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4K, 8K, UHDTV and the big megapixel EOS

Facts: In London 2012 BBC showcased footage of the games on huge outdoor screens in a newly launched UHDTV format. The image quality was like out of this planet. August 23rd UHDTV was offically approved by ITU standardizing the 4K and 8K resolutions. 4K (4,096x2,160) equates to an 8Mpixel image resolution, 8K (8,192x4,320) to 32Mpixels. Presently the so-called HD is just 2Mp image resolution equivalent. Moving to UHDTV is expected by 2020 in terms of reasonable marketing cost.

Question is, Canon already has the technology to launch high megapixel EOS. If we go to say 32Mp (and beyond) are our HD LCD computer monitors able to see the difference or we're just getting an image downgrade? Loading our images to HDTV via SD card are we getting these 32Mb (or even less) or are we fooling ourselves? Is 5D3 wisely staying at 22Mp to keep up with present day peripheral technology?

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Time from Announcement to Release

Can anyone tell me how canon handles avalability of their new releases? From what I've read it seems there is a significant wait time (or maybe it was only for that specific model).

My dilema is this. I'm taking a business trip to London in November and my wife will accompany me. She wants a new camers (shes been using my T2i a little too much) so we decided she would inherit my T2i and I would get some new gear.

If something similar to the 70d or 7Dmk2 is announced in September at Photokina, what are the chances I can get my hands on one before my trip in November? Is this realistic or should I just (reluctantly) grab a 7D?

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Lenses for 1DC?

I need some advice on lenses for the soon to be released 1DC and couldn't find a better place on the forum to raise the issue.

My understanding was the 1DC used the EF system, so thought I would be okay choosing whatever EF lenses I liked and shooting away in 4K. But I have now learnt that actually if you're using EF Cinema zoom lenses you have to change the setting on the camera from the 4K APS-H crop to Full HD Super 35mm crop. What I need to know is what lenses can you use on the 1DC in 4K mode?

Please note that my question is deliberately broad and vague - I am not yet at the point where I want to get very specific about the glass, nor indeed specific about shooting in 4k... rather I am looking to know what range I can choose from and definitely be covered in any format on the camera.

Any input would be much appreciated!

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Canon U.S.A. Introduces Two Compact Lightweight Cinema Zoom Lenses For 4K and 2K Digital Cinema Came

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<p><strong>New Precision-Matched Wide-Angle and Telephoto Zoom Lenses in Both EF and PL Mounts Enhance Canon’s Cinema EOS System

