I am very suspicious about the analysis on the FM site. The DR at high iso with efficient modern sensors, which are of very similar efficiency, is limited mainly by the photon flux and at any given high iso is nearly the same for all the leading makes and for their different models for the same size sensor. And FF are about an ev higher than APS-C. The FM analysis has nearly an ev increase of the 90D over the 80D, putting it close to that of the 5DIV and 1DXII and leaping ahead of Nikon and Sony APS-Cs by more than you thinks the physics would allowSpeaking of DR.. it seems there's some goodness to that 32.5MP sensor.
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Preliminary Dynamic Range numbers for the 32.5MP sensor - UPDATED
Over in FredMiranda's forums, cgarcia has done the analysis on an ISO 100 RAW from the 90D and come up with preliminary dynamic range numbers. There should be enough RAW's out there in the wild to see photonstophotos also come up with their DR analysis soon I would imagine. From FredMiranda...www.canonnews.com
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Bill Claff comes up with.
Maybe they have worked out a way of including the dual pixel data in such a way as to not lose it to the highlights, that alone would add nearly one full stop of DR.I am very suspicious about the analysis on the FM site. The DR at high iso with efficient modern sensors, which are of very similar efficiency, is limited mainly by the photon flux and at any given high iso is nearly the same for all the leading makes and for their different models for the same size sensor. And FF are about an ev higher than APS-C. The FM analysis has nearly an ev increase of the 90D over the 80D, putting it close to that of the 5DIV and 1DXII and leaping ahead of Nikon and Sony APS-Cs by more than you thinks the physics would allow
It could be a mix-up with the video stabilization.....When I first looked at 90D specifications in Canon India website, I couldn't believe Canon has provided IBIS for 90D.
After looking at US site and 90D manual and no mention of IBIS anywhere else, seems to be just incorrect information on Indian website.
If you have a full well size of about 32000 electrons and perfect A/D, you could get 15 stops of DR, so that is the upper limit. Of course we have read noise and imperfect conversions..... perhaps with a new on chip conversion and combining the dual pixels they MIGHT make it to 12, but I would not believe anything past that.Maybe they have worked out a way of including the dual pixel data in such a way as to not lose it to the highlights, that alone would add nearly one full stop of DR.
I am very suspicious about the analysis on the FM site. The DR at high iso with efficient modern sensors is limited by the photon flux and at any given high iso is nearly the same for all the leading makes and for their different models for the same size sensor. And FF are about an ev higher than APS-C. The FM analysis has nearly an ev increase of the 90D over the 80D, putting it close to that of the 5DIV and 1DXII and leaping ahead of Nikon and Sony APS-Cs by more than you thinks the physics would allow
Somewhat ironically, that also makes the sensors decidedly non-ISO invariant at low ISOs. Apparently that's not in vogue anymore.
Aren't you forgetting statistics here? If the level 1 of the DR is 1 electron in average during the exposure (0 being pure black), the variance of that is also 1 electron (assuming Poisson distribution). So the 1 electron will be covered with two stops of photon shot noise. Even with 4 electrons you have about one stop of shot noise. So, yes, maybe 12 stops could be achievable.If you have a full well size of about 32000 electrons and perfect A/D, you could get 15 stops of DR, so that is the upper limit. Of course we have read noise and imperfect conversions..... perhaps with a new on chip conversion and combining the dual pixels they MIGHT make it to 12, but I would not believe anything past that.