EOS R first impressions - post your hands-on impressions here

Yesterday I attended a local Canon EOS R presentation.

If you are interested, here are my first impressions, I won't repeat usual things covered elsewhere. I'm heavy manual focus lenses user (Zeiss ZE serie), so I focused on some niche details. For about 3 years I use first A7 as my travel camera next to my 1DsIII and 1DIV. For small lenses I actually prefer the first generation Sony bodies, over II and III.

On the positive side:
  • I've been told (by Canon representative), that the updated firmware with Eye-AF with Servo AF and silent shutter in burst mode will be released in February 2019
  • the ergonomics of body is superb, much better than newer Sony bodies, especially with big lenses. Even with the mighty RF 1.2/50L and adapted 1.4/35L and 1.4/85L, it feels very comfortable in my hand (I'm used to 1D bodies). There is enough place too for my little finger on the body grip. There is enough space between lens and fingers too.
  • to me the body aesthetics refers to original EOS 600 series, it was even indirectly emphasized in few slides
  • there is basically no EFV blackout with silent shutter
  • the EF-R adapter is built very well, no wobbling and no play between body and lens. EF lenses feel really like native lenses.
  • control ring on adapter is really nice idea and...wait for it... INNOVATIVE ;)
  • AF with my old 1.4/35L was fast, snappy and always spot on at f/1.4, same with 1.4/85L and RF 1.2/50
  • the button customization looks endless in comparison to my 1D bodies
For MF lenses use:
  • focus peaking is much finer and looks usable even at wide apertures in comparison to Sony implementation
  • the focus assist is GENIUS! I was able to focus with Planar 1.4/85ZE wide open precisely on eye WITHOUT zooming in! And the focus was always spot on. Well I call this ...wait for it... INNOVATIVE o_O
  • it is now possible to map the zoom function to any button (it was not possible with EOS M and M3 - only via touch scrreen), I have no experience with newer Ms)
On the negative side:
  • the battery grip is ...umm... just another Canon non-1D battery grip, they could do better
  • AF point selection with thumb on touch screen doesn't work very well. It's nice with small body (I tested it on M50 at same event), but on bigger R I can't reach the display with thumb without removing my index finger from shutter button and losing grip :confused: And I don't have small hands, I'm perfectly fine with 1D bodies....
  • ^^^^Canon, can I please get the prototype where instead of the F-word touch strip is plain old joystick? The strip operation was little clumsy and I have bad feeling, that in real world use, there will be lot of accidental "touches". But it's a perfect place for joystick!
  • the On/Off only wheel on left side is little waste of space, it could do something more useful...
Neutral:
  • as I don't do VLOGging and video, I'm not sure about the swivel screen... It's nice, that it allows more angles, but for most use (shots from low perspective) the tilting screen is faster to operate and "safer" because you just "clamp" the screen back to body.
I forgot:
  • test sensor flares - this is the biggest flaw of first A7
  • try to setup AF point selection with FOCUS button tap + scroll wheels - like on my 1DIV
Well overall I'm pleased, I was looking for some time to upgrade my 1DsIII, but the 5D path was not for me, as I was spoiled by ease of use of my Zeiss ZE lenses with mirrorless A7. Looks like R will be my next camera :)
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45-200mm f/2.8 prototype from 1959 on ebay for $40k

Do you want a modern version eve if it’s 3 kg?

  • Yes, if it’s $2-$5k

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • No, too heavy

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • No, don’t need that wide range

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Shut and take my money!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

Hi Craig.

I believe this site is the best place for such a lucky finding: while looking around for a 11-24mm I stumbled upon this magnificient 3 kg beast. Canon historyans needed. C-35mount?!?

True or a scam? Best would be if anyone in Canon can confirm.

The description states:

Holy Grail even Canon Museum don’t have

Its a MUSEUM Grade ITEM, and Only a Professional Collector Deserve it.