</strong>LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., August 29, 2012 – As the production of motion pictures, episodic television shows, commercials, documentaries, and other program content increasingly transitions to digital, Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, continues to provide innovative Cinema EOS products designed to enable the most discerning filmmakers and producers to capture their unique creative visions. The latest of these Canon products, two new compact and lightweight cinema zoom lenses available in both EF- and PL-mount versions, were first announced at NAB 2012 and have now been officially added to the Canon Cinema EOS product line. Designated as the CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L S/SP wide-angle cinema zoom lens and the CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L S/SP telephoto cinema zoom lens, both are engineered to deliver exceptional optical performance for the latest large-format single-sensor 4K and 2K digital cinematography cameras. Both lenses feature a compact, lightweight design to facilitate handheld and SteadicamTM shooting while also covering a wide range of focal lengths.</p>
<p>“These two new compact lightweight cinema zoom lenses provide exceptional optical and operational performance for creative film and television professionals. The Canon Cinema EOS line of high-resolution cameras and lenses is engineered to affordably serve the highest-performance needs of the production community and enable it to truly ‘Leave No Story Untold,’” noted Yuichi Ishizuka, executive vice president and general manager, Imaging Technologies & Communications Group, Canon U.S.A.</p>
<p>A leading maker of precision lenses for professional digital photography, broadcast HDTV sports and news coverage, and many other markets, Canon has leveraged its years of expertise as a world leader in optics and imaging to develop the compact and lightweight CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L S/SP wide-angle cinema zoom lens and the CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L S/SP telephoto cinema zoom lens. Each lens will be available in both EF- and PL-mount configurations. (The EF-mount version is designated by the letter “S” at the end of the model name; the PL-mount version by the letters “SP”.)</p>
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<p><strong>Main Features: CN-E15.5–47mm T2.8 L S/SP and CN-E30–105mm T2.8 L S/SP</strong></p>
<p><strong>1. High optical performance for use with 4K-resolution cameras</strong></p>
<p>Supports 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels) production standards, with a level of resolution exceeding four times the resolution of Full HD.</p>
<p>Offers compatibility with industry-standard Super 35 mm-equivalent image format as well as APS-C-size sensors.i</p>
<p>The optimal placement of low-refraction, low-dispersion UD (ultra-low dispersion) glass corrects for axial and lateral chromatic aberrations to realize exceptional imaging performance without color blurring.</p>
<p>With a T-number of 2.8, the new lens lineup offers bright performance and, with no changes in brightness during zooming, enables the use of attractive blur effects when employing a shallow depth of field.</p>
<p>Each lens is equipped with an 11-blade aperture diaphragm for soft, attractive blur characteristics.</p>
<p>The lenses minimize focus-induced changes in the angle of view and, through the latest advances in anti-reflective coating and related technologies, reduce the occurrence of ghosting and flare.</p>
<p><strong>2. Broad focal-length coverage despite compact, lightweight design</strong></p>
<p>Designed with hand-held shooting in mind, each lens weighs just approximately 2.2 kg, less than half the weight of the top-end zoom lens models that went on sale earlier this year.</p>
<p>Combining the wide-angle and telephoto zoom lenses as a set enables users to cover a wide focal length range, from 15.5 mm (wide-angle end) to 105 mm (telephoto end).</p>
<p>Because the lenses provide a long focal length at the telephoto end, they enable the magnification of scenes shot from a distance and the use of attractive blur effects when employing a shallow depth of field.</p>
<p><strong>3. Designed to deliver high operability</strong></p>
<p>With a focus rotation angle of approximately 300 degrees, the lenses facilitate precise focusing performance.</p>
<p>Zoom, focus and iris markings all appear on angled surfaces for improved readability from behind the camera.</p>
<p>Features a unified front lens diameter and uniform gear positions, doing away with the need to adjust or reposition accessory gear when switching between the two lenses.</p>
<p>By removing the cover ring, users can easily perform flange-back adjustment.</p>
<p><strong>4. Functionality to realize increased shooting convenience</strong></p>
<p>The new lenses can be used with matte boxes and other standard manual and electronic movie industry accessories widely used in the motion picture production.</p>
<p>Each lens offers a reduced minimum object distance (0.5 m for the CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L S/SP and 0.6 m for the CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L S/SP) that makes possible tighter close-ups and facilitates shooting in limited-space environments.</p>
<p>The EF-mount version lenses, when combined with Cinema EOS System cameras, support lens-camera communication enabling the recording of zoom and other settings along with video data, making possible the effective management of shooting conditions. Additionally, a future camera firmware update (release date to be decided) will enable automatic image correction along with other benefits.</p>
<p>The Canon Cinema EOS System of professional digital cinematography products includes the EOS C300 and EOS C500 digital cinema cameras (available in EF- or PL-mount versions), the EOS C100 digital video camera, the EOS-1D C DSLR camera, the CN-E14.5-60mm T2.6L S/SP wide-angle zoom and CN-E30-300mm T2.95-3.7L S/SP telephoto zoom lenses (EF and PL versions available), and the CN-E24mm T1.5 L F, CN-E50mm T1.3 L F, and CN-E85mm T1.3 L F prime lenses for EF-mount cameras. Cinema EOS cameras are also compatible with the more than 60 lenses in Canon’s EF lens line (which includes macro, fisheye, telephoto, and tilt-shift models) for maximum creative versatility. Canon continues to enhance its Cinema EOS System product line to support diverse image creation in motion picture, television, and other high-resolution digital production industries.</p>
<p><strong>Pricing and Availability

