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Sep 20, 2012

The Nikon D600 will likely become one of that company's best selling cameras in the enthusiast upgrade segment. It offers state-of-the-art image quality, reasonably high build quality, much desired full frame with its large and bright VF, and a range of features and functions which is little short of those on the D800s, for almost $1,000 less. While web pundits will debate the merits of the D600 vs. Canon's 6D in terms of features, and Sony's A99 in terms of price, the reality is that I think we are finding ourselves at a point in digital camera development where cross grading between brands will become less and less of an issue. All the major brands have feature sets and image quality that will meet most user's needs. Lenses are the core issue, and once someone has invested in some good Nikon, Canon, Sony/Zeiss glass cameras themselves are becoming mainly a subject of feature and budget considerations rather than just image quality.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/nikon_d600_first_impressions.shtml

peederj · Sep 20, 2012

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9044/exclusive-canon-confirm-1d-c-4k-dslr-is-same-hardware-as-the-1d-x

This is appalling enough IMO that any hacker who manages to get the 1DC firmware running on the 1DX ought to be...uhm...canonized as a saint.

I wonder if the C100 can similarly be turned into a C500.

In fact, I'm going to bet the 6D could probably do 4K video just the same if they wanted it to.

This is the sort of thing competition is supposed to destroy in a capitalist system. The companies should be releasing the best products they can at a fair markup, not artificially segmenting markets and dribbling out capability when it suits them.

The final indignity will be their refusing to *ever* send out decripple firmware for the bodies that could have ran it. They will ask you to buy a new body, just because we let them.

surfer57 · Sep 20, 2012

Couple older shots all shot with my 30D, few water shots as well.

TexinAfrica · Sep 20, 2012

I have a 5D MK III and a 430 EX II. I almost never use the flash with this gear, but with my smaller cameras (and built in pop up flash) I frequently use fill flash during the day and occasional slow sync for night pics.

I occasionally would like to use fill flash or slow sync flash with the MK III and 430 but it appears the only way is to truely go fully manual. Any tips or guidelines on how to do either without needing a light meter etc. or simply guessing??? I don't find the 430 user guide much help. Thanks..........

Marsu42 · Sep 20, 2012

I recon Canon keeps the natural order of camera bodies not only by saving on hardware, but by enabling or disabling firmware features. Examples: afma on the 60d, 1/180s x-sync & 1/4000 shutter on the 6d, 7x hdr 5d3/6d vs 3x hdr on 5d2, af spot metering on 5d3, deeper buffer on the 7d (enabled in 2.0), video on the 5d2 (enabled in 2.0)... the list might get quite long.

Unfortunately Magic Lantern can only intercept keys and control the camera mostly in live-view. More interesting stuff has to be done in the core firmware - and Canon is very conservative here. This is strange since Canon is usually quite creative to grab money, and the way ahead imho is software-driven like "camera apps".

Question: Would you consider paying money for firmware features that extend the out of the box feature set (like no video, 1/2000 shutter, 1/125 x-sync) if the basic camera body would be cheaper in return?

Halfrack · Sep 20, 2012

So, I heard a long time ago when shooting, make sure to turn around and see what's behind you - it may be a better photo. When shooting sports, the celebration around scoring - thinking in soccer specifically - I'm actually thinking having a body on my back with a wide angle prime lens and a wired remote (set it to low speed continuous shooting). That way when I'm looking at the player, shooting, I'm also getting the fan reaction behind me, looking at the same player.

Any ideas or thoughts on this? Grab one of the body harnesses and wear it backwards?

Sep 20, 2012

As a Nikon user, I remember a time when I envied everything Canon. A few years ago, Canon had the best DSLR video, their cameras were the fastest, and they were the absolute kings of high ISO. Today DxOMark has released their review of the new Nikon D600, and to everyone’s surprise it has the 3rd best overall DSLR sensor in the land (beats the D4). More shocking is not a single Canon camera is in the top 10. Has Canon dropped the ball or is DxOMark unbelievably biased?

So the question remains, has Nikon completely destroyed Canon over the last few years with their redesigned CMOS sensors? As a photographer interested in video, I think it’s safe to say Canon still wins the best DSLR video award (the Mark III is beautiful for video), but it looks like Nikon has been leading the market in the categories most important to photographers such as ISO, Dynamic Range, and Color Depth.