According to research, the lens was introduced in 1959 in a press release but never released commercially by Canon,
they just produced few countable 4 to 5 copies and only Famous filmmakers are able to Test it.
There are only 2 or maybe 3 Owners Worldwide who have this lens including This Lens.
IT WAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND NEVER SOLD BEFORE IN A WHOLE EBAY SELLING HISTORY.
Three major camera makers introduced their first slrs in 1959
and each one decided to enhance their offering with a state-of-the-art zoom lens.
Voigtlander chose the Zoomar 36-82mm f/2.8. Nikon introduced their 85-250mm f/4-4.5.
Both lenses were ambitious, heavy and expensive.
Canon went for a 45-200mm f/2.8, which was extremely ambitious,
heavy and expensive-- probably too much so.

Can’t add screenshots from my iPhone, but have made many just in case the ebay offer dissapears.

Feel free to add. Or I will add here later from my computer.

Here is the link to the ebay

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/163039120661

Sigma Adds Three New Lenses to Its Cine Lens Lineup

Brand new introductions to the FF High Speed Prime Line – 28mm T1.5 FF, 40mm T1.5 FF and 105mm T1.5 FF – will be debuted at IBC2018
RONKONKOMA, N.Y., Sept. 11, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Sigma is pleased to announce the development of three new Sigma Cine lenses in the FF High Speed Prime Line: 28mm T1.5 FF, 40mm T1.5 FF and 105mm T1.5 FF. With these additions, the FF High Speed Prime Line now includes ten lenses covering 14mm to 135mm and T1.5 to T2, giving cinematographers even more options to empower their artistic expression and take their cinematic vision to the next level.
Available for test-shooting at the 2018 IBC Show in Amsterdam from September 14-18, 2018, attendees are welcome to visit the Sigma booth 12.D64 to get hands-on with the new cine lenses.


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RF Lens 'Roadmap' surfaces at PR

https://photorumors.com/2018/09/11/canon-full-frame-mirrorless-rf-lens-roadmap-eos-r/

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Apparently, this states that standard / wide / telephoto f/2.8 zooms are on the horizon without a fixed timeframe or a clear read on a commitment to IS. I don't think it would be a flying leap to presume that these are your f/2.8L zoom trinity, i.e. 16-35 / 24-70 / 70-200, but we shall see.

I'm amazed we even got this much out of Canon. Roadmaps are not what they do.

- A

Firmware: Sigma 50-100 f/1.8 Art, Sigma 100-400mm Contemporary & Sigma 150-600mm Sport & Contemporary Lenses

SIGMA 50-100mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art for SIGMA (v.1.01) and Canon

(v.2.01)This firmware corrects the phenomenon that the AF performance occasionally becomes unstable when used via SIGMA MOUNT CONVERTER MC-11.

SIGMA 100-400mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Contemporary for Canon (v.2.03)

This firmware improves the AF speed in certain combinations with some cameras.

Firmware update for SIGMA 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Sports (v.2.00) / Contemporary for Canon (v.2.00)

This firmware allows compatibility with Canon’s in-camera Lens Aberration Correction function to enable correction matching the optical characteristics of each lens*. It also corrects the phenomenon that abnormal images appear or operation errors occur when the function is enabled. This firmware also improves the AF speed in certain combinations with some cameras.


* Compatible Canon camera models: EOS-1DX Mark II, EOS 5Ds, EOS 5DsR, EOS 5D Mark IV, EOS 6D mark II, EOS 80D, EOS 8000D (EOS Rebel T6s, EOS...

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EOS R - critical first impressions re. User Interface

https://translate.google.com/transl...os-r-mein-erster-eindruck/&edit-text=&act=url

German portal operator Martin Vieten www.photoscala.de just published their first impressions on Canon EOS R [author participated in one Canon's fancy launch/promotion events].