</strong>The Canon CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L S/SP wide-angle cinema zoom lens is expected to be available in November 2012 and the CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L S/SP telephoto cinema zoom lens is expected to be available in January 2013, both for an estimated list price of $24,500 each.</p>
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Canon Announces 14mm T3.1 and 135mm T2.2 EF Cinema Prime Lenses

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<p><strong>Canon U.S.A. Aims To Expand The Cinema EOS System With The Development Of New EF Cinema Prime Lenses

</strong>LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., August 29, 2012 – Further contributing to the evolution of the motion picture industry, Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today announced the development of two new cinema prime lenses, the 14mm T3.1 cinema prime lens and 135mm T2.2 cinema prime lens, adding to the Cinema EOS lineup consisted of 11 EF Cinema Lenses.</p>
<p>Both the 14mm T3.1 and 135mm T2.2 cinema prime lenses will be engineered for exceptional optical performance for Canon’s latest large-format single-sensor 4K and 2K digital cinematography cameras. As part of the Cinema EOS System, the lenses will be compatible with standard sensor sizes including Super 35mm, the standard format in the motion picture industry, as well as HD-compatible EOS Digital SLR cameras using 35mm full frame, APS-H and APS-C image sensors.</p>
<p>“In November of 2011, Canon pledged to offer high-end professional solutions to filmmakers, cinematographers, and television production professionals. Our pledge included a commitment to this industry and a promise of future product development and solutions to meet industry needs. Today’s announcements prove that we intend to deliver on that pledge,” stated Yuichi Ishizuka, executive vice president and general manager, Imaging Technologies & Communications Group, Canon U.S.A.</p>
<p>The 14mm T3.1 and 135mm T2.2 EF cinema prime lenses are expected to be available in the first half of 2013, and will be showcased from September 6 – 11, 2012 at IBC2012 in Amsterdam.</p>
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More Analysis of the C100

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<p><strong>What’s the world saying?

</strong>There is lots of opinion out there already about the new Canon EOS C100 entry level professional video camera. It looks like the camera will be in the $8000 range, though pricing hasn’t been officially announced yet.</p>
<p>The biggest difference I see on the surface, is the camera cannot take PL mount lenses. It looks like they’re only releasing an EF mount camera. Most initial opinions on the camera are quite positive, visit the sites below for some opinions. I’ll post more during the day as they start rolling in.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://blog.planet5d.com/2012/08/canon-announces-new-canon-eos-c100-the-baby-brother-to-the-canon-eos-c300-and-the-canon-eos-c500/" target="_blank">Planet5D – C100 Impressions

</a></strong><em>“I think most of us will take that with a grain of salt. The “beginning filmmakers” part – many of us cannot afford an $8000 camera. Which is why the HDSLR line has made such an impact on filmmakers in the first place – it’s low-cost! While I agree this is the lowest price of the EOS line, many will quibble with the idea that this is priced for the beginning filmmaker.” <strong><a href="http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2012/08/29/canon-c100-leads-to-murky-future-for-mid-to-upper-range-video-hdslrs/" target="_blank">Visit Planet5D</a></strong></em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.eoshd.com/content/8856/canon-launch-cinema-eos-c100" target="_blank">EOSHD – C100 Impressions

</a></strong><em>“Canon today launched the much speculated Canon C100, the budget version of the C300. Initially set for a price under the Sony FS700 (around $8000), the camera is double the price of a used FS100 but features built-in ND filters and the same sensor as the C300. The design and handling looks fantastic, it is even smaller than the C300 (by some 15%) but the major compromise is the codec which is now AVCHD at 24Mbit 4-2-0.” <strong><a href="http://www.eoshd.com/content/8856/canon-launch-cinema-eos-c100" target="_blank">Visit EOSHD</a></strong></em></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2012/08/29/canon-c100-leads-to-murky-future-for-mid-to-upper-range-video-hdslrs/" target="_blank">Vincent Laforet – C100 Impressions</a></strong>