At this point in my career, I feel like all of these cameras on the list are so beyond what is really necessary to produce amazing photographs (it’s all in the photographer anyways, right?) Compared to my first DSLR camera, the Nikon D200, each and every one of these DSLRs is a pure joy to use on location or in the studio. That being said, I can’t say that it doesn’t make me feel pretty good knowing that the system I have subscribed to is producing some of the most amazing cameras compared to the other options on the market.

http://fstoppers.com/nikon-compared-to-canon-dxo-mark-best-digital-camera

i wonder if we will ever hear something from canon in response to such articles... or if they just ignore it.

Ryan_W · Sep 20, 2012

Over on http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1150348/0#10976688 a poster dropped his specific experience with the 6D.

Canon has a booth set up at Photokina with a 5D2 and a 6D side by side with a "test cave" to show the performance of the AF system. I've copied it here:

Ralph Conway 6D - hands on & first experience

Today on photokina I got my hands on 6D.
There was not much time and the place was overcrowded and as far I remember, they presented the new body not in the "pro" area. I am pretty sure I will get the chance for a better and deeper second contact to the new Camera the next couple of days, because I will visit the exhibition all days till the end.

Here is my first impression:

1. the body feels and smells like more plastik than 5D II, 5D III, but it fits perfect into my hands. New size, weight and feel came comfortable for me.
2. The outer AF points worked very good (immediatelly reaction and accurate) on the well lit booth. Felt much better than 5D II ever did.
3. I was NOT allowed to put in a SD card. But I checked ISO 25.600 and it looked great on the display (what does not say much more than it has a great screen).
4. I really was missing the "joystick". Guess I have to get more familar with its new counterpart in the backwheel.
5. I can not say it for certain, but as far I remember the "confirm" illumination of the AF points was handeled same way it was in the Dxxx, Dxx, 5D, 5D II and old 1 bodies. I just remember while writing. I guess I will check again tomorrow when I find the time to tell you for sure (sorry).

The cause why I forgot to check it for sure is easy. There was a dark "testcave" to check the center AF-point -3 EV capabilities. The target was so dark that I even was not able to see where I was pointing to. I just saw some kind of a more lit area pointed the center AF sensor to it and pushed the shutter release.

6. The result was blowing away my mind. The confirmation with 50mm 1.4 came immediatelly! The focus set perfect and I first could see what I shot on the screen! I did this maybe 10-15 times, turned the camera to the side and did a portrait of a backlit visitor sitting half in the darkness. Focus was perfect. The 5D II in compare was surching, surching, surching. It did not confirm. I repeated the test with the man and it was surching and surching and at least confirmed, too. I shot the pic but I can not say if it found the correct focus, because it was a 1/15th shot wide open and I could not hold it (sorry, I forgott to check the ISO setting). The pic done with the 6D was rasorsharp at ISO 25k.

To be honest: This was the camera I wished for my needs as a 5D II follow up one year ago (some might remember). I am sure this new body will become a great success. A friend of mine who tested the Tamron 24-70 at his 1D X went over to the Canon booth and checked 6D, too.
His impression: "It´s plastic! But this sensitivness should have had found its way into the 1D X!"

More as soon as possible.

Ralph

A few users asked him to return for a second comparison of the full range of AF points and compare to the 5D2. He responded the next day by saying:

My upper and downer work fine in a well lit surrounding. The left and right ones never worked. They worked excellent on the 6D.

To clarify, he's saying here that of the selectable AF points on the 5D2, his upper and lower worked ok, but the left and right ones never worked, but the 6D's points all worked quickly in low light.

This plus Canon's exec comments regarding the comparison read to me like a clear verification of the 6D's intended place as a 2012 5D2. There's a clear market for that level of camera, but anyone who owned one knows that the 5D2 AF system was a disaster. So, they improved that same system, added some bells and whistles, made it a little smaller, and dropped the entry level price by $600.

I think the mistake many forum users made was to assume that Canon would be releasing something "between" the 5D and 7D that incorporated all the features of one or the other. Instead, they've just updated a very popular body (the mark II), responded to customer complaints, and dropped the price by quite a bit.

Is there something I'm missing that makes the 5D2 more attractive than this? I mean, from what I'm reading, and from just now looking on Ebay, are people really so upset that they would rather save $299 and get a 4 year old and really troublesome AF system with more weight, lower ISO and fewer film options? To say the least of the WIFI, GPS, and all the other little gimmicks. I don't get why I've seen so many people throwing their hands up and exclaiming how glad they are they they just bought a 5D2.