Overall a "friendly" first impressions article. What disturbs me however are remarks on the new EOS R and RF lens user interface (hardware control points):
* control ring turns too "nervously". No dampening at all. He found it unusable and disabled it. I really thought Canon had learned its lesson after countless Powershots and early EOS M bodies with way "too loose" wheels/dials. But apparently not.
* Multifunction touch bar pretty much as useless as on Apple Macbook and too close to rear dial. All sorts of inadvertant actuations causing unwanted changes to settings
* Multi-function touch bar lock takes "1 sec press" to unlock again; unwieldy in many shooting situations
* he likes "no mode dial". But every change from e.g. AV to M or to a Custom Shooting Mode now requires a button press first and then selection via rear dial. No way to immediately see on dial currently selected mode. yes, info is also in viewfinder, on LCD and on top OLED, but still. I find it totally ... stupid asinine ... to ditch mode dial and waste that space on a simple ON/OFF switch ... in form of a dial ... on LEFT top of camera, instead of right side. duh!
* lack of AF-selector joystick (in addition to touch screen functionality)

Battery life: author got around 500 shots on a charge.

Speedbooster for the EOS-R mount?

I've benefited from a custom-made EF-M to EF speedbooster on my Canon M50. It helps negate some of the crop on 4k.

I wonder if someone (Metabones, Viltrox, the engineer in South Korea) would like to make an EF-R to EF 0.71x (or 0.64x) reducer for the EOS-R?

Admittedly that does nothing for the EF-R lenses, nor does it make the camera great value overall, but it would allow for some flexibility on the video side of things with the wide range of EF lenses available.

Read this Article about Sensor development and why canon has a hard time

https://www.foto-schuhmacher.de/artikel/hardware/sensor-dilemma.html

the article is in german but you can use google translate.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.foto-schuhmacher.de/artikel/hardware/sensor-dilemma.html

it shows why canon has a hard time competing with sony.
and why it is a business decision, not some malicious intend, why canon sticks to sensor tech longer than sony.

it looks at the past, the current situation and the future.

i think it is well worth a read.
it gives some insight why canon decided in 2016 to sell sensors to other companys and how development of smartphone sensors paved the way for sony to dominate the market for ILC senors. it also touches the dangers for other company to rely on sony sensors.
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So far so good, the Canon EOS R pleasantly surprised Jared

Apparently, the sky isn’t falling and Canon isn’t doomed. The first decent hands-on preview (mini review) of the Canon EOS R has hit, and the camera looks to be an excellent first step for Canon and will make still shooters quiet happy.
From Jared:
This is a HANDS ON PREVIEW of the Canon EOS R, new RF lenses and lens adapters. This is NOT A REVIEW just yet, that will be coming in the future. Should you sell all your Canon gear and move to Nikon or Sony or do you stick it out?
Here’s my take so far, this camera gets a lot right while still disappointing in some ways. But, I think it’s a very good start and will only lead to better future cameras. Now’s not the time to switch.
Jared provided some RAW files for you to play with over the weekend, you can get them here.
I’m looking forward to Jared’s real world review in a couple months time. Hopefully, by then, we’ll have one in our hands. I’m super...

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Replacement for the Canon XF305 around the corner [CR1]

We were told a short while ago that Canon would only be announcing a pro broadcast camcorder ahead of IBC 2018, which begins later this week. That still appears to be the case.
Apparently, the camera is aimed at being a replacement for the Canon XF305 and focused on broadcasters. The camera will shoot 4K at 60 in 4:2:2: 10bit. Interestingly, the camera will also add a  third control ring to control the IRIS.
The lens will be a 15x zoom L series lens, which would be a shorter zoom range than the XF305’s current 18x zoom.

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Interview: Talking with Canon about the EOS R system and its future

An interview with Canon executives was done in Japan by MyNavi and covered a wide range of topics in regards to the brand new Canon EOS R system.
Here are a few points from the interview (Google translated)
During the launch event, it was reported that the Canon EOS R sensor was the same as the EOS 5D Mark IV’s sensor, but apparently, that’s not the case.
Mr. Kiyota : The number of pixels itself is the same as EOS 5D Mark IV, but the sensor itself is newly developed. The content has changed a lot, such as adoption of a new dual pixel CMOS AF and arrangement of microlenses according to EOS R system. (Google Translated)
Canon feels that the Canon EOS R is an EOS 5D Mark IV level camera.