<em>“Many may be taken aback with the idea of spending $7,999 on this camera at first. But if you stop to think about what you won’t NEED to buy – it can actually start to look like the C100 might just be a wiser investment long term. This camera comes ready to shoot. The ergonomics are great so you don’t HAVE to have a cage. You don’t need to buy an external audio recorder and synching software – this has XLR inputs (and stereo headphone jack as well as levels) with the handle.”  <strong><a href="http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2012/08/29/canon-c100-leads-to-murky-future-for-mid-to-upper-range-video-hdslrs/" target="_blank">Visit VincentLaforet</a></strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/canon-shrinks-300-calls-it-c100-prices-it-at-8000/" target="_blank"><strong>No Film School – C100 Impressions</strong></a>

<em>“While it would have upset quite a few people, this camera should really have been the C300. Canon has a more costly camera at every price point than Sony, and for the same money you can get a camera that does 240fps at 1080 — instead of 60i at 1080. I think Canon is gambling on users buying or using this camera strictly for the white name etched into the front. There won’t be any PL mount lenses on this camera, as Canon is only introducing an EF mount version.” <strong><a href="http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/canon-shrinks-300-calls-it-c100-prices-it-at-8000/" target="_blank">Visit NoFilmSchool</a></strong></em></p>
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*UPDATE* Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Pushed Back to October?

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<p><strong>UPDATE

</strong>I have received two updates that a major store in Germany expects their first shipments of the new EF 24-70 f/2.8L II by the end of next week. This information was backed up by a CPS rep in another country.</p>
<p><strong>New ship date?

</strong>We and <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html" target="_blank">others</a> are hearing that the new Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II will not begin shipping until October 2012 at the earliest. Nothing has been officially mentioned by Canon as of yet.</p>
<p><strong>EOS Utility

</strong>You will see in the latest EOS utility the lens correction information has been added for the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II</p>
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Canon Announces EOS C100 Professional Video Camera

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<p>London, UK, 29 August 2012 – Canon today adds to the Cinema EOS System with the launch of the new EOS C100 – a compact, versatile interchangeable-lens professional video camera designed for independent videographers. Based on the core performance of the acclaimed EOS C300, the new model combines impressive hardware specifications with a range of new automatic features – making it ideal for professionals who shoot without a crew, or EOS videographers entering the Cinema EOS System for the first time.</p>
<p>With Canon’s Super 35mm 8.3MP Bayer-filtered CMOS sensor at its core, the EOS C100 combines exceptional image quality with a design approximately 15% smaller than the advanced EOS C300. The camera’s powerful imaging system enables the same processing as three-chip RGB systems, delivering exceptional colour, wide dynamic</p>
<p>range and proven low light performance, while extensive NLE support makes it suitable for a wide range of users and production purposes. With Canon’s EF mount users have immediate access to over 60 class-leading EF lenses, as well as the freedom to experiment with the company’s expanding EF Cinema Lens line-up.</p>
<p><strong>First-class camera system

</strong>Designed to offer leading quality and portability, the EOS C100 features a specification designed around the needs of single operators. Its advanced imaging system utilises the widely-used AVCHD codec, with the CMOS sensor recording 1920×1080 (Full HD) resolution video to SD cards1 at 24Mbps with 4:2:0 colour sampling – delivering sharp, vivid, professional-quality video. Uncompressed video can also be output directly to external recorders via an integrated HDMI terminal, complete with embedded timecode data.</p>
<p>Equipped to provide exceptional performance, the EOS C100 allows users to capture high quality images for a range of creative outputs. Support for 24/25/30p and 50/60i frame rates offers flexibility, and an ISO range of 320-20,000 provides extensive exposure control and low noise in all lighting conditions. A new Wide Dynamic Range gamma setting makes it possible to shoot in demanding, high contrast situations – achieving a dynamic range of up to 800% without the need for extensive colour grading in post-production. Additionally, Canon Log Gamma enables the capture of high quality video rich in exposure latitude and dynamic range, and ensures footage has a consistent look and feel when used alongside other Cinema EOS cameras in multicamera shoots.</p>
<p><strong>Easy operation for single users