Sep 20, 2012

We've been treated to a lot of new products from Canon recently. I wonder if there have been any rumors about a new updated version of the EF 24-105 f/4 L . The current original version is 7 years old, and has some known issues, such as distortion and a tight zoom range on the wide end. Makes sense to me that a replacement would be in the works. I have the version 1 of the EF 24-70 f/2.8 L and like it very much. No doubt I'd like the version 2 even better, but both 24-70 f/2.8 lenses are on the heavy side, and I was thinking of getting a high IQ but lighter lens to use as a walkaround, general purpose lens. Has anyone heard anything about a replacement or would like to make a comment?

Aglet · Sep 20, 2012

I was just reading this little bit of an interview with Nikon's Dirk Jasper, published on DPreview:

www.dpreview.com/articles/7228819844/photokina-2012-interview-dirk-jasper-of-nikon

It mostly discusses the new D600 but I like the very last line, a point I don't remember Canon ever mentioning.

"Even second hand, or refurbished, a good lens is still worth its price, ten or twenty years later. Especially for enthusiasts, backwards and downwards compatibility is very important. Once you invest your money in a system it must be safe. You must get value for money. "

We do know that Canon glass, especially the L series stuff from the last 10 or 12 years, does hold its value extremely well. In fact, it's been my best performing investment ever!

But I take the context of Dirk's comment to imply the whole camera-lens system.
Even OUT of context, I'd like to hear Canon say, and mean, they intend to offer good value for money. Something I think the new 6D fails to deliver and something the 5D3 didn't exactly deliver at its intro price either.

comments?

bykes · Sep 20, 2012

Hello all.

New to the forum, but I've been a long time visitor to the site. I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I'm having a tough time selling some gear. I'm trying to sell my canon ef-s 17-55. I've had it up on Craigslist for a few weeks with about 1 or 2 interested in buying that have backed out of at the last minute. I really don't want to put it on ebay to avoid fees.

I was just curious if anyone knew of any other outlets to sell used gear.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Canon Rumors · Sep 20, 2012

