And for the portrait remark take a look at the Dustin Abbot review when he talks of the picture he took of his cat...I experienced the same problem of focus shift at f/5.6.