</strong>As well as full manual control, the EOS C100 integrates a range of new automatic features to support independent operators such as documentary makers or news shooters. A new One Shot AF button enables users to instantly check focus, with the central image area automatically checked prior to recording. Push Auto Iris evaluates exposure and makes any required adjustments before shooting, while new Auto White Balance uses the power of Canon’s DIGIC DV III image processor to detect and balance colour information – allowing operators to focus on the story in front of them.</p>
<p>A new graphical user interface enables videographers to conveniently adjust standard camera settings using the LCD screen. Operators can fine-tune Gamma settings, with the camera displaying both ‘before’ and ‘after’ curves on-screen, while White Balance settings can be altered using the camera’s joystick lever, with a colour/plane graphic displaying the amount of compensation being applied in real time. Additionally, support for continuous, automatic focus and iris adjustment will be added by a firmware update in 2013, providing fast, smooth performance when used with specified models in Canon’s range of EF Stepper Motor (STM) lenses.</p>
<p>The EOS C100 also offers highly flexible storage, recording to two SD card slots. Users can record to both cards simultaneously with Double Slot Recording or use Relay Recording to automatically switch across memory cards when the one in use becomes full. In-camera down-conversion also allows operators to convert HD footage stored on one card to SD resolution on the other – ideal for operators who want to reduce the size or resolution of footage before transferring or web hosting.</p>
<p><strong>Professional design, professional audio

</strong>The EOS C100 features the same modular concept made popular by the EOS C300. Engineered to provide mobility and durability, it features a robust build and lightweight construction ideal for use in a number of situations. Its magnesium alloy frame provides strength and rigidity while keeping weight to a minimum, allowing users to enjoy both versatility and comfort – even during all-day use.</p>
<p>A large, high quality 8.8cm (3.5”) Vari-angle LCD is situated on the rear of the camera body, which can be manoeuvred to offer easy access to a range of function buttons situated behind the display. An adjustable handgrip also offers DSLR-like ergonomics during handheld shooting, and can be removed altogether for shooting in tight spaces or as part of a multi-camera rig. The camera’s button layout also has been designed taking user feedback into account, with all recording buttons now featuring red markings for added convenience during shooting. Up to 15 assignable buttons also provide high levels of customisation, allowing each user to optimise camera operation to suit their own requirements.</p>
<p>The EOS C100 also offers professionally-optimised audio and connectivity, supporting the capture of Dolby Digital AC3 or 16-bit Linear PCM audio at 48 kHz – the high quality signal required for professional broadcast content. A stereo microphone is built into the camera’s detachable handle, alongside audio control dials and two XLR terminals which enable users to connect to external microphones and other sources. The camera also features a new lockable HDMI terminal that ensures cables remain securely attached to the input during shooting2.</p>
<p><strong>EF lenses and EF Cinema Lenses – power to create

</strong>As part of the EOS system, the EOS C100 is compatible with over 60 EF lenses and Canon’s EF Cinema Lens line-up, and complements a new duo of compact lightweight cine zoom lenses, the CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L S and CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L S. Both new lenses offer outstanding mobility and quality, providing performance and value that makes them excellent options for independent professionals and production houses alike.</p>
<p>In addition, Canon’s hugely-popular EF lens series for DSLRs offers virtually unlimited creative freedom, with options to meet any budgetary requirement. The EF-S range comprises a selection of compact, lightweight zoom lenses that merge high image quality with affordable pricing, while the full-frame EF lens line-up offers outstanding quality and flexibility – utilising luxury, class-leading optics in a range of focal length options ranging from 8mm to 800mm. Since the launch of the EOS System in 1987 over 70 million EF lenses have been manufactured, a measure of the system’s unparalleled quality, popularity, and ability to meet the needs of all kinds of photography and video users.</p>
<p><strong>Canon EOS C100 – key features:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>8.3MP Super 35mm CMOS sensor; Full HD</li>
<li>High sensitivity, low noise</li>
<li>24Mbps AVCHD to SD cards</li>
<li>Automatic shooting functions</li>
<li>Interchangeable EF lenses</li>
<li>Canon Log Gamma</li>
<li>Compact, modular, lightweight</li>
<li>Professional audio</li>
<li>Seamless workflow integration</li>
<li>CPS video support</li>
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Received my Refurb EOS 5D2 from Canon CLP