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</strong>This new EdMika adapter fits many more lenses than previous kits we have made. This conversion kit includes 1x EdMika FDn-EOS-A brass adapter body, 1x EdLink, 1x EdShield and 1x rear EOS cap. You only need to have your own good quality small phillips screwdriver to do the conversion. The main brass adapter body will fit most FDn mount lenses but will not fit any of the older FD lenses that are the silver ring/breech lock mounts. So far I have full kits for the lenses listed in the chart below. These kits allow you to replace the original mount with an EOS mount that will give infinity focus AND will allow you to control the aperture as well. This give you much better image quality compared to the usual FD-EOS adapters available for sale. Those cheap standard adapters use corrective lenses to give infinity focus and with that you lose so much detail as well as a stop of light that it is just not worth using.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574981434&toolid=10001&campid=5337164561&customid=&icep_item=170911278282&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg" target="_blank">Buy the EdMika FDn to EOS Adaptor</a> | <a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574981434&toolid=10001&campid=5337164561&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fed_mika%2Fm.html%3F_nkw%3D%26_armrs%3D1%26_from%3D%26_ipg%3D%26_trksid%3Dp3686" target="_blank">View Other EdMika Adaptors</a></strong></p>
<p>Read more about compatibility and learn how to install these fine adaptors after the break.</p>
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<p>If you have Canon FDn mount lenses that are not on this list you will still be able to mount the brass adapter and get infinity focusing on most of them but you would not have aperture control, you would have to shoot wide open only. The FDn 7.5mm Fisheye has a different bolt pattern so I will be making a different adapter for it. I am still working on many more lens kits and plan on having the FDn 50mm 1.2L and FDn 85mm 1.2L kits soon after I develop an EdTraveller to hold the rear aspherical lens element in those lenses. I will also be coming out with kits for the 20-35L and 50-300L zooms and many more as I develop the EdLinks needed to control the aperture. There will not be a kit for the FDn 20mm 2.8 or the FDn 85mm 1.8 since they are missing the holes and screws I normally attach my EdLink to. There is a way to make the 85mm 1.8 work but you would have to get the EdMika kit for the 100mm f/2, grind down the height of the EdLink by about 4mm and find a cheap/broken donor FDn lens and use the grey ring from it instead of the original no hole one in the 85mm 1.8.</p>
<p>As always each EdMika adapter comes with the latest Generation 4 Dandelion chip that will come to you preprogrammed with your lens focal length and reporting the maximum aperture. These chips are mostly useful for proper light metering and EXIF data reporting but they are also focus confirmation chips. I recommend using 10x live view for most accurate focus or getting a good focus screen. You can program the chip through your camera and calibrate the focus spot but I find accuracy is so so.</p>
<p>360 Brass was chosen over stainless steel or aluminum because brass is softer than camera and lens flanges ensuring no surface damage yet it is still strong enough to hold on through even heavy abuse. It also allowed us to skip coatings so we could maintain higher tolerances because of the variability of a coating process and because glue holding af-confirm chips bonds well to bare metal but poorly to coatings.</p>
<p>Some of these converted lenses come in contact with the thick mirror of the 5D2 and less thick mirror of the 5D3 and a couple contact the 1D4. This does no damage to the lens or mirror (I have hit thousands of times now) and can be overcome by focusing closer, going to live view and then focusing up to infinity. All crop sensor bodies are safe with no mirror hits on any lens at any focus distance. The below chart gives an idea of distances before mirror contact on which lenses and bodies. Some full frame shooters shave the mirror slightly to overcome the contact issue if they don’t want to use the live view workaround.</p>
<div id="attachment_11367" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 585px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/compatibility.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-11367" title="compatibility" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/compatibility-575x235.png" alt="" width="575" height="235" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Compatibility Chart | Click for Larger</p></div>
<p>When you purchase this adapter kit you must include a PayPal note with the type of lens from the above list that you want to convert so I can send you the proper EdLink and proper EdShield. If there is no note included I will attempt to contact you through your paypal email address to ask this question again and if I do not get an answer within a day I will Include the EdShield and EdLink that will only work for the FDn 50mm 1.4 lens. If you include more than one lens in the note for a single adapter purchase I will send the parts for only the first one you mention. For now we are not selling extra EdLinks or EdShields separately from adapter bodies.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574981434&toolid=10001&campid=5337164561&customid=&icep_item=170911278282&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg" target="_blank">Buy the EdMika FDn to EOS adaptor on eBay</a></strong></p>
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surfer57 · Sep 20, 2012

I shoot primarily surfing with my 1Dx. I was using a 30D and had it set up for back focus. I have the back focus custom function on the 1Dx now but would like to turn off focus with the shutter button. What function is this that I need to turn off?

thomasl4 · Sep 20, 2012

I just got my 5D3 yesterday after having my 5D2 stolen a month ago. It's awesome!

What I'm wondering is if anyone else has a problem with their 70-200 IS II. When using the image stabilization on that lens, the mechanism will jump to the right after I take a frame in normal one shot and high speed burst mode. It doesn't occur when I shoot in silent mode. Basically, when I shoot bursts at 6fps, the first frame is sharp and the subsequent frames have horizontal camera shake.

This was never a problem with my 5D2 and testing on my original 5D shows the lens is not the problem.
I've changed and toggled lots of settings in the 5D3 and still no change.
I am using firmware 1.1.3.

Does anyone else experience this problem? I filed a report with canon and am waiting on their response.

HughHowey · Sep 20, 2012

My new body is "out for delivery." I've been reading the 404 page manual for the past few days, familiarizing myself with the settings and AF options. What do you wish you'd known the first day? Any customizations that you've found to make life easier? Here's your chance to impart your wisdom.

And not that anyone asked, but the 135L is going to be the first thing I slap on that puppy.

marekjoz · Sep 20, 2012

Hasselblad has announced their new 5000 Euro camera based on Nex-7. Why writing here about it?
Recently we have seen mirrorless from Canon. Each day here is a fight here between Sony and Canon sensors. And Hasselblad makes the real use of it making it's own case and some buttons for the Nex-7 and selling it as their own new product for the price of new 5D3 + 70-200 2.8 II.
http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com/index.php/home/

Guys at lensrentals.com are in a great shape as always, so they announced their own version: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/09/product-announcement-lensrentals-looney

LOL

Some more info on the subject:
http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2206278/photokina-2012-hasselblad-to-launch-mirrorless-compact-camera
http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2206781/hasselblad-were-not-robbing-people-off-with-lunar-camera

"If you take Canon, for example, all of their DSLRs look the same, but their Powershot cameras have a completely different look, and the same is true of its mirrorless model. So, the question is: ‘What is the Canon style?' What we're doing is designing three cameras – a compact camera, a DSLR and a mirrorless – with the same style," Alessandrini (Hasselblad's new business development manager) tells BJP."