EOS R, is it positively an EOS 5D class camera?
Mr. Kiyota : I believe so. (Google Translated)
Digital lens optimizer now happens in real time, as the information comes directly from the lens.
Mr. Kiyota : I think that...

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Design of the EOS-R. An interview with product development manager

I used Google translate which seemed OK:
https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20180910-690162/

Some interesting points that I found:
  • The number of pixels itself is the same as EOS 5D Mark IV, but the sensor itself is newly developed...It is raising ISO sensitivity more than EOS 5D Mark IV.
  • Digic 8 processor: "raised the processing performance drastically than before. In addition to becoming able to realize the function of the digital lens optimizer in real time at the time of attaching the RF lens, it contributes also to the performance improvement of the dual pixel CMOS AF. The performance of noise reduction has also been enhanced, and compared with EOS 5D Mark IV, ordinary ISO sensitivity has been increased by 1/3 step. "
  • When installing the [IBIS] mechanism inside the body, you must overcome the challenges such as size, cost, heat generation...However, since I fully know the merit of camera shake compensation in the body, I will consider it including it. [so it sounds like they have not solved this problem]
  • First of all, I will introduce EOS R as a well-balanced middle class, but of course I am thinking about the higher and lower models than that
  • We are assuming 8 K as an EOS R system.

It even includes a roadmap - low on detail but a string of f2.8 lenses coming out in the next 2 years!
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Does the R have an APS-C crop mode option?

Sony has an APS-C crop mode that can be programmed to a function button. Will the R have such a feature?

I know the R goes into APS-C crop mode when an EF-S lens is mounted. But can I select the same crop mode when I mount a full-frame EF lens? For example, when mounting an EF 85/1.4 lens on an adapter.

Of course we can crop anything in post, but having the crop mode in camera, shown visually in the EVF, really helps for framing.

Speedboosters and chromatic abberation

Is CA a natural consequence of using a speedbooster? I have an EF to EF-M speedbooster that I use on my M50 and when taking photos yesterday, I noticed it for the first time ever. It was an overcast and somewhat humid day, so I'm not sure if that factored into anything, but it was only present in a handful of pictures I took at an outdoor Strongman/Strongwoman competition. I'm pretty new to accessories as my equipment has always been pretty simple and mainly shoot video, but it's something I'd like to be prepared for in case I'm ever out on a job. I've included a few images where it was most pronounced (woman on the right's face/body and man's forearms) and one (the vertical shot) in the same conditions where it pretty much disappeared.

If it matters:

Body - EOS M50
Lens - 85mm F/1.4 IS
Speedbooster - Custom made of Viltrox parts

Would definitely appreciate any insight as I'm trying to understand how some of this works as this hobby becomes something more. Thanks!

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Your take on the second Canon EOS R body

I am excited about the new Canon EOS R, and hopefully they will resolve the continuous Eye-AF tracking with a firmware update as posted by CR. I am curious what you folks feel the second body (that is expected to be announced in the coming months???) going to look like in terms of features and ergonomics as a still photography camera?

Do you feel/guesstimate any of these features are highly likely/unlikely to make its way into the next body based on past releases, and articles/patents posted related to Canon mirror-less camera system, and given current market and competition like that of Nikon/Sony (Z7 and A7R III)?

1) Joystick like 5D3/5D4?
2) Same AF system as the first body?
3) Faster AF/Eye-AF processing than the first body?
4) Second SD card slot?
5) Wheel (like the 5D3/5D4) on the back of the camera instead of the direction pad like the first body?
6) Higher or lower mega-pixel sensor?
7) IBIS ?
8) Additional dial or replace the on/off dial with something more useful (i personally feel that was a big waste of precious real-estate).
9) Same body as the first one, slightly modified (better sealing) and or slightly beefier?
10) $3100-3200 price point?

I am still using my 5D3 and surely going to switch to and order the EOS R or the second one (if it has significant difference in terms of ergonomics).

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