For $1583 plus tax, I feel like I got a great deal. The camera had 1553 actuations and is very tight with absolutely no scratches. Every accessory is brand new. I'm going to spend a few hours with it today shooting mt 24-70 f/2.8 and learning how to use it. I had a 50D so the controls aren't going to drive me crazy even though I shoot my 7D for sports. I'll have to learn all of the nuances with each lens all over again and looking forward to it. My 200 f/2 can stay attached to my 7D.....

Need help with group picture!!

I took this picture yesterday, and I really want to give this guys the best picture (and memory) possible.
So I would love to have some input from you guys on how to make the best out of this on Aperture or Photoshop.

So far I've done these changes:

Appreciate any help!

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Tele lens for football/soccer

OK. So I have a relatively limited budget.

I'm looking at either a 300 or a 400 prime for shooting soccer and football.

As much as I would love the f/2.8 IS version of either, they are considerably outside my price range.

So my question is this: which would you recommend, oh more-experienced photogs: the 300 f/4 or the 400 f/5.6. We're talking the L in both cases.

And, to make matters more complicated, likely by the time I'm shooting these sports again, I will have a FF body (currently APS-C).

Alright. Have at me!

p.s. Whichever I get I will likely end up using for hockey as well. But I have the 70-200 f/2.8 for that, and that's been perfectly fine.

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Is digital still that new of a technology?

Ok Im quite confused, I know digital is the new thing and film is kind of almost vintage, but seriously why couldnt they just turn this camera digital?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/194453-USA/Canon_2043A005_EOS_1V_Camera_Body.html
I get the convenience of digital but this 1V film camera sure seems like one hell of a camera! Maybe I am too young and naive about film vs digital or however you want to call it. So is it really just a convenience factor that determines the price and features of the current SLRs because 1V has 45 point AF and can do 10FPS what the hell mr 5D2 or even 5D3 for that matter! I would trade the 5D3's 61 point AF and 6fps for the 1V's 45 point and 10fps, how cool would that be? Or is it more like how long did it take to get where the 1V is vs how long will it take for digital to catch up? I guess its only been 7 years since the 5Dc was announced I suppose its time to look up how long canon had been making auto-focus film cameras!

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Macro Photography - DLA vs. pixel density considerations for camera upgrade

Hi all,

I recently had the opportunity to try out the 5D3 at Canon's "Photography in the Parks" (Yosemite) and I must say that I really like this camera so much that I'm trying to find a place for it on my Christmas shopping list. While I do shoot different things ranging from landscapes to street photography it looks like macro photography is what I am most passionate about. I currently have a digital rebel XT (8MP) which I use for wildlife and Macro as well as an AE-1 (35mm) which I use for landscape, street and portrait photography.

so here is my question: Since I like to shoot insects up close as possible to MFD and on my rebel XT I noticed that the sharpest images are at F/8 - F/11, would the 5D3 give me better detail resolution than say the 7D or whatever they replace it with? Assuming that I will be shooting at F/11-F/16 which is sometimes required to get as much of the insect inf focus.

I've been reading a few articles regarding DLA and I'm wondering how much of an effect does it have on image quality vs the pixel density of the APS-C camera. apparently the 5D3 has similar pixel density to my current DSLR and DLA of 10.4 where the 7D has a DLA of 6.9

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Considering the 70-200 f4 is for my next lens

Hey I have a dilemma. I have a 5d3 with the following
24-105
50 1.4
Various speedlites

I take Candids of the kids but I find myself wanting more reach. I rented the 70-200 f4 is and it was pretty nice. I currently can get it for $1100 from a reputable dealer but unsure if that's a good price or if I should hold out to see what else is offered by canon for the fourth quarter. I also want the 24-70 ii but would have to pay of the 70-200 first if I get it. So add focal range or a stop of light with the 24-70 ii or just wait. Any suggestions?