Sep 20, 2012

Looks like a great idea! I'm already using the Capture One remote capture (which requires a wifi laptop tethered to the camera) so the Canon implementation looks miles better.

I note in the screen grabs that the 7D is mentioned, is this a function that can work with the WFT grip? What about a T3i with Eye-Fi card?

Been looking for a less clumsy way of doing things and this app looks great! Not going to buy a 6D though.

Sep 20, 2012

Hi,

I'd like to take photos with wireless flash with my 5diii.

I have a 430EX, 4 manual Panasonic flashes and two 350w strobes.

I'll need to use: TTL, HSS, 2nd curtain wirelessly and I need something reliable.

Q1) I'm considering 600ex-rt & st-e3-rt. How could I add my existing flashes to fire with this setup?

Q2) The 600ex-rt & st-e3-rt is a little pricey [$860 @ B&H], so is there a more cost-effective way?

Thanks,
Andy

PS 2x 600s and 1x e3 could probably be ideal, but I'm not a professional photographer so I wish to avoid spending so much.

Synomis192 · Sep 20, 2012

I found a used G1x from Adorama for about 599.99

Should I go for the G1x or wait for the G15?

Sep 20, 2012

Received this the other day. I haven't had much of a chance to take some "proper" macro shots with it, but in just messing around the house with it- I'm quite impressed with the sharpness- Especially when using the Sigma 1.4x TC. Two gripes that I have are the size- It is massive compared to the 100mm 2.8 L and also it isn't weather sealed. Anyhow, here are a few around-the-house test shots (all wide open, however some are @ f4 due to TC):

Sep 19, 2012

is this a good portrait?

simonxu11 · Sep 19, 2012

Someone tested 6D on photokina and it seems the AF is not bad at all

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1150348

Quasimodo · Sep 19, 2012

Disclaimer: This is not a thread meant to trash other manufacturers, nor do I hope that the thread develops in that direction. It is a question I pose out of genuine interest in the logic and motivation for buying into these medium format systems.

My main question is: Why would people buy a digital Hasselblad? In what situations would you need what a Hasselblad can deliver? Are there work situations where a Hasselblad or other medium format systems are required? (for instance do high end magazines require images captured with these systems?). Is the cost of a Hasselblad justified in terms of qualityrequirements anywhere? In Norway a Hasselbad H5D - 60 cost 312.031 NOK (41.988 Euro, http://interfoto.no/nettbutikk/kameraer/hasselblad/h-serien/Hasselblad-H5D-60-hus--3013662-p0000037293.aspx), while a 1DX cost 54.995 NOK (7.400 Euro, http://www.fotovideo.no/Produkter/Systemkamera/Canon/Canon-EOS-1D-X-Hus-18,1Mp,-12b-s,-Full-HD-127617-p0000148151.aspx) and a 5D III cost 24.499 for the body (3.297 Euro, http://www.fotovideo.no/Produkter/Systemkamera/Canon/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-hus-22Mp,-fullformat,-6-b-sek,-DIGIC-5-pros-129195-p0000151276.aspx)

Background for my questions:

I have myself most of my gear in Canon. I am, apart from approximately 10 paid jobs pr. year, foremost an enthusiast. My bread and butter comes from my job as a lecturer in Marketing and marketing communication- related courses. I have in several of my lectures used quite a bit of time on the DSLR and compact camera market. Hence, both professionally and from a hobby point of view, I am very interested in hearing your answers to my questions.

wsgroves · Sep 19, 2012

Just picked this up for my 7D and was wondering if any kind souls could give me some shooting tips with it.
I have never shot anything that wide.

Thanks much.

heptagon · Sep 19, 2012

These two lenses should look exactly the same:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=787&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=1&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0

At the short end one is better, at the long end the other. But why? They should both look best for all focal lengths and never have passed the quality control.

Maybe the optical design has such low tolerances that Canon can't make it work properly and this was the reason for the long delays.

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