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Opinions on the older Canon 300mm F2.8 non-is with Canon 7d

I was following the forum titled” Canon super tele choices!!!” started by zrz2005101. There was really good information there, but I have a slight variation from that post.

I am seriously interested in purchasing a Canon 300mm F2.8 non-is from KEH. A couple of reason that I am considering this particular:
1. I will be using the lens primary for college football and some other outdoor college sports at a smaller college. Since I might also have the opportunity later down the road to also do night time high school sports, is another reason for using the 300mm F2.8.
2. I currently have a 60D and a 7D as my primary camera and a Canon 70-200mm F2.8.
3. The approx. $2600 price tag fits my budget. Keep in mind that the budget is one of the key factors here for me. Being able to charge approx $2600 for a 10+year lens still has me wondering.
4. I am not interested in IS because of the shutter speeds I currently shoot at (and budget).

So my questions are to those that are may have actually used this combination with the older 300mm F2.8 non-is with either a 7D or 60D.
1. Knowing that IQ in the newer IS and IS-II are greater, what is your opinion of the IQ of the older 300mm 2.8 on a 7D and current canon bodies?

2. How about AF speed. Knowing that the focus speed on the newer ones is superior, what is your opinion on how the AF speeds for the older 300mm on a 7D, particularly for college level football?

3. One concern is the lack of part available. I might have to live with that based on my budget. Are there any other concerns with functionality or picture quality that might be known (that I haven’t seen on Google) that should sway me away from this lens?

4. I have seen a few comparisons of the Sigma 120-300mm F2.8 OS, but all are against the IS-i or the IS-ii. Does anyone think the newer sigma is superior in AF speed and IQ to the older 300mm F2.8 non-IS?

With all due respect to those that might suggest to get the IS or IS-II, I know I should, but I am working with a budget here and would like opinions on the non-is. Thanks in advanced

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Lenses for crop AND full-frame bodies (starting up my photography business)

With the intention of starting up my own photography business I'm slowly upgrading my gear with that in mind and am having a hard time deciding on lenses.

The initial plan was to upgrade straight from my Rebel XT to a 5D3, but at the time it wasn't yet available and I ruled out the 5D2 because of the AF issue/old technology and knowing that something better was coming along "soon". So in the meantime I decided an intermediate solution would be to upgrade to a second hand "prosumer" SLR, just to get the hang of a camera with "pro" controls and features as well as better IQ. I ended up with a 50D with a battery grip. My current lens lineup is:

  • Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5 DC -not very happy with neither the IQ nor build.
  • Canon 70-200 f/4L -I love this lens. Build quality and IQ is excellent IMHO but with 1.6x crop the reach is a bit much for general use, so it doesn't get much use unfortunately.
  • Canon 35 f/2 -I got this in order to replace much of the Sigma 17-70 use, better light-sensitivity and in order to start out with primes. It's OK but not great -noisy focusing, cheap build and feel nor does the IQ blow me away (perhaps I expected a bit more than what could be delivered for the price).

I'll be shooting a little bit of everything: portraits, products/advertising, school/kindergarten group shots, events, real estate etc. and when I get more experienced perhaps weddings.
The 70-200 feels like a keeper, especially when I go FF even though most pros seem to go for the f/2.8 version.
For "general use" I had my eyes set on the Canon 24-70 f/2.8L but have been waiting for much the same reason as the body: knowing that a mark II was about to be released. Now that it has been announced along with the hefty pricetag I'm considering other options:

  • Canon 24-105 f/4L IS -seems solid and well built, has a good feel to it and although online reviews differ a lot it seems like a great contender. The IS should be very useful for still-standing subjects in less than perfect lighting.
  • Canon 24-70 f/2.8L II -I haven't ruled it out though it'd better be twice as good as the first version for that price!
  • Canon 24-70 f/2.8L (first version) -thousands of pros can't all be wrong when using it. When the version II gets released I assume its price will drop drastically, but I'm a little hesitant as I read a lot of people find it a "mediocre" lens despite the "L" designation
  • Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS -not an "L" lens, but possibly an intermediate lens until I go FF. Lots of reviews/reader comments say it's essentially a lens with "L-quality" but with a consumer build
  • A combination of a zoom and one or two primes

I've ruled out the Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC because I've gotten the taste of L lenses and rather want to invest in "keepers" rather than "probably just as good". I understand lots of people will disagree with this view.

My conclusion (if you've read this far ;) ):
I think my money might be best spent if investing in a good zoom for allround/general use and a couple of fast primes. I'm aiming for lots of Speedlite/studio strobe rather than "I don't care for (I don't know how to use) flash", so I probably don't need superfast lenses for everything. I wasn't entirely blown away with the low-light capabilities of shooting at f/2 with my 35mm, but again I was probably expecting it to perform miracles. Even with an f/1.2 or f/1.4 of some sort I assume I'll have to crank up the ISO and/or in combination with a flash.

But which lenses would be good for both crop and FF use? Even when I get the 5D3 (an "entry level FF" (whatever that means) is also rumored, perhaps worth looking into) the 50D will probably be a nice backup body. Still, I'll be losing out on wide-angle with most of those FF-designed lenses but could buy a second hand Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 and sell it when I get the FF, hopefully without any/much loss.
Or... should I go an entirely different route and buy second hand EF-S lenses just for the 50D now, then buy separate L lenses for the FF when I get it?
Sorry for the long post :o

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50L vs TS-E 45

I've been tossing around the idea of either trading my 50 1.4 for a 50L or instead add a TS-E45 (to be used with my 5DII). I know, very different lenses, different applications. But I think both could work for me. My main interest with these would be control over sharpness/unsharp areas for things or people that are not necessarily too far away. Shooting wide open for the most part would be the objective here (where I see a potential improvement over my 50 1.4 in addition to build quality).

The straightforward thing to do is obviously to go 50L and be happy. But then again, I recently had the joy to play around with one of the old FD tilt shift lenses. I really liked that thing and the results (35mm on a APS-C sensor).

My favorite focal lengths are probably 50 and 135. I have no real longing for the 35L at this point and the 85L is too expensive.

Any thoughts or experiences? How well would the TS double as a macro-like lens?

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Tonika 16-28 vs Canon 17-40 or Carl Zeiss 21mm f2.8 for canon 5d3

Hi all,

First time poster here on Canon Rumors (been a canon fan for years and I can't believe I have only just come across this site) anyways....I'm in the market for a super wide lens which will bring me brilliant sharpness, contrast and coloured images. I'm looking for a super wide lens (i've got a 35L as my wide lens).

I've been sniffing around and have come across these lenses.

The Tonika 16-28mm -- can get for 650 Pounds

Pro's
Fast 2.8
Decent IQ - the same as the 16-35mmL but not as good as Nikons version unfortunately

Con's
Can be a bit soft in the corners at lower apertures

The canon 17-40L -- can get for 500 pounds

Pro's
Decent enough IQ - obviously not as good as the Nikkor 16-35mm

Con's
Slow f4 aperture (But doesnt really matter for a super wide since you want everything in focus)

Carl Zeiss 21mm f2.8 -- can get for 1140 pounds

Pro's
Super sharp image, edge to edge even at f2.8
Brilliant colours, contrast and saturation.
Built like a tank

Con's
THE PRICE!!!!

If you are in my position, owning a 5D3 and looking for a special lens that will never disapoint, and will deliver the sharpest results out of all your lenses. Would you flag considering the Canon and Tonkina and go straight for the Carl Zeiss....Or is the difference between the lenses not worth the extra money??

Suggestions will be hugely appreciated.

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